Today is the second day of Ugadi Seva, and it’s also the World’s Women’s Day. So we just think of the women who have been the backbone of the society ever since the mankind began.
India has a deep culture where we have always respected women. There haven’t been any discrimination. If you look at the history, whether it is Ganga Mata or Anasuya Mata, or any of the great mothers whom we respect, we have always had the strength of womanhood in the society which established or which helped establishing dharma in the society. The key aspect of being a woman is being a mother. The most powerful expression of a woman is being a mother. And that is the main aspect. So I say empower men as a joke. Because there is no need for any empowerment for women because a woman is a mother by nature. So there is no need for empowering women from the outside. Probably men need empowerment to be stable.
But we have always respected women as equal partners in the society, where they could make decisions, they could lead men and because of them, there were fewer wars at one time. No woman will say go and kill somebody.
If you look at the mother aspect, the shakti aspect of creation, shakti aspect is both mother and a protector. Why does goddess have a lot of weapons, etc.? These are all symbolic to kama, krodha, lobha, moha, mada and matsarya (Arishadvarga i.e. the six passions, negative characteristics which prevent a human from attaining moksha or salvation) aspects of human existence, and mother helps to prevents these aspects. This is important to understand. Because when we worship mother, we worship stability, motherhood, and also dharma without contamination. Mother will never say go and kill somebody. It’s all men’s world. Men’s world created wars, not the women’s world.
Today being a World’s Women’s Day, it’s probably good to think what is missing. What we have lacked all these years. It’s discrimination created by the men’s world. And that is only for the sake of power, position. Not for the sake of love.
When I say the strongest expression of a woman is motherhood, no woman will ever want any kind of violence in the society. Anywhere. If a woman is leading, it’s unlikely that there will be any violence in the society.
I believe that the key message today is empowering the world to understand that womanhood is very precious, very pious and very remarkable and because of womanhood we have a generation coming forth, generations happen.
Also, the shakti aspect which we respect, or which we worship, the shakti of the whole creation, maha shakti, kundalini shakti, mother, is a basis of creation. If you take shakti away, then there is only tamas, there is nothing. So shakti aspect is the fundamental aspect of creation and that is why we have various dimensions of deities representing them. This is empowerment by nature. By nature it is empowerment because there is no need for external empowerment. For a woman to be empowered, it has to be from the inside. And stability is the sign of empowerment. If a person is stable whatever happens in the society, that means empowered. If you have a skill, the skill can go only until your graveyard, until you die. But empowerment which is from within stays forever. It also leaves a mark in the society.
I wish all the women today the very best and please understand you are already empowered. There is no need for external empowerment. All you have to do is to recognise it because as I said, motherhood is the most powerful expression of a woman and nobody can snatch it away from you. Nobody can take it away. You are already empowered creating the next generation.
I always used to say, ”What is the best way to bring up a child? Tell them stories of the powerful people who never swayed with emotions. Just bring them the idea or understanding about people who have been stable in life, not about people who made a lot of money and died. History is full of those kind of stories, i.e. conquering, capturing, killing and destroying. That is not a kind of thing which children need to know. What the children need to know isstability, stable life. The right person to express that is a mother. Only a mother can influence the thought process of a child right from the childhood because the child is closest to the mother. And the mother has the connection with a child much more than the society because the child was inside the mother for 9 months. Connection of a child with the mother is always 9 months older than the connection outside. This is important to understand. So the stories, vibrations, frequencies that you convey to the children will definitely help build the society.
This is a message for today to all the already empowered women.
My salutations. Thank you.
(Saturday, Dnevnik Magazin, issue 26th Nov-2nd Dec 2017)
What does it mean to be a spiritual teacher? How does one become one, and what responsibility does it include?
The spiritual teacher itself is a concept. I would say you don’t need to teach a fish how to swim. Like that, you don’t need to teach anybody to be spiritual, because you are spiritual by birth. When I say you are spiritual by birth, every being, forget about human – every being has a physical – body aspect, mind – mental aspect i.e. emotions, the intellectual aspect which is knowledge, intellect, intelligence and ego aspect – personality. The personality is connected to ego. These are the four major aspects of every being. Even if it’s a dog or a cat, it’s the same. What makes all these active is the spirit that means the soul. When the soul leaves the body, everything goes down, everything is collapsed. So, being aware of the soul is spiritual. When you are aware that it’s a soul which is making your body function, your mind function, your intelligence function, that the energy behind ego is soul, that everything is connected to spirit or soul, then you realize you are spiritual. That realization is the only realization you need. This is beyond religion, you can be Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, no problem, you are spiritual. You cannot be non-spiritual. But some people are not aware, some people are aware. When a person is clearly aware, he is called a spiritual master. When a person is fully aware that there is no physical, no emotional, no intellectual, no ego, but only th soul which is making all this function, and when the soul leaves, everything goes away, when you have that awareness, you are called a master. So everybody is a master in some level. I do not call myself a spiritual teacher or a master because everybody is a spiritual master or teacher in their own way. I think my existence is the teaching, my living certain principles is the message to the world, not that what I teach. Nobody can teach anybody about soul, you have to experience it and everybody experiences soul in their own way. I cannot say – this is the way to experience soul, nor can I say – this is right, this is wrong. You experience all in your own way. A cow experiences soul in a particular way, a dog, every being experiences soul in a particular way, in different ways. I think if I say I’m a spiritual teacher, it is my audacity; I should rather say that if somebody is benefitted because of what I speak, I’m happy and grateful because there is a saying: if you have seen light, show one person that light and your job is over. So if I have seen light, and if somebody sees light through me, I’m happy. I’m grateful.
Q: Thank you. Why have we been taught we thrive through suffering and not through joy? You have had some experience. Why is it so?
A: Yes, well, it is said there is a difference here. One is that there are millions of things outside us, literally billions of materials, people, places, time, things outside us and the purpose of our incarnation is experience, so we are supposed to experience all these things in whichever way we can connect. To experience them, we have been given five senses – eyes, nose, ears, mouth, skin; and to experience through these five senses – one mind. That one mind can only experience one thing at a time. Even though we talk about multitasking, multitasking borders on absentmindedness. I’m talking about full-mindedness, full concentration, full being. We can experience only one thing – either happiness or sorrow. This is our life – billions of things, five senses, one mind, one experience at a time which can be classified as happiness or sorrow. Everybody’s existence is like that, at every point in time. So where does the suffering come? When we’re experiencing sorrow, if we resist, it becomes suffering. We do not resist happiness. When we’re happy, we don’t resist, so it’s okay. But when we have sorrows, we resist. It becomes suffering. And when it becomes suffering, the problem is it goes longer. The period becomes extended. Then it’s prolonged suffering and the cause is resistance. You’re pushing it away. So, in my life, I believe (which, when I look back, I completely understand), all these things which have been taken away from me, all the things which I was very close to, or deeply connected to, which I thought were very precious, have been removed. If they were not removed, today I would not be sitting in front of you. I would be fully occupied with those things – myself, my family, my pleasure, my things. When it was all taken away, I became the world. So I believe the purpose was very clear at that time and the purpose is clear today because I’m talking to people and people are getting benefitted. And if I had a fully good life, a pleasant life, if I talked to somebody who has gone through pains, he would ask me: you have not experienced anything, how are you talking? Now nobody can say I have not experienced anything. I have experienced much more than most of the people, so I’m talking from personal point of view.
Now, if you look at the story of Lord Ram, he’s supposed to be an avatar. Just a few hours before he was made the king, or crowned as the prince, he was sent to forest. Political turmoil happened, he was sent to forest for fourteen years, with his newly married wife, bride. They were all in the forest. An avatar went through this process and then his wife was kidnapped and he went through the whole journey to find her. And he found her – a big battle, he won the battle, rescued the wife and brought her home, etc. A life full of struggles. Why was an avatar created that way? If he has not gone through pains, he cannot talk. People will not accept him, they do not feel connected.
For example, Jesus was very powerful, unbelievably powerful. He could have easily changed the destiny. He could have avoided the cross. If Jesus had been afraid of the cross, there would be no Christianity today.
So if you look at the past, everybody who has spoken to people, has spoken from the platform of pains. It’s not necessary, I’m not saying it is necessary, but pains are all part of life, and they all say – don’t be afraid of pains, don’t resist them; let them come, let them go. Like pleasure is coming and going, suffering and pain is coming and going. When you push the pain away, it becomes suffering. So suffering is our choice.
Q: There are many people for whom it is difficult to discover their purpose, mission, goal, path. Can someone like you teach them and help them?
A: You know, we all have taken birth with only one purpose – experience. Another purpose, if you can say, is expression. Because we are not higher than anybody, lower than anybody, equal to anybody. We are unique. As a creation, we are complete and unique. There’s nobody like us. So we are expressing this uniqueness into this world. Like, you are expressing your uniqueness, I cannot do that. Only you can. Like that, if everybody, 7.5 billion people understand the uniqueness, and share what they have, there would be world peace. You wouldn’t need anybody to talk about peace, there would be peace. So why then is there a conflict and struggle? Because we do not recognize that we are unique. We think we are incomplete. It’s a mind thing, mind is creating that effect. We are complete. We are full. We are unique. And this is exactly what we need to express into the world. So, that is one job, one aspect.
Second, our life starts with the womb of the mother. Our longest relationship in a lifetime is with mother, because before people started seeing you, you have connected to your mother, nine months before. At least for these nine months, you have a deeper connection with your mother. So starting from the mother’s womb, your life starts; until your grave, it continues. And in each point in time, experiences are different and you may not have consciously chosen them. For example, we are sitting here and we are talking. This time last year we did not know we were going to talk, this is it. So time, space, situation, communication, experience of the communication, all this is destiny, predetermined, determined before, this is called destiny. At that point in time, experiencing that thing is a purpose of every existence. This is what we call purpose. Purpose of every incarnation is experience, and experience is laid out in time. What you experience today, you cannot experience tomorrow. Being in the present, fully conscious of the experience is the best way you can lead a beautiful life. It doesn’t matter whether it’s happiness or sorrow. When happiness happens, be happiness, when sorrow happens, be sorrow, so that both of them become complete. Life is not always happiness. Life is not always sorrow.
A: Because that’s how it is. Because our own operating platform works like this – happiness and sorrow. This is the way the world is created, everything is like that. Like we grow older, like when we were ten years old, it was a different feeling, experience, body, everything. When you became twenty, it became different, when you hit thirty, it’s different. So things are like that. It’s like a wave, happiness and sorrow. It continues and it has nothing to do with other people, it’s a personal experience. So the purpose of every experience, of every life is experiencing whatever you’re experiencing. That is why you took birth in Serbia, or I took birth in India. Or all these things are connected to that experience. You could not have had the experience you had in your life if you hadn’t taken birth here. That is why the play of destiny is very, very real. It’s unchangeable. So that’s the purpose of life.
Now, how can you make the higher purpose of life, make the purpose of life higher, better? Very simple, just ask one question, ”I am a citizen of Serbia, how can I call myself a citizen of Serbia and what have I done for or given to this country.?” It will be enough. Your purpose becomes higher. Don’t worry about the political situation, who’s the president, who’s the prime minister, it doesn’t matter. What, as an individual, have you given back to Serbia? Of course, everybody has taken from the country. We’re all taking lots of things from the country. That doesn’t make us great citizens. What you have given to the country makes you great citizens. So if you want to build up your purpose, build the purpose with the motherland. Make sure you contribute to the motherland, much more than you take from the motherland. Then, purpose is very high. And then, don’t look at other people. Is government appreciating, is media appreciating, other people, it doesn’t matter. Are you being real? See, it’s an individualistic thing. But if I am confident about my life on earth, I will not care about what others think, because I’m doing the good thing. If I’m doing bad things, then I should be careful. But if I’m serving the country in my own way, I’m contributing to the country in my own way. And how can you contribute to your country? It need not be money, it can be time, it can be knowledge, it can be love, it can be skill, it can be your experience converted into upliftment of the poor, in your own way. That makes your life purpose complete. And if you’re concentrating on that life purpose, I’m hundred percent sure there’ll be glory, there’ll be greatness.
Q: Some people feel they have some emptiness, that something is missing in their lives. How can they be given hope?
A: I’ll give you one example. You know, mind asks for completion. Something is not right. I want to be complete. So we fall in love, we have relationships, we have materials, new mobile phones, new refrigerator, new gadgets, this is all to fill up the vacuum of the mind. But have you ever thought about one situation, in the night, when you sleep, you keep all the gadgets away, and you are content in your sleep. So you don’t need anything to be happy. In deep sleep, you’re very happy. If you’re really sleepy, you don’t even need a bed. This is human nature. So waking state mind will always push you and say I want this, I want that. It also compares – oh, she’s not like me, or I’m not like that other person. This is all the mind’s game. So what you need to do is be aware. Mind is like that, mind will always talk about deficiency. Mind will say this is not right, oh if only I was born in America, things would be better. No guarantee. Every place is the same in the world and I don’t think any place is good or bad. It’s how we create it, how we are, that is how our experience will be. This emptiness is happening because we are craving for something, emptiness is coming out of lack of something which the mind is telling.
But at that time, the best medicine is awareness. Just one question, so what? When you say – oh, you are not like somebody else, you are not a millionaire – so what? Where is richness sitting? In my ability to share. A real person’s richness sits in his ability to share what they have. Like you have a piece of bread, you share half the bread with somebody. You’re rich. Not that kind of richness where you share nothing, they are glorified poor people. You know, many of the rich people are very poor people, poor inside. They are afraid of their own wealth, they’re afraid of losing things. You can see some people, there are some documentaries they’ve done, researches they’ve done with homeless people. Somebody gives them bread, and then somebody else dresses up as a poor person and says, ”I didn’t eat anything, can you share some bread with me?” They immediately share. That man has not eaten food, and he got one piece of bread, immediately he gives half of it. That is the heart of richness. Maybe he’s homeless, but the heart of richness. That is the remedy for the “vacuumness”. You look at the world and see what you can share. You will be very rich inside.
Q: How to deal with negativity?
A: Negativity is the reality. Like there is positive, there is negative, there is night, there is day. Negativity travels with positivity. I always tell people: don’t deal with negativity with negativity, your hands will become dirty. You should deal with negativity by increasing positivity. For example, somebody is talking bad, you constantly turn to good talk. If you feel somebody is not doing the right thing, you constantly do the right thing. Invest in positivity, more and more. For instance, look at this cup. Imagine there is some mud in the cup, and there is water. So mix water and mud together and you cannot drink. But you keep pouring the good water. After a while, all the mud will be washed away and the water will become pure. Pour more positivity into life. Good thoughts, good words, good actions, these are three levels. So consistently have good thoughts, for example, “What can I do for Serbia?”, “How can I improve the lives of people around me?” not expecting anything in return, that is very important. If you expect, then people sometimes criticize you. So don’t think about anything, just concentrate on the positive: thought, word, action. That will be a good counter for negativity. Negativity will get fed up of you because you are not interested (laughter). You know, imagine I’m abusing you, I’m calling you a monkey or a donkey, and you’re just sitting and looking at me. After a while, I’ll get bored with it (laughter). So this is the best way to handle negativity, increase positivity. Thoughts, words, action. Whenever someone tries to talk negative about someone, just say, “That’s not my cup of tea, I’m not interested”. When somebody says to me, ”You are not a good person,” why should I know this information? To me, I’m happy with you. I look at this in this way: everybody is good and everybody is bad. In today’s time, good and bad sits in the same person. I’m not perfect, so I can expect the other person to be perfect? I have my weaknesses, I have my strengths, everybody has them. So why do I highlight only the weaknesses? People love to highlight weaknesses. You say that, you have all this information, keep it with you, don’t tell anyone, this is very precious.
Q: So, this is like the story about good and bad wolf, do you know it?
A: Yes, yes. Absolutely.
Q: Nowadays, more than ever, there are many different spiritual practices, how do I choose the right thing?
A: That’s a very good question. Today, it’s an information explosion, too many things. I like to believe that every spiritual teacher, practice, religion is good, because they are helping somebody. Like churches, mosques, temples, synagogues, everything is good for somebody. But what suits you is what you can do without effort. Something is effortless for you, like the dress you wear. If I give you double the size of the dress, maybe this is a very good quality dress, but you can’t use it, because it doesn’t suit you. Likewise, I’m making excellent food, but it’s all made out of dog meat and cat meat and stuff. I say this is amazing food, but you will say? Thank you very much, you eat it, I don’t want it. So what suits you is the most important thing. Everything starts with you, and ends with you. All the spiritual teachers, and teachings are outside of you, just like buffet, but you pick up what suits you, and make sure you can digest it. If you eat something you cannot digest, it’s totally wasted. It’s not about what the mass follows, many people are following one, one master, one teaching. Maybe that’s not suitable for you. So you don’t have to follow the mass, you have to follow what suits you. There is a general thumb rule: what is suitable for you comes to you. Also, always make sure you try to practice it. If it’s not suitable, be bold enough to say it’s not my cup of tea. You don’t have to do it, it’s not your way to go. It’s not compulsory that you must practice to grow. It’s more important to connect to yourself and see – how is my heart beating? Who beats my heart? How is my respiration happening? Every hour my nostrils are changing, one hour this nostril, then the other one, who is making this change? Start exploring yourself like that and you will start understanding yourself much more. Then the information that is suitable comes to you. We do not even try to explore ourselves, we don’t spend time with ourselves. Instead, we spend time with a master, or a book, or a teaching. That is why they are not able to connect. The fundamental problem why you can’t connect to something outside isyou are not well connected inside. If you are not well connected inside, you cannot connect outside. This is the difference. I always tell people, “If you want to read one book, that book should be called you”. You are the only book you must read in this lifetime.
Explore like a child – hey look, my nose is shifting, who’s doing it? Likewise, the heart is beating, without a stop, and the hearting is resting, it’s beating and resting. Then, one kidney is resting, while the other is functioning. Who’s running all this show? And the secretion of body juices, e.g. when the food goes from mouth, at that time through the pipe, that secretion is different, each time it’s different, each organ is fun, how is it synchronised so well? Each organ functions properly. If this was upside down, everything goes waste, or nothing works. So that exploration is very important. You can start with the breath, then listen to the sounds inside you, then feel, connect to the spine. You will become so connected to yourself, that you will automatically become really powerful. Then you see the masters who suit you. I’m 100% sure the right master will come to you.
Q: If I’m only focusing on myself, am I selfish?
That is different. Selfishness is something from outside, you want only for yourself. When you look within to feel yourself, this is self-sufficiency. Big difference. Selfishness is when you want everything only for yourself. Place, people, material, food, time, all for yourself. But when you’re connected to yourself, and not really connected to the world outside – of course, you go to work, take a bath, eat food and all that – but at the same time, you are occupied inside, that is self-sufficiency. I believe if you are doing one practice in your life, practice being with you. Spend time with you. Alone. Feel. You don’t have to meditate, just explore yourself. Just be yourself. Appreciate yourself, accept yourself. It will give you amazing power.
Q: So many people use things like gadgets and such, that get us away from oursleves.
That is because it’s easy to connect something outside. It’s difficult to connect with yourself. See, you can appreciate another person, but can you appreciate yourself? Mostly, we can’t. We love another person, but how much we love ourselves? It’s easy to accept Mohanji, but that doesn’t matter. Are we accepting ourselves? That matters. You love Mohanji, okay, this is very good, but do you love yourself? If you don’t love yourself, even if you love Mohanji, you will not be complete.
Q: In Serbian language, “spirituality” and “humour” are very similar words. What is true spirituality? How does it connect with humour?
True spirituality is you being you. Completely being yourself. Then happiness happens. When you know that you are everything. In Sanskrit, there is one saying, the ultimate message: TAT TVAM ASI. It means: YOU ARE THAT. Whatever you are looking for outside is within. They give a comparison of a musk deer. I think the deer’s musk is somewhere near the groin or navel. So the deer feels this nice smell and it’s searching where it’s coming from. It does not know it’s coming from itself. Human beings are like that. We forget that everything is within us. We are complete by creation, we are complete by destination. We are that. This is true spirituality. True spirituality is recognizing yourself. You being you.
Humour means, when you look at this then you start laughing at this whole world, because this is a joke. People try to conquer, make things, big buildings… and they die. At the end of the day, there’s nothing. You came with hands open, you will leave with hands open. Whatever we did, finished. So I look at life as a joke. People say, ”My religion is better than your religion,” I say ,”Be whatever religion, it doesn’t matter,” (laughter) when we die, we all end up in one place anyway. Like that, everything is momentary. Just be happy and love unconditionally. I should love you not because you are somebody, not because you have something in your pocket, I should love you as I love myself. When I look at you, I cannot see another person, it’s me in another body, experiencing different things. Simple.
Q: What should we do to make this world a better place?
Two things. We must share what we have. Time, money, knowledge, material things, love. You can share. You must share. You should share what you have in abundance, not what you don’t have, of course. Number two, we should look at every being on earth as equal. It can be an ant, an elephant, a whale, a human being… All the species should have the same right. Same existence so that there is no energy conflict. We will all look at all the beings in the same order. That is how creation has maintained the species on Earth, the wild and the civilised, etc. everything is connected and interconnected but we have separated ourselves from the nature. We do not know nature, we have disconnected from it. That is why we fall sick, because we are in a stale atmosphere, that is why we have this problem. World peace is definitely possible, only if we enhance the goodness factor with two things. Be good. Do good. That’s it. Don’t worry about spirituality and meditations and all this, just be good. Be good first to yourself. This means accept yourself. Be good to the world and do good. Do good means do something that makes people happy. Share things, this is it. That’s the way we can have more peace.
Q: Would you like to tell us as a Serbian son-in- law, how do you see Serbia now and in the future?
In fact, I really like Serbia, not because my wife is Serbian, but whoever I met, I never felt any separation. I felt I’m loved and respected. It’s a very good feeling to be here. One thing I have experienced here from the spiritual point of view is that lots of people are interested in true spirituality, which means, inner exploration. Not books or things outside, but exploring yourself inside, spending time with yourself, recognising and accepting yourself. Many people are interested. That is a very good sign. If you are exploring inside, society will be better because when you see yourself in everybody you will have no conflict with the world. You will love, and you can only love, because it’s all you. So I believe I am contributing to the society. Since the time I first came here, in 2009 or 2010, till now, if a few people have transformed into positivity, I am very happy. I always make it a point, that wherever I go, I add value to the society. I don’t take anything from the society. I add value so that the world will be a better place. The secret is this: if more people are happy in the society, society is peaceful. Then if society is peaceful, the country is peaceful. If countries are peaceful, world is peaceful. So I always believe that whatever I can deliver, I would like to deliver. Even if there is only one person receptive, I give them. And I don’t preach religion. Religion is an individual choice. I respect all religions, and all paths, because it’s suitable for somebody. I never say, something is right, something is wrong. Only an insecure person will blame another person, or say something is right, and something is wrong, say some religions are good and some are bad. I don’t have that problem, I’m not insecure. I would like to make that stability in the hearts of people, which I am seeing happening. That way I like to believe that I am contributing to this country so these visits aren’t wasted and if I see that reflected in the society, I’m very happy. Today, or tomorrow, whether I’m alive, I don’t know. But today when I’m talking I am adding value. This is what I feel. I feel good to be here. I don’t come here as often as I should, because there are so many countries and activities, but I make it a point to come here at least once in three months or once in six months.
Transcribed by Tijana Sladoje and Monika Dizdarevic
Q: Mohanji voluntary clubs exist in 15 countries. How much has their work contributed to You becoming becoming a global phenomenon?
A: I have never measured how much my work has travelled, in various places based on my teachings organisations have mushroomed and I would like to believe that it is giving benefit to the local people of those countries. Whatever has any master ever said in the world the understanding levels have always been different. I would like to believe that I have made my teachings in a baby foot format so that everybody understands without distortion, this is what I feel. I sit and clarify points time and again so that people remain with the right understanding, I put a lot of effort in that. Nevertheless all these places, in the 16-17 countries, I’ve never counted. It’s growing, it’s grown by itself and people are benefited. They are practising meditations practising various things like Kriya, healing, Conscious walking, all these things which are all helping somebody in this world. This is the only thing which I look at – are all this activities beneficial? If they are beneficial, I’m happy. If they are not beneficial I tell people not to do them, because whatever you do without any reason, or without any conclusion, or without any purpose is a burden. So I tell people don’t do it. It’s growing and I’m happy to see it growing, I’m not putting any special effort or doing anything specific to make anything grow. Our people have taken it on themselves – the people who love me, the people who feel connected to me, they are putting in the effort to spread the word – and that’s how it’s growing. So on the whole credit I would like to give to the people who are deeply connected to me, they have been inspired and they are spreading the inspiration. It’s the effort of all the people who are selflessly working for this mission without my asking for it. These are the real heroes of this mission.
Q: Before the retreat at Bor Lake you will be staying in Switzerland, then Slovenia, Macedonia and India. Do you like travelling? What do you like to see in most new places?
A: I do not fancy travelling, or I do not foresee travelling. What I do is that when people call or when people say that they would like to be with me or want to see me I do not deny it. From July 2012 onward I have not stayed in one place for more than 10 days. It’s a bit tedious that way, so I can’t say that I’m enjoying all these travels but I travel, if I have to. For the sake of people who call me with love. See, there is one thing which nobody can deny, the effect of love. When somebody calls you with love, nobody can deny it. All of our programs in the world are more or less free, except the retreats in which we have to pay for the resorts and the pilgrimages, where we have to pay for the facilities and the travel. Apart from that all of our programs in the world, all my public Satsangs are free. So it’s not that I would like to go and do it, but when people are getting benefited and they call, I go because this is exactly what I am here for. Otherwise there is no purpose for my existence. The relevance of Mohanji today is the positive changes that he’s making in people’s lives. This is the real purpose of my existence. In order to have that happening, if I have to travel, I travel. It’s not that I foresee a lot of travelling in the future, I don’t. I also believe that I will probably be sitting in one place and people, if interested, will be coming to see me there and we will be talking every evening in a systematic way. All these things are in the mind but until then, if I have to travel, I will travel but that’s not something I’m looking forward to. I love all these places and the people, the main thing about the places are the people sitting there. Their love attracts me to those places, otherwise the whole world is the same. I love the beauty of various countries, the beauty of locations, I love them – it really enchants me. This is all fine but at the end of the day it’s the love of the people that brings me to those places, which I respect. I respect anybody who loves me unconditionally because I feel that this is the highest wealth I have ever earned in this life. The love of the people. Even if somebody hates me I sometimes feel sad, why do you have to hate me? Because I have only love to give… This is the way it goes, all the places I have visited I visited because of the loving people of those places. I think it’ll continue for as long as it takes but I have not kept any agenda.
Q: When do You consider your mission with individuals, with your spiritual disciples, complete? What do you like to read or hear from them? What makes you happy?
A: There is no beginning nor end to the spiritual mission as long as the individuals have spirit. That means as long as they have a soul, there is room for spirituality. Your awareness of your soul is spirituality. The more awareness happens about the soul which is running the show, the more spiritual you are. If you develop awareness more and more about your soul, you are spiritual. As long as there are human beings there will be spirituality and it has nothing to do with religions, nor gurus, nor masters, nor books. This is something internal. The more people are connecting to their inside, to the subtleties, the subtle aspect which is the soul, the more spirituality there will be. My contribution, as I said earlier, is based on time and space. If there are people who like to listen to me, I will talk. If there is nobody to listen to me I won’t talk. I have not kept any agenda about this. I am happy when people come to me. I’m not sad when people don’t come to me. Fortunately that has not happened so far but I do not keep any agenda, nor do I keep people bound to me. I never give fear to people, fear is opposite of liberation. So what I will do in the future, how long I will do in the future, I do not have a direct answer. I can only say – as long as it takes, and as long as the tradition of liberation wants me to speak, I will speak. A lot of masters have spoken in the past and a lot of people will speak in the future, while I am alive in the body I will speak. If I have spoken well, probably my teaching will travel beyond time. I don’t know whether it will travel beyond time, nor am I worried about that. Today I am talking and that’s about it, that’s all I can guarantee. Tomorrow what will happen, it’s up to the tradition. If tradition loves what I am doing it’ll keep it alive, if the tradition finds a better master or a better exponent of the tradition it’ll change me. So there is no big deal about it, it has no agenda, no expectation, no worries. We perform it to the best ability today – right now, tomorrow we don’t know. So we will do what we have to do today. It is not pertaining to what others think. Others can think anything they like, as long as our inner space is pure, whatever others think has no value because it is in their mind. Like if somebody hates somebody, the person who hates the other is more contaminated than the one who receives it. I do not abide anything apart from love. When people love me, I respond positively, if somebody hates me, I ignore them. What can I do? Because I don’t expect anybody to hate me and I don’t do anything particular for people to dislike me, but if somebody decides, or is prejudiced about me, I can’t help it. I don’t look at people, I look at what I can give at this point in time and every point in time, that’s all I can do. That’s all that I look at. There is no agenda, nor have I any kind of plan for the future. As the river flows I am flowing, I am the river and I am the flow.
Q: Is it possible to acquire teaching through your books and blogs? Is it possible to meditate in front of your photograph without previous initiation?
A: It is possible to get what I am speaking through publications, through blogs, through meditations and if you connect to the picture, the image also, it is possible. But having connected to me personally also helps because that’s where you’re connected to an energy directly. If you resonate with the energy, which is represented by me, you may want to continue connection – but otherwise numerous masters have spoken the same thing over time. Books are available methods are available, teachings are available but how much of those can you actually transform into your life? This is the question. Unless teaching is converted into wisdom and you’re experiencing that in life, the teaching remains in the book. You may have understood the point but if it is not getting reflected in your life it’s not yours. A teaching is a teaching, and every teaching is good and everything has relevance but if you’re not able to transform that into your daily life, you must work harder, do something different, do something else and insure that even if the quantity is small, that limited quantity enters your system, transforms you and is reflected in the society. So goodness, kindness, compassion, the major things the masters have been talking about, must become you, otherwise they’re only in the books. We can see so many quotes from so many masters getting viral through Facebook and other social media. How many of them are read, how many of them are understood? How many of them are digested? These are all entertaining the mind thing. Mind is entertained by this information and sometimes the mind understands this information. It stays in the mind, it doesn’t stay with the life unless something happens in life, which is transformational and unless there is a visible transformation which the society can understand, nothing has happened in life. All these books, the series, the teachings, everything is wasted if it is not transforming you. I would always say: if you are walking the path of spirituality look for transformation, not for activity. Activity will come and go, but transformation makes you and takes you further.
Q: You have been a Serbian son-in-law for seven years already. What do you find the strangest and most beautiful in Serbia? Do you know any Serbian words?
A: Well, I like to believe that I belong to the world. Even though I have been married to a person who’s Serbian, I do not think I am of one place. Because boundaries don’t suit me, I am beyond the frame. I know a few Serbian words and I love the people because actually when I come to Serbia I feel like coming home, I like the people. There’s a lot of similarity between the culture, where the Serbian open-mindedness attracts me a lot. A lot of people are very open-minded, open to information, there are a lot of serious practitioners and so there are so many things which I like in Serbia as well as in Macedonia and other places. I have not seen people, especially those who are connected to me, seriously for all these years. I mean the continuity is very important. There are people who have come and gone due to various reasons and those who have stayed due to various reasons. Having said all that, when I see the continuity factor I also see the seriousness, I also see that they are determined. All those things are very attractive to me. As for Serbian words, I know some of the words. I don’t think I can actually communicate in Serbian. My daughter speaks it very well and I feel that that’s not important. I think people see my heart and my communication with the heart, or through the heart is really reaching people. A lot of people respond from their heart and it reaches me, so I like to believe that it’s more than a son-in-law. I think I am a son of Serbia in that mode. Because it is as much as my country as any other country is. When I go to a place I don’t feel like an alien anywhere. I have travelled quite a bit and I travel quite a bit and every place I go I feel I belong there because of the people there. It’s all because of the people. Any country is a country because of how we connect to the country, culture and people. One reason I find Serbia very natural is because my wife is Serbian, my daughter lives in Serbia. More than that because of the love I get from the multitude of people, I feel very connected. Also, there are no strangers. There are a few people that I have not met yet, but I don’t feel strangeness in any place that way, including Serbia. Overall, I belong to the place, so it’s difficult to say. I don’t like to be categorised as something because that’s very limiting for me. It’s like saying that you are the body. What about your consciousness, which is all around? Something limiting doesn’t suit me, I don’t like to be inside frames because frames are supposed to be broken. Then you become frameless, then you are everything. In the places I visit I see myself reflected through a lot of people. They’re all me and I love Serbia for that matter, I see a lot of myself in a lot of people. They love me like they love their closest relative, you know? There’s no barrier, there’s no boundary, that love is spontaneous and it’s a great feeling. So I really love the country, love the people.
Q: What is your view of love in marriage? Do you have any advice for those who are not happy with their marriage?
A: Love and marriage are both binding and both liberating. We’re talking about love as love between a man and a woman, love affair, or things like that. First, it is initial attraction, physical attraction, then it is emotional attraction. Then the moment intellect comes in, alienation starts and sometimes it happens that we will wonder why we are even together at all because the reasons for starting a relationships may not last for long until, or unless, a relationship is of a higher nature where both can walk together for a higher purpose. Otherwise it doesn’t not stay. If a marriage is out of compulsion, out of reason, it won’t last. I would say marriage which is the union of two people for a much higher purpose will always last. So the reason for marriage should be a higher purpose and the match should be frequency, because each one likes the frequency of the other – you feel nice in the other person’s connection or presence. That way it’s good. I have nothing against love or marriage, in fact I do not endorse love or marriage just as a norm. I like to say that you can fall in love with anybody, you can be with anybody, you can be anybody, this is all fine if it suits you. We are nobody to say something is right and something is wrong in that context, if you are not karmically bound to meet another person you won’t even meet them. What is the flavour of your relationship? It depends on what you wanted out of all this. It’s not something which other people can decide, likewise marriage. Marriage is a kind of combination, which is a connectivity or a route from the past, so marriage is to be respected as a bonding for a purpose. That’s what I feel otherwise you get married and then you don’t know what you’re doing and a lot of people are emotionally divorced. While in marriage, after a couple of years, you don’t feel a connection and then you want to stay away from the other person. I would say that this is all torture but if there’s a deep connectivity, you love the other and there are big things to do in life, it’s a good idea. You can have a trusted partner and you can walk together otherwise it’s a burden. So this is an individualistic thing, I normally don’t give my opinion on love, marriage, or divorce. This is not something which I, as an outsider, should decide. These are individualistic things, partners can decide whether to be in a relationship, inside a marriage, or divorced. What have we got to do with it? I think we should celebrate divorce more than we celebrate marriage so that we understand this thing in a better perspective.
Q: Do you have any practical advice to share with the readers of ONA (English = SHE) magazine?
A: Be good, do good. This is exactly what I would like to recommend to people more than spiritual practices. Being good and doing good cleanses you so much that it automatically leads you to a spiritual background, backbone. When I say be good that means be always kind, be always compassionate. Root yourself in love and make sure no negative emotion enters you like hatred, jealousy, anger, especially ego, all those kind of things. It should not enter you, let it be outside of you. That is being good, then doing good is the expression of it on a consistent basis. I think this is exactly what the world needs today. Be good, do good and the goodness factor should tell who you are, your highest statement in this life is your own life, how you live your life. If you’re showing vulnerability, you’re showing helplessness, you are showing ingratitude, or insecurity in this world the world will give it back to you the same way. So show greatness, kindness and inner richness by being good and doing good, that’ll come back to you and you will be respected and honoured by the society, by the world. This is my message for this group who are reading it and I thank you for this interview, I really appreciate you asking me these questions and I wish everybody who’s reading this: have a very beautiful and peaceful existence. Thank you, vidimo se! (Serbian= see you!)
Q: What was the key situation that made you realize you’re going to become a spiritual master? Who is a person you consider a spiritual teacher?
A: My basic path or the path which I am following is called Datta tradition. So, the Guru is Lord Dattatreya and we live as per his teachings.
The Guru led by Dattatreya has empowered lots of people and one of the major paths which Guru Dattatreya has created is the Nath tradition. Nath tradition has a structure. It’s derived out of the nature of Shiva, the stature of Shiva. The stature of Shiva in one word is TOTAL LIBERATION, a liberated existence. So, Nath tradition is rooted in liberated existence. This path happened to me. I used to visit Himalayas, I used to meet people, saints, people of knowledge… and the path came to me. I can’t say one person was my inspiration at that time. That was from 2000 onwards I have been visiting Himalayas. So, the first and foremost change or the shift or the question that happened to me, when my daughter Ammu passed away, was that I started asking the question “Why not me, why she? Why did she go before me?” She was only four and a half years old. I was thinking why this happened to her and that question developed into a kind of quest. The question became a quest. And that took me to Himalayas to find the answers. Later on, I realized the answers are sitting within me. That was also spontaneous awareness.
At that time I didn’t have a proper master to guide me. But later on when I was already known in the world as Mohanji, when I started talking, or started doing programs in the world, people started coming to me, that’s the time when I happened to meet Vittal Babaji. Vittal Babaji or Vittalananda Saraswati Maharaj was the Pontiff of Sripada Srivallabha Samsthanam at that time. This was in 2012. I met him first in December 19th, 2012. I did not know about him at that time, but when he met me at the first glance itself, he kind of exclaimed, he said, “Ah, precious diamond, come and sit next to me.” That was the beginning of a beautiful relationship until he left his body in July 2014. We had a relationship which lasted for almost two years or so but I did not meet him many times because I did not visit the Sri Vallabhapuram many times during that time. However, each time when we met the intensity was strong. So, I would consider him as a father figure in this tradition. (Watch Tribute to Vittal Babaji) Sripada Srivallabha is the first avatar of Lord Dattatreya, first incarnation. He used to live in Sri Vallabhapuram, Kuruvapuram, that area. So, that is reassurance or conformation of my tradition.
Then I met various saints and various people who kind of guided me or influenced on me. This was all later but in the beginning there was no particular master who initiated me into tradition. It also came to me that in Nath tradition the initiation is your decision to follow the path of LIBERATION, there is no other initiation. When I say LIBERATION it is a detachment during existence. That means you have everything but you are not bound by anything, nothing binds you. That is detachment in existence and the detachment while exiting, i.e. leaving, that means you have less baggage to carry. Baggage is desires. Desires create new lives. You have fewer desires to carry to another life. If you are exhausting all that you came for in this life and you do not carry anything forward for the next life, you are in the path of liberation. That is what we talk about. This is the stature of Shiva. Shiva represents a liberated existence. Based on Shiva’s stature, or Shiva’s method or Shiva’s constitution Lord Dattatreya created Nath tradition. And there are various famous Nath masters which we already know like Machindranath, Gorakhnath, Kanifnath… quite a lot of Nath gurus. So, we are aware of all these masters with extraordinary powers, with great detachment… and that’s our tradition, that’s the tradition which I follow. I do not explicitly tell about tradition because it doesn’t need a lot of explanation, because people who have eyes to see will see and follow the tradition by themselves, you don’t have to explain quite a bit. If you are leading a liberated existence your life is your highest message, and that message travels, it shows. The way you live, it shows. So, the people who have eyes to see and are resonating with your lifestyle will come. And that’s how it’s spread. I did not make any conscious decision to become something. I’ve just lived it. It became a message, a method. And that led to what it is today. All the places where people connected to me, they continue to connect to me and they come to me. Some people come in and then feel that they need more activity or that they do not resonate well with the path of Nath, they leave. So, it is up to the people to stay or to leave. We do not bind anybody because if you bind somebody, you are also bound. This is against the tradition of liberation.
I want to be alone
Q: Were there any signs during your childhood that Shiva was going to choose as one of many?
A: I do not know whether anybody chose me to be in this path. I do not want to make any hype about my childhood. Only one thing I remember, when I was in the first class, fifth or sixth year (I do not remember), when teacher asked me to write: “What would you like to be when you grow up?” I wrote: “I would like to be alone.” I do not have any conscious thought about that answer, it spontaneously happened to me. So, probably it’s a response from the subconscious. It actually surprised the teacher and he asked me: “Why did you write like this?” So, I said: “I don’t know. I mean, this is what suits me.” Everybody writes: a doctor, an engineer, a scientist, a pilot… quite lot of stuff, but I wrote, “I would like to be alone.” This was probably a sign of craving for liberation at that time but I do not want to hype this. I would like to tell honestly that I did not have any particular reason for writing like this. Probably it happened spontaneously from the subconscious.
I do not want to make any claims that Shiva chose me personally etc., because then it would all sound like propaganda. We do not want to make any propaganda. I am what I am, and if people accept me as I am, then we have something to do in the world. Otherwise, I am what I am, as any other people, any of this 7.5 billion people. If people accept me and they are benefited by my presence, it makes me happy. My relevance is what I can contribute to this world. That’s only relevance. So, I hope that I am able to do that. I do not like to or want to make any claims of any divine order interfering in my life, etc. If people see a divine order at this point in time of my life or if they see the hand of God in this point of life, I think this is the perception of the individual who’s watching, I feel so. I do not personally have any kind of divine communion which is telling me do this today, do this tomorrow, or those kinds of things. I think I’m being carried by the waves of the water, of the river. I flow.
My only feeling or what I normally do is that I make myself available. Making yourself available is the highest gift, a highest order of practice you can ever produce in a life time. Making yourself available for the people, for the society, for yourself, for the gurus, for the tradition, that’s all you can do. The rest is all done by or carried out by the tradition, tradition of liberation. So, your presence is your highest practice. Presence itself is the highest practice. There cannot be any other practice than presence. This is something which is very important to understand. It’s not that a divine being comes and chooses you, and then you transform and then you perform a certain deed, etc. So many miracles are happening, and that is also because we are allowing miracles to take place by not putting your mind in between. When you question everything and when you are analyzing everything, we lose subtleties also.
So, I don’t analyze many things, I accept. I accept myself as I am with all my weaknesses and strengths. I accept other people as they are with all their weaknesses and strengths. And I see myself in everybody, so we are the same with all weaknesses and strengths. This is possibly why people get connected to me. I don’t claim to be a perfect individual. I have a lot of weaknesses. Nobody is a perfect individual. There is no point in judging anybody, no point in criticizing anybody, no point in gossiping. Your inner space is kept clean. Divinity dwells in the inner space. Divinity will be there because the space is available. That is the highest practice you can ever do.
All People Are the Same
Q: What is your motivation to help people without asking anything in return?
A: My motivation is the purpose. You know, the motivation of Jesus to face the fire of rat of the established priests of his time was the purpose that he was standing for. He believed in it. He believed in Himself. He believed in the purpose. That belief itself is the motivational factor in anybody’s life, not only mine. A person who believes in helping people will find strength within themselves. They don’t anybody to give them strength. A person who has decided that he’ll dedicate his life for the world is empowered by himself from within. So, my motivation is from within. I do not look at anybody to motivate me, nor I get affected by criticism. Of course you feel sad when close people stab you from behind but again I always feel, “Ok, this is prerogative. They want to have an experience of stabbing me from behind, let them have it.” It doesn’t affect me so much. I mean it would affect me temporarily but not enough or it would not affect me so much that I stop working.
I look at the whole world as my arena, all people are the same. All being are the same. All species are the same. Everybody wants peace of mind, everybody wants to be happy. Every being in this world wants to be happy. So, as long as my purpose is clear I will function and there is no age restriction or a barrier, or a time barrier, or age barrier, or a situation barrier, or a concept barrier in this.
The conviction is that I will do things as long as I have breath for the world, for the benefit of the beings outside. How much will they be benefited I don’t know and I do not have to know. What I am delivering to the world as long as my inner purity intact it has to be pure stuff. If I am pure inside, I can only give purity. My practice and sadhana is to maintain that purity inside. So, I become like a spotless mirror. You know, the spotlessness, that itself is enough for the rest of the things.
So, the source of inspiration or motivation is inside me, and I maintain that in a particular way through inner practice of cleansing, like you wipe the floor of your house, the living room and you dust it away, you do vacuum cleaning… Like that, I leave all my stuff away as it happens. I do not carry burden of the past, nor have I anxiety of the future, I do not keep great agendas for myself. If I said I have a plan, I would like to include all the people who are following me in the plan, not that I’m making something for myself. I do not ask for a better food for me, or better clothing, better places for sleeping. This is not important. I must have a place where it’s peaceful and food which is non-violent, and the people who are coming to me should be served as I am served. So, I look at the whole structure of life as something which is universal for everybody. Whenever I’m making any plans, I always think, “What will my people do?” “My people” are the people who are connected to me with love. Those who connect to me with a lot of love and a lot of attachment to me, I take care of them. I have to look after them. So, it’s like a grand fatherhood or I can say friendship. See, God is considered not only as God, God has various aspects. Guru has various aspects, masters have various aspects. People connect to a master, God or a person of spiritual background, or a person of philanthropic background. A lot of people connect to me in various ways: as a father, a mother, a friend, sometimes even a lover… in various levels, it depends on the people and how they look at it.
If you are leading something, you have to consider everybody as a part of your family. I always tell people, “Your real relatives are who are with you at every point in time. They may change, don’t cry.” You know, it’s not where you started from. You may have started from a few people, but then you eventually gathered a lot more people. They are all your relatives. You have to consider them as your relatives. The equation of relationships might be different but you can’t deny anybody. You have to consider everybody. There will be different flavours, there will be different styles, there will be different expectations, but still they are all your relatives. At every point in time who’s with you, you have to look at them as your relatives. Those that are blood relations and other things are all secondary that way. So, this is my motivation. When I take care of a lot of people, I am responsible, I do what I can. This is exactly what motivates me and I do not judge anybody, I do not like to judge anybody. Everybody has their weaknesses and strengths, so do I, I also have the same. I look at everybody with all these things, so let us live peaceful life together and if it’s spread in the world, in the same manner, then we have a great world, the world full of peace and happiness. Spirituality is spontaneous then. This is my motivation.
I am a Mirror
Q: For which people in the world you are always available? Do you sometimes sneak out of ‘Mohanji’ organization to spend some time for yourself and those people?
A: I like to be alone, this is my nature because I am naturally introverted but I do not sneak out of anything because for me purpose is important, the activities are important, and I do not do anything for myself that way. It would be a lie if I said that I do not do anything, of course, I eat food, I sleep, I do so many things for myself J but, that’s not exactly like craving, I can even avoid food or avoid sleep or do so many things for the sake of other people. I am available for everybody. Technically speaking, I never deny any people but sometimes it becomes a bit too difficult because of time, space, location, climate, various factors which are not the same because I travel quite a bit, I am in different places, different times, different time zones. So, sometimes it’s difficult to maintain all these contacts and I am not so good at communication by email or I don’t really spend a lot of time talking through Facebook. So, that way, I probably am detaching a little bit from a common world.
But, as a matter of principle, I never make myself unavailable, I don’t do that. I am always available. Then it is not easy to give your phone number to the whole world and say, “Ok, you can call me at any time.” Then, I’ll only be sitting and attending calls. But, I do not have preferences this way. All those people who love me have me. This is the bottom line. It doesn’t matter the gender, the time, space, any place. When people love me, I love back. I’m like a mirror, what is given to me I spontaneously respond without thinking. There is no mind in it. There is no mind factor. Everybody who is connected to me, they are my relatives and I am available for all of them in whichever capacity it’s possible. Sometimes it’s difficult to be everything physically because physical body has limitations but, energetically I make sure I deliver in every capacity possible. So, I am available to everybody, I do not discriminate. I do not even discriminate between my followers and another guru’s followers, I don’t do that. I look at everybody as human beings. They are all existing in my time, as well and those who come to me, I feel they are sent to me by the tradition. I respect them. The highest you can give or at least the least you can give is respect. I do that.
Q: If you would have to choose just one spiritual phrase just to share with people who still haven’t found the way to You, which one would it be?
A: I would say one phrase which we all need to understand and follow is LIBERATION. You are by birth liberated, at death you are liberated. In between while we are having a thing called life or existence, we must always remember, “We are born alone and we will die alone.” So, be kindness, be compassion, be love and express liberation during existence. When I say “express liberation during your existence”, it only means , you can have anything in the world which is given to you without guilt, and also you can experience them without guilt. At the same time, remembering that they are temporary, nothing belongs to you forever. Whatever is given to you is given by destiny and destiny will take it away. Whatever time creates, time will erase. So, if you have clear awareness about the way the time operates, time even erases us at certain point in time. Whatever you see outside and inside, everything changes and keeps changing. This should be clearly understood and stick and stay with the understanding of liberation. When I say liberation, again I am telling you, be aware that everything is temporary: all your relationships, all your materials, all your wishes, all your desires… everything is temporary. If you are clear and you are aware of it, you will be feeling peaceful every moment. Otherwise, you will be controlled by the desires, controlled by various situations around you and then you will feel stuck. This is opposite of liberation.
So, if I chose one world, I would say LIBERATION. Contemplate on liberation, stay with liberation, understand liberation, occupy your mind with liberation and see what happens in life. You will have a beautiful life.
Satsang in Novi Sad, Serbia on 12th November 2017, part 2
Q: Could you please explain the changes on earth in December 2017 which started in 2012? M: If you ask a specific question, I think you know the answer. Period from 2012-2022 is a phase, a shift. I think most of you have already experienced it. The last five years have not be easy. What was happening was, various planets were opposing. I’m not an astrologer, I’m telling you this from the practical point of view. How would you feel if you walked in the river where water is flowing against you? You’re walking, but you aren’t moving. That was happening last five years and a little bit more, approximately six years. There was a huge planetary shift on October 26th in the positive. When I say positive or negative, it’s a relative term. I would say relatively positive or relatively negative. When I say positive, life is flowing. When I say negative, life is not flowing. So people have said two things, that a lot of positive movements will happen from December. What you will feel is like free breathing, things are better. When your life is moving forward from December onwards, you will feel that efforts are lesser. This is one side.
But technically speaking, from 2012-2022, there can be a lot of people recognising true spirituality from ritualistic spirituality or spiritual pursuit to true spirituality. This transition is possible. The time helps this transition. Some people have predicted natural calamities, earthquakes and those kind of things until 2022, which will be inconvenient for various people in various nations plus some people have predicted there must be some wars because then only recycling will be complete, but I opt for optimism. I don’t like to think in terms of negative and I don’t like fear. Fear does not exist in my dictionary. As I said earlier, true spirituality will be more visible and accessible.
Faith vs. doubts
What is true spirituality?
Combining Dharma, Artha, Kama, Moksha. The purushartha becomes complete. So people will be more connected to positive and express positivity, so that society will be better. Please understand that your enlightenment and your elevation is good for the society more than you. Of course you are happy, but society is much more happy when there are a lot of enlightened people.
When there’s positive, there’s equal negative in the world. It’s not possible to have only positive. So how do we counter the negative? Allow the negative to be negative, you increase your positive. Think positive, talk positive, act positive – three levels of creation which are thought, word and action. The negative exists, you cannot deny it. It will be there. But if you fight the negative with the negative, what will happen? Your hands will become dirty. If you fight the negative with more positive, what will happen? You will remain pure. You will remain pure and it’s your birthright. It’s your right to be pure. It’s your right to be powerful. So it’s important to know that we are only investing in positivity. Invest only in positivity. It’s not worth spending time on negative. Imagine you are walking the path of true spirituality which is becoming you 100%. How can negativity interfere in this? It’s your journey, your walk. Anybody?
Audience: It can’t.
M: Ideally, it shouldn’t. But what negativity does, you walk your path, no problem, but it puts a doubt in your mind. One drop of poison in the food. Doubt is one drop of poison in the food. What happens? You cannot eat the food any more. What is this doubt? “Are you sure you are progressing? Is this the right path? Is this the right guru? Is it the right time?“ Thoughts like this come and block your progress. “I am doing a lot of practices and nothing is happening.“ Then, “Thank you very much,“ leaving and you become negative. One drop of poison, doubt can make you negative. This is important to know. So, in the next months, time ahead, make sure that nobody can tilt you from the path. This is your individual journey. You are walking alone. You can’t compare yourself or your progress with anybody. You have to walk alone. But faith helps you. What destroys faith? Doubt. Doubt destroys faith. You must have a walking stick when you are going trekking and that stick is called faith. What is the fundamental faith? In yourself. You must have faith in yourself otherwise you can’t move. Then you should have faith in the path. Then you should have faith in the destination. You cannot have three or four destinations, then the journey would be confusing. One destination and that destination is called LIBERATION.
Until you feel me and my father are one, keep walking. Until you experience unity in consciousness with everything around you and everything beyond you, keep walking. It’s important to remember. So from December onwards you will see this happening. Use this time a) to establish acceptance, b) keep walking, c) no confusion, no doubts, no fears, nothing, have confidence and faith. I will reach. If you are connected to any spiritual master, even if your master is a donkey, no problem, but connect to something which will give you stability in your walk. And when you keep asking, “Do you think I am progressing?“ where is that question coming from? Mind. Sometimes you feel, “I am very close to enlightenment.“ How can you be close to enlightenment which is already in you? Where is that question coming from? Mind. So understand what the mind is projecting and understand what you are. You are complete by birth. We understood that earlier, right? Always remember who you have been in this life and what you can be. Think about your deep sleep state – “I can be happy without anything. I don’t need anything to be happy.“ This is a big relief, this is a big step towards freedom. So freedom is your birthright and is also your truth. When some people come to me, rarely, not often, they say, I found another guru, can I go? Do you know what I say? Please go, don’t miss this chance. Because where are you going? It’s a mind’s game. With such mindset even if they sat next to me I cannot give them anything. If there’s no receptivity, there’s no giving. When you know it is not guru who is giving you enlightenment, it is already sitting in you, a guru is just showing you the mirror, revealing it to you, that’s what the guru does. He reveals this thing to you because he has already reached there. It is you who is walking, it is not that the guru is walking for you. It’s as if a doctor told you to run every morning for one hour. You hire someone to run one hour daily. Is it good? You can’t run because you are lazy so you hire someone. You tell them,“Doctor told me to run. Please run. I cannot do it.“ (Laughter) It’s like that. Enlightenment cannot be delivered from outside. It is already in you, and what is happening in spiritual pursuit, it gets revealed at its time.
When I say no thought state is a state just before complete awareness. When there are no thoughts, do you think there is mind? When there is no trash, there is no need for a trash can. Please understand because this is your life I’m talking about and spirituality is not complicated, it’s not in what you do but what you are. We think “I’m doing meditation. I’m doing yoga, I’m standing upside down every day.“ It does not guarantee that you will become enlightened. Instead, removing your thoughts can make you enlightened. Some people say, “I have worked very hard, but nothing has come into my life.“ What is the secret of abundance? Inner richness. Most of us keep poverty inside instead of richness. That is exactly what manifests. When I say inner richness, it’s the ability to share what you have. I did not say share money. Whenever we say share something, it’s considered as money. Share what you have. If you have love to share, share love, if you have time to share, share time. If you have knowledge to share, share knowledge. If you have money to share, share money. What you have, share. So, everybody has something to share. Can you imagine, if that happens in Serbia, what will Serbia look like? Just look at the world then, 7 billion people are sharing what they have in abundance, do you think there will be poverty in the world? So goodness factor is a sign of spiritual maturity. If you are matured in spirituality, you own nothing, everything is yours and you are everything – all materials, animate and inanimate.
There’s one more trap in spirituality – intellect. Everybody talks about ego as the blocking factor, but have you ever thought of intellect as the blocking factor? What happens with the intellect? Craving for more knowledge makes us obese in the brain. There are a lot of people who know a lot of things, but they don’t translate that into experience. Knowledge sitting in the books remains as a burden. Whatever we consume more than we need leads to obesity. Mostly before attaining enlightenment lots of unlearning has to happen.
A Story – A trap of intellect on a spiritual path
One man came to a master and said, “You know, guru, I have read all the books available about enlightenment, now I need only one drop and I’m enlightened. Someone told me you are a great master and you can add me that drop.“
The master said, “ I’m waiting for the same thing, that drop which will give me the same effect!“
So the person got disappointed thinking, “Stupid guru“ and he left.
Then a disciple who was sitting next to the guru said,“Guru, you could actually help him. You are guiding all of us. Why are you not helping this man?“
Then guru said,“He is a confused person. He has to spend years to unlearn and empty his intellect. “
It’s like that. We eat a lot of food, at an amazing buffet we want to eat everything, then we think, my stomach is very, very heavy, what will I do now?
So we have been eating emotionally. We have been acquiring knowledge emotionally. What is happening at the end of the day is you have too much to handle. There is much more than you need. So when they see someone like this, with crammed up knowledge, true masters leave them alone, to eat more. When you are fed up eating, then you come to me.
A great master has said, “A man who is proud of his intellect is like a prisoner who’s proud of his prison cell.“
So there are a lot of traps. I’m telling this so that you become aware. We will be too eager to cram up things thinking that this will help us. But spend time with yourself. Reduce your TPS (thoughts per second). That will take you faster to realisation than your acquired knowledge, what you eat from the outside. Spending time with yourself is important. There are a lot of traps, ego, intellect, emotion, quite a lot of things, so empty, free, remove a lot of things and empty the space. When your space is all empty, enlightenment materialises from inside because you are already that. So if you are sincere in your desire for enlightenment, if you’re sincere in the path of liberation, it’s a good time.
Once again, acceptance. You must accept yourself, no choice. Don’t worry about other people, it’s not important, but if you don’t accept yourself, nobody can accept you, it’s going to be the same, never-ending cycle of emotions. And what is the advantage of being with a guru? He kicks your butt (laughter).
M: Sincere masters are experts in kicking butts (smile) until you get fed up and run away or stay. Because we are too comfort zone oriented. We do a practice if our mind allows. Mind wants comfort zones, but in spirituality, you sometimes have to break comfort zones. We love them so that we can sleep.
Q: Why do many people who embark on the path of spirituality want to renounce physical or sexual experiences? Why do they consider that as a nuisance or an obstacle in reaching their spiritual blossoming?
M: I think the answer is already in the question. Which part is worried about sex? This problem is because, where should sex stay? I believe it should stay with the body. Why is it staying with the mind? That is the problem. I believe sexuality is something which is connected to the body because it’s connected to the species. For having the continuity of species, you must have sexuality. Not just human beings. Every being on earth enters into this activity at some point in their life. Why? Because the species must continue. That is why the creator has created this kind of effect. But human beings keep things in the mind, then there is a whole lot of problems. If you keep sexuality to your body, then there is no guilt or other things connected to the mind. This is why we are suffering. I believe that if we keep sexuality with the body, body needs sexuality, no problem, but the mind is keeping it and when the mind keeps something it enlarges it. If any event, anything you take in life goes through the mind, it changes its form. Then it’s a big deal. It’s a problem. Then morality and various things come. What happens? You suffer and then guilt happens. When guilt happens, sin happens. So a small thing becomes a huge mountain.
So my take on sexuality is very simple. It’s connected to the body, let it stay with the body. That’s it. Whenever we keep anything in mind for too long, it’s a burden. Whenever we suppress anything at all, it’s a burden. That’s why we see anarchy of morality in this world. Because of suppression. I don’t believe in sexual or any anarchy that way. But the thing is whenever somebody says,“Don’t do this, this is taboo,“ then we want to do it, right? If somebody says, “Don’t smoke,” you will end up smoking. If somebody says, “Don’t eat this food,“ you will probably only have that food. It’s like saying, “Think about anything except black monkey.“ What do you think about? Only about a black monkey! (smile) So human mind is like this. This is the nature of human mind. Do you want to store so many things in the mind? Release all these things. Why do you want to carry this burden?
There was one man who decided to become a priest. He went to one priest and said,“Please teach me how to do this job. The priest said, “You can’t learn anything, you are so stupid, I can’t teach you.“ And this guy was not leaving the priest. Every day he used to come and say, “I want to learn.“ The priest got fed up with him. He said, “Ok, come tomorrow morning, I’ll teach you.“ And he taught him the method of worship. Finally he said, “When you do this, you should remember the great, bright face of the Lord, not the ass of a dog.“ (laughter)
M: The last sentence was that, (laughter) and this man could never do the priest’s job because he always remembered the ass of a dog! This is how mind works. First he said, “Remember the great, bright face of the Lord,“ that is what he couldn’t remember, “not the ass of a dog,“ that is what he remembered.
Devi: Make sure we don’t end the satsang with any ass (laughter)
M: This is an example how mind works. Mind likes to capture negativity. So if somebody says,“Hey, sex is very bad,“ we’ll only think about sex. This is how all these things are happening.
Also, don’t eat too many concepts, you won’t digest them. Many people cannot move on the spiritual path because they are following a concept after concept without even biting, chewing. Look at the world, 7.5 billion people, everybody is great. Whose property is morality? Have you ever thought about it? Morality is the property of the middle income group. The rich and the poor have nothing to do with it. The very rich live their life as they want. The very poor also do this. But the middle income group hugs morality and can neither swallow nor spit. I’m not saying that everything is ok, everything in moderation is no problem, butwhen you are concentrating on your spiritual journey, many other things become insignificant. You wouldn’t care, it doesn’t matter.
Sometimes people gift very expensive alcohol to people to tell them that they love them. If that alcohol comes to me, it’s completely useless because I don’t drink any alcohol and I have no interest in it. So what happens with this kind of thing? The point I am saying is everything has a relevance in somebody’s life. We have no right to judge that relevance. For some people, this very expensive alcohol would be a great treasure, but for me it’s nothing. That’s a variation, that’s a difference. Relevance is different from person to person. So we should not allow ourselves to judge, this guy is right, that guy is wrong. This is all the problem, it’s all a mind’s game. I would say be natural, if this is good for you, then good for you, that’s it. You don’t have to prove anything. I don’t believe in do’s and dont’s written in stone.
For me a definite NO is violence. I don’t like violence. That’s why I always say ahimsa, non-violence is my religion in thought,word and action. If we don’t entertain violence, we are light and relaxed and we don’t have to really judge or criticise anybody because it’s a burden for us. When you talk bad about other people, it’s heaviness, it’s a burden. I prefer being light. Loving somebody is effortless, hating somebody needs effort. Choose love. Be light. Remain light. Shine bright.
Satsang in Richterswil, Zurich, Switzerland on 8th October 2017
Good afternoon and welcome!
I usually like to answer questions, rather than giving a speech, because often a speech is off the track, because it may be something you don’t even want to know, but if questions are answered, it is more relevant.
I think I have met quite a few of you. But is anyone meeting me for the first time? Thank you, welcome!
The Path of Nath Tradition
I’ll brief you about the path I follow. It is not complicated. Lord Krishna was soon going to leave his body. When he knew that he will not be in the body for long, he also understood that what he came for, the reason for his avatar will also get diluted after his death. This is natural for every guru. Mostly after death we forget them. Lord Krishna called upon Dattatreya; he was the Aacharya (means teacher) of a yuga (era); Yuga Aacharya of Lord Krishna’s time was Lord Dattatreya. He told Dattatreya “I’m afraid that once I leave the body, what I came for, all my teaching will be forgotten. We should do something.” So Lord Dattatreya codified a system, a tradition, called the Nath tradition. Nath tradition is very simple, only one purpose, Liberation.
Liberation while living means detachment from all things around you. But at the same time it doesn’t mean you don’t experience life. You can be in everything but at the same time you are not bound by anything while living. And what is liberation while dying? Less luggage, means less desire. How can you have less desire? Experience life as it happens, fully. Tradition of Nath has only a purpose which is liberation and that is beyond enlightenment. So Lord Dattatreya created the Nath tradition based on Lord Shiva, the stature or state of Lord Shiva, totally in happiness, he needs nothing. When can you be truly happy? When you are fine with what you have and you are not worried about what you don’t have. Then you are happy! So that is a simple tradition that I follow and there are lot of masters in the same tradition. You can see a minor deviation with the masters, because everybody has their own orientation, we all have our unique flavor and that is the main thing that we are giving to the world, that’s how people recognize us. This is Nath tradition. Purpose of Nath tradition is Liberation. Liberation has two sides, one while living, you are not affected by anything around you and while leaving, you have very few desires, you are free. These are the two aspects of Liberation and that is exactly our path. I’ll take your questions now, challenge me. (smiles). Yes please.
Q: When we go to school, we are told you must have wishes, then when you have wishes, you start working. I think it is so difficult to change what you are told and not to work in order to fulfill your wishes. I find it very difficult sometimes; I often feel because I have wishes I work, but it is the opposite. Please advise.
Well, the world operates on mind. Everything is mind. Even our education system is feeding into the mind. When I say liberation, it is going beyond the mind, so it’s slightly different here. Mind is almost like an organ as far as I am concerned. 80-90% of our living time we are only entertaining the mind. I was telling someone recently that when Karl Marx’s was talking about the ‘the haves’ and the ‘have nots’, we had a particular species in India who wanted nothing. So we did not know where to place them. They can have anything, but wanted nothing. You go beyond your mind to a stage of a complete contentment. We keep our mind alive and we are afraid that if we lose our mind what will happen? Mind is kept alive by thoughts. What is most of the wishes or desires or the things that we use for propulsion, these are all thoughts per second. This is exactly the difference between the slave and the emperor. When thoughts are controlling you, you are a slave. When you are controlling the thoughts you become an emperor. How do you control thoughts? Thoughts are not within your control. They are like our children, we have no idea what’s coming. After they came, we thought this is our child. Just like that we have no control on thoughts. In a moment I will explain to you the chronology of thoughts but before that, why do we emphasize or over emphasize on our ability to think? That is because the mind wants to stay alive. The food of mind is thought. These thoughts are inevitability for us, we cannot control them. So take one step backwards, what is bringing these thoughts into mind? We have inclination for something, such a thought will happen. For example, if a person has an inclination for alcohol, he would have thought,’ I must have alcohol’. If a person does not have inclination for alcohol, he will not even think about it. Imagine if a person has no interest in alcohol and you give him the most expensive bottle of alcohol, he will have nothing to do with it. So inclination creates thought. Before inclination what happens? Desire, unfulfilled desire. Before unfulfilled desire what happens? Why is a desire unfulfilled?
It comes from impressions. What is impression? Your understanding of an experience is impression. How you understood or experienced something in life, the residue, the memory of it, became an impression in your hard drive, subconscious. That’s why the same event will have different results or different memories for different people. If 50 people see an event, the 50 people will have 50 different feelings, 50 different memories of the same thing. Each person can only understand as per themselves. Have you observed in certain parties, where buffet is observed, some people do not like to eat something, while other people relish the same thing. Maybe I don’t like certain food but another person likes it. This difference is because our flavor determines our experience. What we are determines how we taste it, how we experience life. We have experiences in life, that is why we have taken the body, mind, intellect and ego. Then we collect memory out of it. That’s called impression. That is stored in our causal layer; it is like the hard drive of our computer. You may not even know what is in your hard drive. How do you know what is in your hard drive? It manifests on your screen, then you say, “Oh, this is sitting there.” Like that in our life we do not know what is sitting in our hard drive, in our causal layer. Only the effects are visible. So you look at the effects and say,”Oh, this is already there.” The causal layer creates effect, which we call life. If the hard drive is full, life is terrible, it slows down the computer, and our life becomes complicated, when so much data is sitting inside. So this is how the chronology, an event, or an experience, its memory, impression, it creates desire, which needs fulfillment, it causes an inclination and a thought happens. When thought happens, it asks for expression that is you have to express your thought, you say I want this experience; you go and buy it, that’s the action. So thought word, action, it creates an experience, it creates a memory, it creates an impression and then again desire, this is the cycle.
There is nothing permanent. The same person, who liked a certain thing at the age of 15, may have complete hatred for it at 30. It is not like the person has changed, but the memories have changed, the impression has changed, desire has changed and also the need has changed. Have you observed, sometimes we have very close friendships in school, college, university etc, and after a while you don’t even feel anything for each other, sometimes friends part, they go away. This is because when the frequency is not matching, there is no communication. This is also created by impressions. So there are so many things happening in the causal layer, that we unfortunately cannot see, but we can experience them at times. This is how the whole structure of life is happening, how much control do we have in this? Each thing is happening at a particular time, at a particular place, with a particular set of people for a certain experience. At this point in time, we had to meet; this group of people has been decided before. This is how destiny brings people together. We are born at a particular time and die at the particular time. It is unchangeable, it is decided. What decides this duration? Destiny. Destiny is equal to desire that is unfulfilled, that needs fulfillment. It has to be laid on time, on linear time.
What is spirituality in this whole game? Very simple, your awareness of your spirit, your soul, is spirituality. Most of us believe we are the personality, because that is what we project to the world. That is why we don’t know anybody in this world including our children or parents or anybody. You think you know them; you probably know their image, the form, the expression and say I know this person very well. How do you know this person at all? You can’t see his dream state, you can’t see his deep sleep state. Our level of awareness for anybody or between anybody is very limited. But we say boldly I know this person. I know very well, I don’t know anybody, even if we have lived together for a long time, because I can’t see anybody’s karma, I can’t see anybody’s dream state. In a way we think we know, but the truth is we do not know. When do you get to know people? When do you become completely yourself, totally yourself? When you connect to the frequency and vibration of yourself, you will start connecting with everybody in the same way, otherwise we only look, but we don’t understand.
Know yourself and free yourself from the mind
It is important to ask ourselves, do I know myself? You know how we measure ourselves, by other people’s words, what others talk about us and what we think about us. These are not both us; do we know what our next thought is? So it is audacity to say “I know myself.” We must connect to ourselves, go deep within ourselves, beyond our states. That is what Osho explained, you do not fall into sleep, you become sleep. When you are falling into sleep, there is somebody who is not sleep, when you see people outside; there is somebody who is separate from them.
Someone told Ramana Maharishi, a great saint in India,”I’m bothered with these people.” Ramana asked, “Which people are bothering you?”
He was told, “Other people.”
Ramana said, “Where are other people? I can’t see anyone outside of me. My own soul has manifested into various people. So it’s a collective existence. When you understand this, you see in the mind, a wish or a desire; in which mind is it?”
One more thing about this education system, I love this system because they create bricks on the wall. When a person is individualistic, we make them mediocre and make them as bricks, because the system is not made for geniuses. A good education system shows children where to look, not what to see. The moment you tell them what to see you are binding them. They don’t need individuality; you already told them what to see, finished. So good system is always leaving people free. The highest gift that any master can give to any disciple is freedom. The highest freedom that you will ever experience while living, is freedom of the mind. Where can the freedom start? How can you be free?
No education system is teaching you that. One word, acceptance. Accept yourself as you are, with the good part, the bad part, the ugly part; everything is you, accept them totally. Never judge yourself because you are unique, there is no one like you. Experience the uniqueness that is you and be fully with it. Acceptance, if one word you want to remember, remember acceptance that leads to freedom. In the path of liberation, there are very few words and the key word is acceptance. We judge ourselves much more than others do. We have no right. How can we judge ourselves, because we created this life to fulfill desires, for completion, for experience. How do we judge this at all? It doesn’t matter if other people approve of us or not. In actual journey of spirituality, there is nothing called proving, we have nothing to prove to anybody, because all people are the same. Second, you don’t need approval of anybody, because you are unique, no one can really know you. In the paths, traditions, religions, that great masters have created, it is all to know yourself, not to know something outside of you. Knowing yourself starts with you and ends with you. You know, if you are talking to the God outside, what is sitting inside? We forget the God inside, which is called the soul, because as I told earlier, we have our physical body, we have our emotional mind, we have our intellectual, the intellect, the analysis part and we have our ego, the personality. All these four things are alive only because of one person, soul. When the soul leaves, there is no physical, there is no emotional, intellectual or any personality. When somebody dies, we call it a dead body. So it is important to understand who the boss is. It is good to know. That awareness is called spirituality. All the time you are aware that,”This is my soul running the whole show,” that means you are very spiritual.
First word is acceptance, second word is awareness. What is the guarantee? Liberation will happen, with these two words. You don’t need a religion or guru to tell you this because it is already within you. What is the highest gift that any guru can give you? Freedom, which is already within you. Did I confuse you or is it clear? Remember these three words – acceptance, awareness, liberation. I think that is enough. If you ponder on those, if you contemplate, you will understand the whole world of spirituality as if it is in your palm.
So many people do so many things to connect to God. Why are there so many things done to connect to God? That’s because each person is unique. In the Hindu path, there are 330 million Gods. What does that mean? 33% of you is God, the soul aspect. The only permanent aspect in our system is the soul aspect. 33% is physical, you have a body, 33% is mental, we have a mind. That is why as a blanket opinion the tradition says, there are 330 million Gods, because there are 330 million types of people. You can only appreciate something which suits you. If something doesn’t suit you, it doesn’t belong to you anyway, very simple. Lord Krishna talked about this in 2-3 lines, there are numerous things in the world, material people, places, time, lot of things in the world and for people to know this or experience this we have five senses. Five senses are eyes, ears nose, skin, tongue. To experience this world of numerous things we have 5 senses and one mind. So mind cannot be with every sense at the same time. Like you are eating your food, but if your mind is in your office, you will not taste the food; your mind is elsewhere, not available. So mind has to be with your tongue to feel the taste. Mind has to be with your eyes to see. Mind has to be with your ears to hear properly. So at one point in time you can experience only one thing. The result is usually either happiness or sorrow. This is it, broadly you categorize your experience, some category called happiness and some category called sorrow. If you understood this, you understood life. We think that we can conquer this earth, but at the end of the day, this earth conquers you. That is why we go with flowers to the graveyard. All those people who were trying to conquer this earth at one time, but finally earth conquered them and put them inside the ground. So if you look at life it is funny, you know. If you don’t live now, you don’t live ever. Right now is your reality, yesterday is finished and you have no idea about tomorrow. Be happy now. Secondly, don’t be afraid, we will die anyway, there’s nothing to worry. Have I answered your question?
M: Yes please.
The Nath Sadhana
Q: I have two questions. Don’t you recommend Sadhana? Another question, I have never heard about this tradition, Nath, but Advaita and it sounds very similar.
Yes, good question. There is a variety of Sadhana in Nath. Kriya is one of Nath Sadhana, we teach kriya. I like meditation, but not sitting and meditating. I like meditation, 24/7, that means being aware. You are being aware of your movement, your walk, your talk; there is nothing unconscious in your system. This is Nath Sadhana, the practice. Once one great person came to a Nath master and asked him, how can I be initiated into the tradition? He said jump into the river, river takes you. In other words, be life, don’t do life. Most of us do life, like we are acting. As explained earlier, education tells you, achieve this, conquer the world, all this education tells you. So we are acting, doing life, instead being life. We try to become somebody else, it’s already taken and all the people are already taken. We have to be fully ourselves. These days there is another fascination for people, regression, past life. People come and tell me sometime, “You know, I have been so and so in my past life, I have been a great master, or I have been somebody.” I don’t know how it matters in this life. When I ask them,”If you were a great master in another life, what are you doing on earth now? You should have gone away.” So it’s ironical that we bank on something already finished, even if it is true, this life is the only valuable life at this point in time. This is the only time, this is the only life. Imagine there are no more lives. That’s a big relief actually. You will be fully now, here. All your happiness and sorrows have no value, no permanent value, experience-wise there is some value because you are experiencing and whether there is happiness or sorrow, value is the same. We like happiness but that is different, because of the mind. Happiness and sorrow are only two situations of life. Have you observed most of us, when we have a good happy situation we fail to enjoy? There is cloud of fear of losing it, sitting always with us. We are always worried about losing something. What can we lose maximum? This body? It will be lost anyway. So why don’t we just be happy? We fail to experience relations; we fail to experience events, various things in life because of this cloud of fear. A lot of masters have said through time, that we are infinite. But why are we not experiencing infinity? People have said that we are immortal, but do we feel it? To feel it you need to know yourself. There is one part of you that is a time rider; it rides the time like a horse, soul, the subtlest of the things sitting within you. Once you connect with the soul everything makes sense. You know ego is not bad, it is a good idea. Ego is like the walking stick of the mind. Without ego mind feels lost. What is ego? It is the skeleton of your personality. Just like we have a skeleton to keep the body in shape, the skeleton of personality is ego. Skeleton is not bad, but if you are only skeleton, then it is very bad. You scare people. That’s what ego does to the society, you run away from such people right? Because you are scared. But if ego just maintains your personality, it is a good idea. When I ask who you are, you say I don’t really know. It’s a problem. You must know who you are. It’s a good idea to know yourself. Not as the ego, not as the personality, but what runs the personality? That awareness is Nath sadhana, practice. It is a constant practice. That awareness transcends into dream state. In other words, you woke up I the morning and then you sleep in the night. This time awareness is above all the activities. You will reach a plane where you are seeing everything from above. This is one stage that we automatically come into. After a while, automatically you will see yourself going into another state, which is called dream state. Why is dream state important? Is it as important as waking state? You get fulfillment through dreams. After the waking state, the dream state, then the body goes into total rest, deep sleep state, usually about 3.5 hours. That time it is like death, you have no idea who you are, whether a man or a woman, no idea of time, space, where you sleep. Nothing is important, nothing matters. That is the time that you are plugging in your mobile for charging. You become fully replenished for the next day. So everyday destiny is reminding you that you have death.
When you wake up in the morning, it is a fresh life. Every day there is a birth, every day there is a death. That is why in the Hindu system there is prayer, when you start your day, we say, Kayenavacha Manasendriyairva,Budhyaatmana Va Prakruteh Swabhavath Karoami Yadyad Sakalam Parasmai Sri Narayana Yeti Samarpayami. This means Lord Vishnu is the Lord of sustenance. What are we chanting? “Whatever I do today with the organs of action and the organs of perceptions, whatever I think, whatever I say, whatever I do, with my body, mind and intellect, I surrender at your feet. Please protect this.” That is not the same chant in the night.
Before we go to bed, we say, Karacharanakritam Vaa Kkaayajam Karmajam Vaa,Shravana Nayanajam Vaa Maanasam Vaa, Aparaadham Vihitamavihitam Vaa, Sarvametatkshamasva Jaya Jaya Karunaabdhe Shree Mahadeva Shambho. That is to Lord Siva. Why Lord Siva? The Lord of Dissolution, recycling. Lord Vishnu, maintainer, “You please maintain my life, smoothly.” Night, you know you are dying; there is a deep sleep state coming. So you tell Lord Siva, “Please purify me, recycle me and make me fresh for the next day.” What is the chant, “Whatever I did with my hands, with my feet, physical, whatever I performed, through the ears, through the eyes, whatever I experience, anything is good, anything is positive or anything is negative, whatever I did today, I surrender at your feet, I am not perfect. I would have done, probably quite a lot of things today. But I surrender everything at your feet. Please bless me and dissolve this for me. So we remain purified always.” When you do not do something, Lord Krishna says and surrender it, your actions to me, I release you from the sins of it. You are not the doer. When does karma happen? When you become the doer, I am doing it, that means I carry the weight of it. When I surrender everything, what am I doing? I am the instrument of the divine. You will only do pure work, purity. Karma is connected to doership. You own the activity, you own the results, too. When you are humble, when you fully surrender to the divine, doesn’t matter, which religion, which God, but when you are fully surrendered, you don’t have any weight of karma. That is why I said, when leaving, less baggage. When we have so much of baggage what happens, carrying is difficult, you have to pay excess luggage for that. It’s expensive. Did I explain to you?
Q: You talk about, happiness, awareness and all this, I find very often I am a very happy person, because I accept things the way they are, but not always of course. On the other hand, when I meet a spiritual person, just like you, I feel under pressure, I should do this, I should do that, oh now I should have awareness every second of my life. Yes, I know that, from our sages, but what is it that I must do, can you tell me that?
Beautiful question! May I answer this is two words? Do nothing? You get to God, in silence, not activity. We all feel that through activity we can achieve something, it’s only entertainment of mind. This is also the reason, you will not see me telling anywhere that I am a guru to anybody. If people ask me, are you my guru? I always say no. Do you know why I say so? We are living in a relative experience. It’s a relative life. When someone decided to be a disciple, the other person becomes the guru. When I am sitting in the toilet am I the guru? It’s as simple as that. We are all playing certain roles, based on another person’s need. You might have experience this in life, when somebody will come and tell you, when I look at you, I feel like you are my mother. That time you will never ask what is wrong with you, because that person wakes up the mother in you. This is how life works. So the best gift you can give yourself is to be you. Don’t try to practice anything. But at the same time, every moment, be you. Not what others want you to be, even not what you want you to be, but, what you actually are. Do you know the technique? Spend time with yourself. We are eager to spend time with other people or in another place, but, spend time with yourself and understand yourself, “In certain situations I become angry. In certain situations I become upset. In certain situations I like it or I become excited. All these situations are happening through me, but I am not that.” That is why I said contemplation is much more important than meditation. We are not the emotions, we are not what we project to the world, which is the personality. Find the real you. Try to read a book completely, you know which book, you. Don’t read any other book, that is someone else’s story, but you must read you in this life time. No one can write it for you, you reading your own story. It’s not about events. You are reading the authentic you. There is only one book that everyone who is walking the path of spirituality or not must read, which is their story. Other stories are not important. I can be a great master or a stupid master. That also doesn’t matter. What am I doing to the world? What am I providing to the world? A mirror which is not changing. So what do you see? Yourself. There is nothing to see in me, but you have everything to see about you. The moment you read your book, which is you, you have no more lives. Please understand what I said, please take your time, and don’t miss this book. It does not matter, what others have written. It’s others book and It’s ok for them. For you, it’s your book. There is only one examination to win in one lifetime, It’s call the mind. No other examination is important, they are all changing. Sorrows and happiness is temporary. They don’t stay, but mind stays. When does mind become useless? When does the trash can become useless? When there is no trash. Thoughts are trash. When thoughts are not there, you don’t need mind. Thoughts maintain mind and for the mind to survive, mind maintains thoughts. Remember these two things. You must read yourself in this lifetime. Otherwise there will be more lifetimes. One examination to be won in this lifetime, mind. To win the mind, surrender the mind.
A Story of Lord Ram
There is a story of Lord Ram, he was fighting against a very powerful person and Ram had to win the fight. This man has blessing from God, that whoever fights with him, 50% of his strength will come to the man. So Ram hid himself behind the tree and shot the arrow.
You are Ram; your opponent is your mind. Try to control the mind, the mind controls you. So how do you handle the mind? Allow the mind to be, do whatever you like, I’m not worried. You are not worried about thoughts, you are not worried about emotions, everything is happening, let it happen.
Coming back to the first part, do nothing. That does not mean you don’t live your life, do everything you like. Enjoy everything, whatever God has given you, but at the same time, you are not that. Have you seen the picture/idol of Hanumanji, face of a monkey, body of a very strong man? What is Hanumanji? It is our mind. The face of Hanumanji is that of monkey. What is the main feature, unstable, can’t stay in one place, jumping from tree to tree, restless. Why are we worshipping Hanumanji?
There is a great truth that is given to the world, through that image. When mind is surrendered to supreme consciousness, you become extremely powerful. Lord Ram is supreme consciousness. The mind is surrendered to supreme consciousness. The supreme Consciousness has no desires and the mind becomes very powerful, invincible and also eternal, because mind is surrendered to supreme consciousness. That is symbolism. But mind has the face of a monkey. This is all symbolic, this is all very important. The moment you understand all this, you see your picture in all this. That’s why the 330 million deities have 330 million aspects of you, dimensions of you. We have those dimensions, whether we appreciate them or not, we all have every dimension, hugely varied, different. Because mind says, we are only this much, I am this personality, we limit ourselves, but we are unlimited by nature. That’s why I said don’t miss this book. Thank you
Q: I am a much disciplined person. But more and more I am getting fed up with always being disciplined. I am also ok with being fed up with all this discipline. There is a beautiful figure of Hanuman that has come to Somesskandashram. I’m so drawn to that figure that has very beautiful eyes and also the energy. I don’t want to be so disciplined.
I think the answer is already in your question. Spontaneity is the other side of discipline, discipline if it is from the mind, the other side is spontaneity, it’s natural. If you are not spontaneous, you will suffer, there will be suffering. The other word to say is water. Answer is ‘be water, all the time not the rock’. If you flow like water you will be happy. What happens when water stagnates, you cannot drink it anymore. If your life is like water you will always be fresh. So discipline is good, if you are waking up in the morning and doing certain things but, mentally be like water, in the mind, be water. Now coming to Hanumanji, since you told that the idol is beautiful in Somesskanda. If you look at Hanumanji, he was much evolved, he chose to be the servant of Ram and what did he say to Lord Ram? “This body is at your service, I am your servant. My mind is at your feet, your wish is my command. But soulwise you and I are one.” Powerful statement and truth! Look at Hanumanji, when did he meet Ram? When Ram was already in the forest, not when Ram was the King. How many of us will support somebody who is not doing so well? We like to be connected with the rich and famous people. Someone who is doing well, we like to say I know him quite well. But Ram had already lost his kingdom, was already in the forest that is when Hanumanji met him and decided to be his servant. Look at his stature. Powerful Avatar! But what we need to understand is that whenever we have surrendered our mind, our body, our intellect, our ego, at the feet of God, a lot of tests will happen. Why are these tests happening? Each test is purification. Each test will purify you. You survive each test, the next will probably be even more tough. You become purified. Layer by layer things get removed from you. Finally you stop existing. You and the Lord that you worship become one. So it’s like peeling the onion, each layer is removed until there is no layer to remove.
Hanumanji is a powerful representation of determination, clarity, discipleship, bhakti. He is a prime example. That’s why today, you see more Hanumanji temples than Ram’s temple. We see so many people get influenced because of other people. Lord Ram decided to send his pregnant wife to forest. There was a divide in the court. Some people said, “Ram is an avatar he knows whatever he does,” some people said, “This is injustice, how can you send your wife to forest?” So there was a divide. They approached Hanumanji to take sides, “My Lord knows what he is doing, I’m nobody. I don’t even exist. It’s Lord working through this body.” How to become a true disciple, the prime example is to know how Hanumanji is. If you become truly connected with a guru or a Lord, you should not exist. Not physically, you will exist; but the surrender will be so complete that you are one. There are so many stories about Hanumanji, it’s so inspiring and exciting and how he operated in this world.
A Story of Hanumanji and Saturn
You probably heard about Saturn, the influence of Saturn. In the astrological chart, everybody will have some influence of Saturn some time in life. That’s a beautiful state some time. Nothing works.
So Saturn told Hanumanji, “Look here I have to come to you, it’s time.”
Hanumanji said, “You come, no problem, you do whatever you want on me. But if something happens to Lord Ram, I will beat you up.”
So he threatened Saturn. That is why during Saturn’s time, people worship Hanumanji.
The story goes that at one time, Saturn tried to detach Hanumanji from Lord Ram. Hanumanji understood. He caught Saturn and pushed him half way into the ground. Saturn ran away. That is why we worship Hanumanji during the time of Saturn. I think I answered your question. Be Water. Remember that.
Audience: When I see water running down, I feel it’s playing, it’s just joy. It’s so wonderful. Thank you so much for this picture.
Being water also means being egoless. We must understand one thing very clearly. We are not above anybody, neither are we below anybody, neither are we equal to anybody. We are unique. We are born unique and we will die unique. Nobody can change our uniqueness. Once we know this very clearly, we only see ourselves in everyone. The only communication will be love, love, love… Also it’s not expecting something back. We can’t communicate anything else; cause there is nobody else to communicate. Also in essence we are formless. But fortunately or unfortunately we wanted to experience earth. So we need a form. In certain lokhas/worlds, you do not need the elements to have an experience. But on earth we do. It’s not a bad idea. We experience duality 100% here. The good and bad are sitting together having coffee. The higher the frequency, it’s levitation; the lower the frequency it’s gravitation. Between levitation and gravitation we exist. Isn’t it beautiful? So the struggle is between levitation and gravitation. Education system teaches us gravitation, not levitation. When you are connected to the spirit, its levitation. That is the conflict that we are talking about. The conflict happens when our soul wants liberation, levitation and the earthly demands/desires want gravitation. “I hate this guy, I want to teach him a lesson, I’ll come back.” Everything is ok but the hatred stays, so we must swap everything to love finally and when we have no give and take with anybody, then levitation.
Audience: In essence it is very easy, but for us it is tough because of us.
When you say difficult it is one part of your life, which is your waking state, what about dream state or sleep state? Was difficult?
Audience: No and I sleep very well.
Waking state is what we are talking about, so 12 hours-14 hours. In that matter, if you decide to be fully yourself this difficulty will go. We decide to be our mind, that is the problem.
Q: We spoke about Rama and Hanuman. But we also worship Sita and some other Gods. Can you say something about the suffering of Sita and her liberation?
If you look at the whole Ramayan, even though we call Ram as an avatar and Sita as an avatar, they lived the life of ordinary human beings. So Sita is the feminine/nature aspect of the whole story. Without Sita there is no Ramayana. It is not only about Ram. But Sita’s presence and everything that she went through was very clear in the whole story. It is very important to know that this is all interconnected and her role was very important. This is the Shakti aspect. Shakti has 3 dimensions predominantly – power of will, power of knowledge , power of action. Without these powers there is no Ramayana. So in a way, according to me, Sita is the nature on which the whole story is built. I do not believe that she was suffering. How do we suffer, with what aspect can we suffer? In the mind and in the waking state. Three is no suffering in the dream or sleep state. During waking state, there is possible suffering state. But Sita was also an avatar. She knew the role play. She was going through the experiences and never in the book or in the whole story, was there any mention that she was actually suffering. There were situations and she was handling those situations as karma, true duty. She was basing herself completely on true duty. When you sacrifice your life for a guru for God is that suffering? Sacrifice strengthens you. If your life is of sacrifice, it is of power. How she exited, when Ram realized that Sita is the mother of his children, when he invited Sita to go back to the palace. Sita said, “I am not coming. My job is over, the children have come back to you and they will rule.” The earth split into two and she went inside the earth. Ram tried to catch her hair, only the hair was in his hand, she was gone. That was not a wig, it was actual hair (smiles). So you see the power of the personality. Whole life is a sacrifice, not suffering. Look at the power of her personality. She becomes much more powerful as a character, than Ram. When she exited at will, when she went at will, it’s powerful.
So this is the thing, there have been powerful women, elegant, powerful and determined women in our stories. They were all respected by the world. In the creation, without Shakti there is no creation. The power of will, the power of action and power of knowledge must come together for creation to happen. This is the thing. We can talk a lot about it. But to be precise and clear, I do not believe that Sita ever suffered, that way. She understood that this is the story. She understood that, “This is my life” and she accepted it. She stayed pure, fully. Yes please.
Q: Why do some people suffer so much from illness, did they did something wrong in the last life, or do they have so much Saturn?
First of all everything about life, our character, our form, our nature, how we are, the place where we were born, our parents, our lineage everything has root in our karma.
Audience: But why?
Let me complete, I understood your question. Your question is why? Firstly there is no why in Karma. I will tell you a story. Everything is ‘is’.
A story of karma
One woman fell in love with a man. According to the man’s tradition, there is no contraceptive possible. Almost every year she was delivering a child. So after about one dozen children, she was praying to God, please God save me from this. Her only prayer was,”Save me.” So the deepest impression which she collected was helplessness and need for a change. But it is too late. That life finished like that. In the next life she got married, they tried very hard, no children. What was she praying? “God give me children.” This is the cycle of karma.
Why do we attract such illness to ourselves? First thing is sympathy. We sympathize with someone, saying oh my God this person is suffering so much. That impression is stored in your system. Your hard drive has no idea why you are collecting it. What happens when an impression is sitting in your hard drive? It has to manifest. It is not a conscious choice. You don’t have to get physically involved with someone who has the disease. You may be watching a television program or a movie and get emotional about it and catch the impression. So it is difficult to say what creates what, because it is a mixture, everything that we do in life has a residue. That’s why scriptures always say do not divide between species. Give food to fish, birds, animals, to so many things. So what happens is when you are one with the whole nature, so much of baggage goes off, you equalize it, you distribute it.
Secondly we are going through certain situation, we maybe like it or we don’t like it, accept both, don’t see it as a problem, but take it as a problem. The situation is given at this level, because you created it. You created some impressions which manifested in this way and acceptance.
Thirdly whenever you have such situations, try to do more for the world. That means, live your life for the society, for the world, so you diminish your baggage. Usually they say that if someone has cancer, at least three life times, they will have cancer. Why? because they resist it. Whenever we have something good or bad and we resist it, it stays. You have to accept something to go over it and how do we reduce it is by being useful to the world so that your burden becomes less.
This is in nutshell, how karma works. It is important to know, because we don’t know why certain things are happening in our lives. But if we know the chronology, how it works, by collecting impressions how we create our destiny, it helps, that is why when you have too much of an opinion about somebody, a part of it comes to you. We are interacting too much with the world and mostly unconsciously. It is important to understand. Especially it is connected to healers, when we sympathize with the healed etc, part of it is coming to you. So with respect to our Mai Tri healing, in our system, Avadoota Nadananda was telling me,”Energy is good, healing is happening, no problem. But tell all the healers to take one dollar or minimum money from the other person, so that the connection is cut. It can be your father or your son, but if the bridge is made, it keeps moving, the energy keeps moving. So take money, it can be very, very small, no problem, but that transaction cuts the chord, connection. It doesn’t end there, 50% of the money you collect should go to birds, animals, poor people, etc, 50% the healer can take.” This system is followed because when you feed the birds, animals etc, whatever residue you collected, that also goes away. Everything goes away, you become clean. When transactions become one sided, we collect, we accumulate, we store and the same thing will possibly manifest in us. Also you can’t interfere in somebody’s karma. If you are healing, you should mention if it is karmically allowed, let the person be healed. Many times the karma of the ailment, illness, and situation is collected and brought and they wanted to experience it. Nobody has any right to interfere.
A child, 4 or 5 years old, was suffering from leukemia and was rejected by the hospital. The parents were desperate, because the doctors said we can’t do anything more. They took the child to a saint, to a powerful master.
They told the master, “This child is in this situation.”
The master said, “Let me see what I can do.”
The moment he tried to heal the child became violent and in a strong voice, the child said, “How dare you touch me. I chose this life and I chose this illness, don’t dare to interfere.”
Many times we don’t know what created it and we are not allowed to interfere. That’s why you say, if it is karmically alright, let the other person be healed. That’s ok. For healing to happen, it is completely up to the person and not the healer. From the karmic point of you, it’s just an experience, from a mind point of you, it is a problem. We can talk about it later.
Q: If I pray for someone who is ill and ask the Lord to help that is ok isn’t it?
That is ok. That is your kindness.
Q: I just wanted to ask, if you said that if I sympathize with someone, I can collect their karma.
Not fully. That residue can come to you. What happens is a small residue of that situation can enter your system.
Q: Ok by doing seva, can that go away and balance it out?
That is why the feeding (annadhan/mahadhan). Why we say that is because, through serving, quite a lot of things leave us. That’s why quite a lot of people ask me, “Mohanji what can we do for you?” I always say, “Feed the birds, fish, creatures, animals. That is the highest you can do for yourself and in that way the whole energy field becomes better.” I don’t like to recommend to people, elaborate poojas or things for clearing karma. I have found this much more practical and also powerful. It’s very effective; like you spontaneously feed the hungry. Don’t worry about species, all are the same, when you are hungry everybody’s hunger is the same. Quite a lot of stuff gets removed.
Q: In the Scandinavian Satsang, you said, when you deal with people whose illness is passing away, saying “Tryambakam yajamahe” can remove whatever you collect.
Mantras and rituals have power, no doubt and it aligns you. It gives you proper alignment. But purification is very important. That’s why we have karma yoga. There is a rent to pay to earth for occupying the space and gaining experience, we cannot underestimate that. How can you pay the rent? By helping the helpless. Otherwise you can become enlightened, but you cannot leave, because you haven’t paid the rent. You will keep coming back, until you pay the rent. It is important to know; that’s why Adisankara, one of the greatest masters (the Yuga Acharya of the Kali Yuga, our time) told all the saints meditating in Himalayas to come down, during a particular time during Kumbh Mela and distribute the energy to other people as service to the population because, otherwise they cannot leave. Every religion talks about service as purification.
Q:Is that what you meant, sacrifice?
Not exactly, this is a duty, dharma to serve others. When I say sacrifice, for the sake of a master or the Lord or love, you give yourself up. Not that you die, but like Hanumanji or various people we see in the scriptures, devoting your whole life for something selfless is sacrifice. Providing food, providing support is seva. It’s not only food, when you say seva, it is giving what you have. If you have knowledge, it is knowledge, if it is time, it is time, if it is love, it is love. What you have you give. That is equal to inner richness. When you are rich inside it shows. Your conscience becomes much strengthened, like fire wall. What is conscience, conscience is your immune system of the mind. We have the immune system of the body. Similarly we have immune system of the mind. When conscience decays, illness happens in the mind. When our immune system fails, body suffers. When conscience decays, mind suffers. When both are weak, life suffers. This is the story.
Q:I have a very good friend and she has been suffering since many years ago. She believes and she knows that she is helping other souls, she saves other souls. She knows that she has to be in pain every day for many years. She is serving the other beings.
Yes very much possible. That we can’t call as suffering. It’s more of a sacrifice. Like the mother takes on something or suffers for the child, likewise compassion overrules you at times. You become fully compassionate. When compassion becomes you, there is no suffering. Likewise purpose can do the same to people. When your life purpose is very strong and you are determined about it, there is no suffering. Jesus knew very well, that these people won’t leave him alone. He was fighting against established priests who thought that they knew everything about God. Who is Jesus? A son of a carpenter. Can he go and fight with established priests? What drove him? What was the fuel behind this? What was energizing him? Purpose – the will of God, which he explained to people as the truth. It made him invincible, powerful. We all go through the same situation. When you develop conviction at that level, nobody can touch you. Our body, our mind, our intellect, our existence, becomes a sacrifice. It’s more sacrifice for mother Mary because she knew very well, that her son will be crucified, taken away. A person becomes a master through a lot of sacrifice. I’m not saying that that’s the only way, that is one of the ways. So if your friend is not affected by her pain, she is already a saint. In one of the epics, Mahabharata, there is one woman, she prays to Lord Krishna, “Give me suffering so that I always remember you.” What do we usually pray? “Don’t give me pain, don’t give me suffering.” So you can convert everything to positivity. If anything is happening to you at all, surrender that to God and say, “I leave it to you.” You won’t be to go through it, I will. It ends in that life, it will not be transferred. But if you are resisting, you are fighting and you are angry, then it goes on. Sometimes I have also seen, masters come and take birth in human body, and those people may not be normal, we call them abnormal or differently abled. But they are masters. They chose this body so that they don’t have to go through this animal life. Our usual life is take birth, get educated, get a job, get married, have children, have grandchildren, take care of the grandchildren as servant. Then we die. This is our usual existence. Sometimes when we take too much time to die, they put us in the old age home. Why aren’t you dying? You are supposed to die early. But this is not our life. This is not the way.
Classification of our existence
In the Indian system, we had distinct classification of our time and our existence. If that is followed, there won’t be any old age homes.
The first part is Bramhacharya, as a student, you learn your skills to lead a life.
Then you go into Grihasta, you get married, you have children, you take responsibility, you work, you earn money, you establish yourself. If you don’t want to get married you can be on your own, but you take responsibility, the time of responsibility, this is Grihasta. Again this is rooted on Dharma so you will not cheat or kill or something. You are deeply rooted in Dharma, in truthfulness, positivity.
Imagine you have a family, your children have grown up, they are ready for life, either they got married or they are on their own. You don’t stay there any more. You take Vanaprasta. When I say Vanaprasta it doesn’t mean going to forest, it means you learn to detach from whatever you have created. You move away from all what you are doing, you are focusing and identifying connecting with yourself, assimilating yourself and preparing for being complete. So you are not being a baggage to anybody at any point in time.
The last is Sanyasa, renunciation. When I say renunciation it means only thinking about God, being one with God. When do you get very close to God? When you become very close to yourself. This is the time for chanting connecting to yourself, for assimilating what you are and changing your breathing pattern or doing whatever it takes to connect to God. So by the time you are dying, you are fully occupied with God, you don’t have any distractions. You have no baggage, you are fully occupied with God. So when the soul leaves the body where will it go? Merge with God.
These 4 stages are extremely essential. We don’t lose our attachment, we are connected to earth and attachment is related to earth. We have to learn to live with them but at the same time not be attached to them. Awareness is the key. Remember, awareness is the key. If you understand this clearly there will be no old age homes. There will be no need; because at each stage you will be complete. At no point in time will you ever ask, what next, what should I do now? Because we know clearly this is how we go. Every point in time we have respect towards our self, others respect you because you are going through the rich process. Noone will ever become redundant. Complete life. I am telling you the whole cycle.
Any more questions, you must be hungry now? It has been great seeing you. We are connected whether we like it or not. Destiny connected us. As long as destiny allows us we will stay connected. But soulwise we are related and that relationship nobody can change. There is no your soul and my soul, there’s only one soul and many bodies. Wish you the highest awareness. Enjoy life. You know what Lord Krishna gave to the world, dance, songs, romance. Otherwise imagine if Lord Krishna was not there, imagine everybody will be sitting and meditating. All people will look like somebody died in their house. But Lord Krishna made everything fun. I love him. Life should be like that. Everything should be fun. Because we’ll die anyway.
M: This is my sleeping time in India. So if I sleep in the middle, please understand, it’s the middle of the night 🙂
Kailash and Machu Picchu
Q: Why Kailash and why Machu Picchu?
A: That’s a very beautiful question. In fact, when we went to Kailash for the first time in 2012, I didn’t know why we were going there. But there was a strong urge to go there. Later on, as I have written in the current Kailash book, the depth of Kailash as a power center started becoming clearer to every pilgrim. Kailash represents formless power, energy or consciousness. We have various energy centers in our body, which we call shakti points. Just like our head is very important because some of the major energy points exist in the head, similarly, Kailash has a value as an energy center in this world. Also, there are numerous points connecting the Earth with various dimensions, various worlds, various centers. In that context, Kailash is like an oasis where a lot of beings from various planets or various centers of the universe come or drop into Kailash.
I could speak about one of my experiences. In 2016, about 18 went inside to climb the Inner Kora of Kailash. It was very tough. Almost 22,000 feet high and it was a kind of life or death situation. We climbed up on a series of mountains (en route to Kuber Kund). By the time you reach the very top, you’re tired but you cannot stop there and need to keep on walking because other people are climbing up behind you. At the top, you need to walk on the edge of the mountain with a very steep fall on one side. So you had to be careful and go around the rock to reach a safe plateau. It was so tiring because there was very little oxygen and we were suffering from hypoxia (breathlessness).
When I reached the plateau, Kailash was behind me. I decided to lie down and rest. When I lay down, a voice told me, “Don’t lie down here. Keep moving. If you lie down, you will not be able to go. Nobody comes to Kailash to go. You come to Kailash to stay.” What does ’stay’ mean? You leave there or you live there. I walked further and then so many revelations happened.
They said enlightenment is only one part of your existence. Enlightenment is not the end. Dissolution is the end. When I said ’dissolution’ after enlightenment even at the subtle level you will still be alive. You have to dissolve your subtle form, which means a drop should completely become the ocean. Even without the body, you can exist in subtle form. You have to leave that form and become Shiva, become consciousness, no form, become a complete ocean. Until then, the journey is not complete.
So Kailash represents Shiva, the supreme consciousness, while Machu Picchu represents the Shakti energy, the power aspect of our existence. The major Shakti aspect of our existence is Iccha-shakti, which is the power of will, Jnana-shakti which is the power of knowledge and Kriya-shakti, the power of action. At the physical level, the power of knowledge is connected to the third eye. The power of will is connected to your heart center. The power of action is connected to your navel. If these three powers are in alignment, your life is powerful. So when you chant anything connected to your third eye, to your heart center and to your navel, you will feel the alignment happening in life, i.e. your energy centers are active. There are numerous other energy points, but these shakti centers are vital for a successful life.
So, Machu Picchu represents Shakti, the energy. Shiva is the dissolution, supreme consciousness, Shakti is connected to our existence. When supreme consciousness and existence unite, life happens. This is the reason why we go to these two places. But if you cannot go to any of these places, it doesn’t mean that you do not have shakti. You can bring them inside. Please accept yourself as you are. That’s the secret. If you say I’m fine with full acceptance, shakti gets activated.
Q: Were those voices you heard clairvoyance or telepathic communication?
A: All my communications in my early days were telepathic. This was in the early 2000s. One thing I was doing was that I used to go to the Himalayas and I used to feel peaceful. Once when I came back, one of the telepathic communications was,“Why are you going to some place in search of peace? Can you bring that peace from there to here? It’s faking peace. There’s no peace there. A location can give you peace, but if you cannot create peace inside, it’s not yours.” In search of silence, I was traveling a lot. We all do that. Finally, I got the answer. If you cannot find the silence in the midst of noises,you cannot find silence anywhere.
Don’t go anywhere, sit where you are and find silence in the middle of noises. The telepathic communications came more often. Then I realized, even that communication is noise. It went on for some time, then I started seeking deeper – where the word ’silence’ means no thoughts. That is silence. There are no thoughts happening in the mind. If one thought happens in the mind, it is alive and that is noise. So you arrive at a space where there are no thoughts. There’s nothing to think. There’s no pressure to do anything. There’s no world outside unless you create it. Then you start sinking into silence, absolute stillness.
And what’s the beauty of this? You do not need a guru or a master. You are everything already. You are complete by birth. So this was one of the strongest realizations that I had at that time that it’s not somebody else outside of you giving this to you. It’s that happening from the inside. Whatever we are searching for is already there. When you remove the lid of your mind, you see silence inside. At that time, there is no ‘you’ to see the silence because you become silence. What’s the use of living masters then? They are living examples.
So even one thought, for example, I’m going to be enlightened, means that the mind is alive. This thought is alive. ‘Going to be’ is a concept. There is no ‘going to be’ – you are already that. You are already complete by nature. Only one small correction, that is, who is running the show. Consciousness is more important than the mind, but we all look at the mind. We are controlled by the mind. When that is removed, you become complete and you are everything. You realize you are everything.
Q: I had a similar experience, but then it disappeared.
A: You experienced communication which is a continuation of past lives. It means you have been doing some work and you had certain communication going on, but in this life it’s new. So when it happened, you felt fear. When fear happened, it blocked that communication. That happens. I always tell people, whatever happens, allow it to happen, just watch it. There’s no need to participate. If somebody wants to tell you something, listen. There’s no need to react, respond or do anything. Just listen. Sometimes it might be something very important for you in this life. But what happens is, we are something which we are not used to – we block.
Earlier you had fear and what you have done in the past lives, where you have reached, that communication is continuing. You may call it clairvoyance or anything else, but the mind of this life may not understand the mind that happened in the past. All you need is acceptance and receptivity. Just see what’s happening but always be yourself. Be connected to the supreme consciousness. Don’t deviate but allow the information to come.
Karmic concept amongst Orthodox church, Indians, and American Indians
Q: In Orthodox Christianity, there is family karma or family curse, the curse of the ancestors. Can you make a comparison between that karmic concept in the Orthodox church and ancestral karma in India?
A: Yes, this is absolutely true. On the one hand, the reason for your birth, unfulfilled desires, are what we call the part of destiny. Unfulfilled desires are a journey from your first heartbeat to your last heartbeat. That journey is happening whether we like it or not. Everything is connected to this – how we will live, what we will do on earth, what experiences we have, what we will look like, where you were born, etc. This aspect of family karma is not just in Orthodox church but even in the American Indian community. The American Indians knew it as well. There are a lot of communities who have acknowledged that there is a stream of karma from the lineage, from the ancestors, that comes and joins you. Take any family in this world. You can see that it has growth, stabilization, and decline. It is defined in such a way that every family has three to five generations growing, three to five generations static and three to five generations going down. It’s like a wave.
The remedy people usually talk about to reduce the weight of the lineage karma is to feed animals, birds, fish in the wilderness. Not the fish in the fish tank, but outside 🙂 What usually happens is that it reduces the effect of the activities done by the ancestors, the residue of which stayed with the family.
Then you have patron saints of the family. Their job is to reduce this intensity from the family karma and give you a peaceful life. If you can go to any traditional family in India, the first food they make in the kitchen is always given to the birds and other animals. They put this little food on the wall outside the kitchen. So squirrels, birds, ants and other insects can all come and eat it. This is for the lineage karma. Some people keep a ball of sugar syrup on the wall or near a tree near the house for bees, ants, etc. This is also for clearance of ancestral karma. I think people in most communities are aware that there is ancestral karma. If you have done good, it will help the coming generations as in the family will be experiencing good things in life. But what do most people do? Eat, drink, sleep and then die (laughs). We don’t do anything substantial for the world or do anything selflessly. Hence, this has a stagnating effect on the whole family.
Purushartha, the structure of human existence
I’ll explain to you the structure with which we, especially in India, have classified or considered our existence in life.
We have the definite definition of human existence. It’s called purushartha. Purushartha essentially means the essence of your existence. It has four aspects. Dharma, Artha, Kama, Moksha. Dharma is righteousness, the right attitude, the right way of living, truthful life. Artha is material support we need for our life such as these clothes, chair, food, etc. Kama… Everybody knows the “Kama Sutras“ so they think Kama means sex. (Audience laughter). It’s not about sexuality, sex is part of it, but it’s not sexuality. What exactly is Kama? It is the desire aspect – the desire for anything in life. Anything which you need, anything which drives you or anything which you want is Kama. Last but not least is Moksha, salvation. You can look at the whole world. You can see Dharma, Artha, and Kama active in any part of the world.
What about Moksha salvation? Who speaks about it? This is why people used to come to India because Moksha is a very important subject in the spiritual ancestry. So Dharma, Artha, and Kama can probably give you a good life. But if the last part is missing, there will be something missing. That means Dharma, Artha, Kama will put you in the cycle of motion – birth, life, death, birth, life, death, birth, life, death. But when Moksha is added, then this changes and eventually you will look at subtler aspects of life. Beyond this existence, you will start feeling, experiencing or aspiring for higher aspects of life. That is where spirituality becomes important. All Masters have acknowledged this fact – salvation has equal importance to life. Liberation has equal importance to existence. Liberation while living has different dimensions to it. After death, what happens? Do we know? Do we care? Does it matter? Will we have next life, is it important? But what we have now is important. So Dharma, Artha, Kama, Moksha are stressing having a good life right now. You must live well. You must experience yourself well.
Millions of things, materials outside, to experience them we have only five senses. This is to experience our life. At one point in time, you can experience only one thing – either happiness or sorrow. Even if you want to experience both, it’s not possible. This is life. In this life, how can you be complete? How can you experience the maximum every day? There is a manual for it, a book. Do you know the book? Anybody? It’s a very important book – how to live, how to have a good life, how to be complete. The name of the book is YOU. The only book you need to read in one lifetime is you. We read every other book, every other person, we have opinions, judgments, criticisms, is it important? Whether you like somebody or not does it matter? Do they care? But if you don’t like yourself, you have a problem. So what do the scriptures say, what should you do as practice? Spend time with yourself.
Spend quality time with yourself. We are eager to spend time with other people. That’s the easiest thing we can do, then we can criticise them, judge them, kick them, but (laughs) that is not important. Please understand. The other person is there because you are there looking at them from the outside. It’s not going to reach anywhere. We keep looking at people outside and we think, “me and other people“. It will not take you anywhere. When will this game end? After a while, you will see nobody outside of you. You will only see yourself. There will be no different people, there will be different forms, expressions, but it’s mine. I’m expressing through another person. How can there be different people? The moment you start shifting your awareness, it’s spontaneous. Please understand that you don’t have to do anything for. Just connect to yourself more and more, you actualize yourself and then you realize, “This is me” in various forms.
A Story: Work hard until you see nothing outside of you
One person went to a great master and said, “I’m tired of these people around me.
The master asked,“Which people?” He said, “All the other people.”
The master asked, “And who are YOU? If you have other people around you, that means you are just your mind. You have work to do until you see nobody outside of you. You have to leave your mind alone until you see nothing outside of you. Work hard, it’s important.”
This is the practice all of us must perform if we walk the path of spirituality. That means connecting to yourself, read yourself, recognize yourself, accept yourself, be yourself. Don’t try to prove to another person. You don’t need anyone else’s approval. Whether people love you or hate you, you cannot change your face. So accept 100 percent and connect to yourself, feel yourself, feel life. This is the secret of being universal. That is also the secret of experiencing purushartha (which is Dharma, Artha, Kama, Moksha) 100 percent. That means you have to be you to experience everything. So I always recommend please spend some time with yourself. Don’t worry about spending time with a spiritual master or something like that. That’s not important, but spending time with yourself is very important. This is something which you must understand. If you take home something from this programme, please take home one word which is acceptance. You can never be somebody else, guaranteed. All other people are already taken! If you want to be somebody else, you would have to take another birth now.
One thing I can tell you. As you evolve more and more into silence, one thing will become clear: we are chasing rainbows all our lives. Another thing which comes to our awareness completely is that we are only entertaining our mind the whole life. We are afraid of our minds. We are entertaining the minds. Mind gets bored so we play with it. We give the mind something to work on. It’s like a restless monkey. It keeps jumping and you have to provide branches for it. So in this whole structure of life, we are just like a servant of our mind and is it worth it? Mind is never satisfied. It can never be satisfied, so is it worth it to spend all the time with the mind?
Secondly, what about ourselves? Have we ever taken care of ourselves in our life? We have taken care of other people and we thought we were doing a favor to them. That’s not important. But have you taken care of yourself? Have you accepted yourself? When did you love yourself last time? Without judgment, without criticising, without comparing with other people. Total acceptance. When did this happen the last time? If you are clear about it, then there is progress. It’s not that there are so many spiritual practices that you do. All the spiritual practices are to empty you, not to add more habits. Most people go into meditation, do various things and add more habits and think that without it they cannot live. Also regarding rituals, they sometimes think,“God needs my ritual. God wants me to come to the church, mosque or temple.”
It’s for us, it’s for emptying ourselves, to remove all thought and make the mind empty. This is what all these practices are for. Once you achieve it, you realize there is nothing to search. When you accept yourself fully, what is your expression? Love without judgment. Because it’s you. Every being is you. You will only see yourself. Sometimes people will think you are crazy. Have you seen, when you walk in the street smiling at a stranger, they will worry why you are smiling, right? They don’t think you are smiling without any reason. Either you should be mad or there is something wrong with their face (Laughs). But you will have no weight when you accept yourself and the expression would be a smile, because you are peaceful.
Why do we carry so much weight?
Have you observed? Have you asked yourself? Number one, because we think we are very important. Number two, we are trying to be somebody else. Number three, we are trying to do too many things. Number four, we count our age and we say, “I’m old, I’m young, I’m a teenager.” These things are all concepts. We keep counting. Fifth, we take responsibility of people who do not want you to take responsibility for them. Six, ownership – my mother, my father, my wife, my husband, my children, my dog, my donkey, plant, tree,… everything. Seven, we think what will happen in the future. This is insecurity. There are so many things, I don’t want to confuse you further. But please understand, are all these things important at all? In this race or in this weight, have you found yourself? Not what your mind finds. Forget about the mind, it is a monkey anyway.
But have you found yourself? Have you connected with yourself? That is the only thing you need to do in this lifetime. That’s why I’m insisting on it. The only one practice you must do in this lifetime so that you don’t take more births, is to connect to yourself, recognizing, accepting, and finding yourself. Acceptance. Accept yourself. Again accept yourself. One more time, accept yourself. Let people call you mad, it doesn’t matter. Let people have any opinion about you, it’s ok. As long as you accept yourself, there’s nothing to worry. Nobody can disturb a person who has accepted themselves completely. Otherwise, we are like dry leaves in the wind. Every emotion will move us. When you give the remote control of your life in somebody else’s hands, they keep changing channels. Keep the remote control with yourself. Please don’t underestimate yourself, you are beautiful in this incarnation. In the next life – I don’t know whether we’ll have the next life – but this life is important, this time is important.
What about religion? Don’t make it a burden. Follow whichever religion suits you, just like you wear the clothes that suit you, just like you eat the food that suits you. Be comfortable. There is nothing high or low or equal, everything is unique. It’s your choice. Do not make anything in life a burden for you. How do you know that something is good for you? Of course, the connection from the heart. More than that, you should feel nice about it. Have you not felt it? For example, you wear a shirt or a dress and you feel good: oh, this is nice, I’m comfortable. That is exactly the feeling. You feel no pressure if something suits you and is good for you. It will be a pleasure, not a pressure. Same with everything in life. Don’t do something because another person is doing it, it probably doesn’t suit you, but you are all comfort-zone oriented without thinking whether it’s suitable to you. Then what happens? Eventually you get frustrated, “Oh, it’s waste of time.”
Have you ever thought that you are complete by birth? Have you ever considered this thought? When?
Audience: When I’m in nature, I feel complete.
M: Yeah. That is because of the material, there is something outside, so you feel complete. I’m talking about you without anything. Without a time, space, people, material, nothing and that you still feel complete. Have you felt it?
Audience: When we were babies?
M: Good idea. Absolutely. When you were small babies, you were complete. No problem, you were spontaneous. They are the true masters, please understand. Small children are true masters. People like me are all useless.
But children… They have no ego, they are true masters. So that proves one thing. You already have mastery in you. This is all I wanted to prove to you today. You are born complete. This is important to know. You already know, but you should remember, that you have been complete by birth. Tell me another time when the time, space, people, material, situations are not needed for you to be happy. Don’t tell me after death.
Audience: In deep sleep state.
M: State of sleep. It is what you experience every day. When you put your mobile phone away, the TV is off, lights are off. You are not worried about food, people, time, anything, you are sleeping and you’re happy. So what did we prove here?
We don’t need Whatsapp or Facebook to be happy.
M: Right or wrong? We have happiness sitting inside us. This is what I’m trying to tell you. You don’t care about your husband, boyfriend, neighbor or anybody while you sleep. You are happy without everybody. When you wake up, you worry about everybody. That’s different. So number one, happiness is within you. You were born complete which was proved by your childhood. Now, every night when we go to bed, when we sleep, we don’t need anything, we are contented. Happiness is inside you. If you remember these things, transfer that same contentment into waking state. Be happy with what you have. Be peaceful with everything. If somebody scolds you, ok, he’s expressing himself. If somebody loves you, this is good. If you handle everything that way, you become a saint, sainthood happens.