Casual Talk with Mohanji at Datta Tapovan – part 2

Questions by Hein and Annette Adamson and Mohanji’s answers

at Datta Tapovan on 25th February, 2013

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Q: We have heard that angels and higher beings are envious of human beings.
A: They need not be envious of us because these are all states which they can come into, too. Human state is not such an enviable state where there is a presence of duality which is sometimes unmanageable, sometimes helpless. So an angel or a higher entity need not be envious. They can create this body, it is not a problem, because this body is created out of the elements, that is why we have to procreate to maintain the species. We need two beings for creation. But in other planes you can create yourself as much as you like. They do not need to be envious as such, but of course, everyone would like to see what is next door, isn’t it? We are never satisfied with ourselves. Everything else is better than us, this is what everybody thinks, but we can’t be generic. You cannot generalise these things. There could be entities of I wouldn’t say higher nature, to think there is lower nature and be envious about it. Because when you are a postgraduate, you will not be envious of first year student because you have already covered that. But there could be curiosity what it is like to be in the human body. This can happen. And they can create it, it’s not a problem. They can choose the right womb and take a birth.

Q: Can you talk to us a little bit about sin?
A: The primary sin is not understanding yourself while existing. That means you waisted your life. If you are able to understand yourself and your true nature while you are existing, there wouldn’t be many sins. And the sins which religions talk about are to make you walk in a proper path. ”Don’t do this, don’t do that…” because then you are not contaminating yourself. So to avoid contamination, there are aspects which are kept as sins, so you will not touch them. This is defined in that way so that it can keep a person walking the path in a more purified way. Actually for me, if you continue in an unconscious state and have a death, and come back, that could be called a sin. Because you did not use your life for higher awareness. If you used your life for higher awareness, and you reach the ultimate, there are no sins.

Q: What is brahmacharya or as I understand it’s a celibacy?
A: It’s again a state. Brahmacharya is a state where you are not controlled by lust or greed or other emotions, where you are stable. But I would personally say that not making love, not having a relationship would not probably help brahmacharya. Enjoying equanimity while existing in every aspect is the right aspect of brahmacharya. That means you are married, you have a family, you have your home, this is brahmacharya because actually you are going through the process where you have all the possible lusts or greed or this kind of things in control, in the sense you have experienced it and you don’t need it, not that you are suppressing it. Whatever you auppress and say, ”Oh I’m the brahmacharya for the sake of something,” this is absolutely wrong. Nobody does anything for others, please understand this clearly. The whole existence, the whole experience called life is for ourselves, not for another person. People may say, ”I do this for you.” It’s a lie. Nobody can do anything for anybody. It’s not like when you get a tea for a person. These are simple expressions of love. Again it is because you enjoy it. So when you say, ”I like to be a brahmacharya,” that means with awareness, you say, ”I’m not interested in many aspects of life,” this is perfect. But when you say, ”I’m a brahmacharya because my religion or guru says so,” that means you are compromising, you are not expressing. Brahmacharya is a state where you attained and you are extremely balanced in that state. People write to me, ”Mohanji I would like to do this for you.” I always write back, ”Please do it for yourself. If you don’t want to do it, don’t do it for me.” Do you know why? Because it is actually an individual expression happening on the Earth. What is the big deal if they do it for me? They may feel the sacrifice, which is basically they are demeaning themselves, being sympathetic to themselves. That’s not the reality. That is why I say with awareness embrace brahmacharya, celibecy. Celibacy is again not abstaining from sex. Abstaining from sex because you don’t need to is good. Abstaining from sex because you cannot have it is bad. Because you are always thinking about it. You abstain from sex because you’ve overcome it, you don’t need it any more. This is ok. But understand the human existence is a little bit more complex than we consider it that way. That means food and sex are built in into the system. Why? Food to continue or evolve the body from childhood till death, and sex to continue the species. This is not true only for human beings, animals do the same. They also get aroused at certain seasons because they want to continue the species as well. These are all part of the creation. Now we say if we are immune to it, overcome it, you have embraced the higher bliss, a perpetual state of bliss, satchitananda, then you may not want to do lower thing like making love because it doesn’t give them so much of pleasure. This is ok, because you have grown beyond it. Then celibacy is automatic, you don’t even have to think you are a celibate. But now what happens is it is more of a theory and we try to put that into the practice and suffer. I don’t understand that. Why do you suppress anything at all? If you are harming another person, it’s definitely not good because somebody is suffering because of you. I never recommend this. Non-violence is what I recommend. But suppression of your basic instincts and out of that you become violent within and violent outside, is this what we are looking for? This is anti-spirituality. You are pulling yourself down. Just like scandalising people. You are pulling yourself down. The person whom you scandalise may forget, but you will never forget. Let us face reality and understand it and move. If you arrived at a state where you may not need certain things, you may abstain from food, you may abstain from breath, air, water or sexual union, this is ok, because you don’t need it any more, you have overcome it. That is real brahmacharya. Be a part of the society, live like a being which you are, like, if you have taken the human body, live like a human. Who stops you? And because of other concepts like ”This Maharshi has been a celibate, he never made love and I want to be like that.” This is immitation. It never works because you don’t know his constitution. He may have liberated himself a long time ago and he reached a state where he is not concerned about anything around him. You can immitate for sure, but you will suffer.

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Q: It is said that the moment of death is one of the most important moments of your life?

A: It’s crucial. Because with death nothing is stopped. Of course the soul carries the impressions, carries the desires, carries all the stuff which will create the next life along with it. But the last emotion the last feeling makes a huge difference in the flavour of the next life. So if the feeling is divine and if it’s peaceful, you have more space and time, like you arrived at the airport in sufficient time, you don’t have to rush through. Similarly, you arrive at particular plane and you transcend in peace. And you definitely have your agenda to travel, this is important, that is why the next life. If you don’t have agenda, you don’t have to come back at all. But imagining that there is an agenda and you are having a desire to move to the higher plane. When you are travelling, the last particular emotion has a lot of value. This is why every religion, every scripture says, “Do not even consider suicide.” Because the soul can exit through the nine holes of our system: eyes, ears, nose, mouth, genitals. So when suicide happens, what happens? The soul exits through the lower. Where did the soul enter the head? At the top of the head. That is why newborns have very soft top of the head. So the soul enters the body through the top of the head. If you can take it further out through the same… that is why. How did the top of the head harden? Because of conditionings, ego, identifications, wrong identifications, everything made us hard. The whole spirituality is about attaining ability to bring the soul back to the top of the head and leave. Then you don’t come back because you are leaving by choice. You will not come back. But if committing a suicide, which is total non-understanding of existence, you cannot face the situation, so you want to die. That doesn’t solve anything because you’ll come back in a much more bizarre situation, with more agony. When the soul exits through the lower openings, it usually enters into the nearest womb possible, because it is confused, it doesn’t know what to do, it can be a pig’s body or any such body. Likewise they say, if you scandalise saints, scandalise people, scriptures say, 80 million wombs of the Earth are waiting for them. Why? Because the consciousness they are operating in only allows them to go to such wombs which are of much lower consciousness, like centipedes, or millipedes, or any creature which needs a lot more time to evolve into higher, not even like a lion or tiger. So you have to go through the process because you pulled your consciousness down. You pulled your awareness down. Lack of awareness led you to such actions. If you are fully aware, you’ll be fine. You will have no problem because all are individual expressions. In case we are talking about, the last emotion or feeling has a lot of value. This has to be achieved through consistent practice, while we are living. We should practise sufficiently in a particular direction so that when we are exiting it’s not a new thing, which means when you rehearse well, you can perform well on the stage. Similarly, when you rehearse well, the last stage of your will be beautiful.

Q: So we have to learn how to die?

A: Yes, learn how to die.

Emotions

Learn to live with emotions. Understand that emotions are like waves of the ocean. They come and go. Leave them, let them come and go. Don’t be too preoccupied with emotions. Because we stand and judge everything and that actually multiplies it. Ok, I become angry, and it’s gone, now I’m not angry. Like that, if you are able to flow through emotions, without binding them, judging them, censoring them, criticising them, then they will go. They will still come, but let them go because multiplication will not happen. Otherwise you hold an emotion, nurture it and make it a tree. Then you don’t know what to do with it. If it is just a small fruit, you can handle it in your hand. Once you plant it and start nurturing it with energy, it becomes a tree. That becomes your character, and it also b ecomes your binding!

Q: And if emotion is in karma…?

A: That suspended state is chosen. There are two reasons. One is that that is probably the experience which whoever is associated with them have to go through. Number two, they still have time for another birth so that they would like to be among their known people. There are many other possibilities, but these are two. Another possibilitiy is that their data entry was in a confused way. Whatever they assimilated as their character, as their conditioning was in a confused way, confused data entry, so jumbled up so that the life stopped. Like if your hard drive of your computer is full of data, the computer becomes very slow. And if it crashes, it’s a suspended state.

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Charity

Q: Selfless service – if we help someone in need, do we ever give up on a person?

A: We should never give up on anybody. But understand that there are people who like to hang on us. They become dependent on us. This is not good charity. Good charity is keeping people liberated while we are liberated. So you help a person, hold his hand as long as he needs, for allowing smooth movement which means hold the child’s hand as long as he learns walk. When it walks itself, you don’t hold it any more.

Q: And if somebody is not prepared to change and you can see it isn’t happening?

A: Your duty is to show the way. Your duty is to create the bed for him, sleep has to happen. It is not up to you. You cannot interfere in an individual constitution or karma, this is impossible, because you have yours to handle. But as a compassionate being, as an expression you say, “Come here, i will hold your hand as long as you learn to walk.” But the idea shopuld be very clear. We should clearly know what we are doing. That means anything that creates dependency is binding. It binds you as well. So your state of liberation is affected just like his, so we should be aware of it. Continuous feeding is not a good idea. But at the same time if you are able to help a person to find the light, what else can you offer to the world? So charity should be well understood, not just act spontaneously without thinking.

Q: Is there one profound message that you would like to say?

A: Liberation. Use the time to liberate yourself. Get out of bindings. Anything that binds you such as a habit, a person, a surrounding, a situation, a place, or comfort zones. Enjoy the comfort zones, but do not be dependent on them. I’m not saying don’t enjoy life. Enjoy life. Life is for enjoying. But you should not be bound by it. When things start binding you, you cannot be liberated. But when you are able to handle everything in a liberated way, this is beauty of existence. E.g. “If this thing is here or not, I’m happy, if the person is available or not, I’m happy. I’m happy whichever way I am, but everything adds value to that happiness.” This is a beautiful situation. Being rich is having everything but not needing anything. But if you look around, most of the rich people are bound by their money. They cannot move. They are like watchmen of their property. They do not enjoy. They are full of fears. The most of the celebrities are in cages. They cannot move without bodyguards. They are vulnerable. Is this exactly what we are looking for in life? We must ask this question all the time. What is liberation? Liberation is not entertaining anarchy or doing things in a bizarre way. That is not liberation. That is again binding because you are expressing things in a wrong way. Liberation is a state where you are fine the way you are, no matter the circumstances, people, situations, positions. Otherwise everything becomes a burden including money, including people. Intellect is a big binding. We learn a lot and we don’t know what to do with it. We try to live it. It’s somebody’s information, it’s not ours and then we fall flat on the face. Liberation is a very large subject, but you have to access yourself, and grow from there. That is why I always say, Understand yourself, this is the biggest understanding you can ever have. Understand yourself in all aspects, e.g. “I am getting angry, I am getting egoistic, I am having fears, I have various emotions…” Understand everything and accept them. Then you reach a stage where you say, “I am none of this.” Then you will start realising what aspect of you is real, which is God, the only permanent aspect is god aspect. That has to happen from within. You cannot get it from outside nor can any guru take you by the hand and give you. He can guide you saying that this is the reality, look at it.

Q: And the love you have for all of us, can you explain it to us?

A: It has to be experienced, not explained.

Q: Because your love is absolutely the same for everyone.

A: It should be. I hope so 🙂 Because if at one moment I start discriminating, then the quality goes down. Purity is dissolved. To maintain purity, I need to be extremely in equanimity, in 100% objectivity. I call a spade a spade, I give love without any restrictions. Even if I scold somebody this is with love, not because I want to hurt somebody. So the power from where you operate is absolute. There is nothing stopping you, because all the expressions are expressions of love. Anger, ego, whatever you want to express, it’s stemming out of love for higher good of the person or the receiver. This is important so you cannot have discrimination. When you look at a person, you see yourself. Another expression of myself is him. So where is discrimination? How can you discriminate? It’s impossible. Limited mind only does that. When you are unlimited mind, you cannot have higher and lower. In front of god or guru all are the same. All are just packages of various constitution. Accept them the way they are.
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Recorded and transcribed by Biljana Vozarevic

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Casual Talk with Mohanji at Datta Tapovan – part 1

Questions by Hein and Annette Adamson and Mohanji’s answers

at Datta Tapovan on 25th February, 2013

Mohanji at Datta Tapovan Feb 2013God

Q: Hello Mohanji, it’s absolute privilege to be here. Thank you for taking time to give us some clarity and answer our questions. First, what is god?

A: God is substratum. The energy out of which everything formed and eventually everything will dissolve. If you want to see god, you have to see the whole universe. Or, whatever you see in front of you is god. There is nothing apart from god, and everything eventially merges into god. God is not a form such as a human being, or any form that matter. But many forms represent god. Every form represents god. So if you would like to experience god, you have to experience yourself first, that is you are the universe. You are indeed a universe and you have the constitution of the whole universe, including seasons like spring, summer, the youth is spring, the middle is summer and the old is winter. Like that we are representing the whole universe. This is what we call the truth of existence where the whole cycle of creation is expressed through us. So if you start understanding yourself, deleting the emotions, deleting the microaspects of you, and start seeing the macro aspect of you, you will see that everyday life which you perceive outside of you is actually within you. If you understand that you understand the level at which god operates, which means all the activities, all the creation is within Him. And every creation has a duration. Nothing is permanent, everything has a validity, everything is like a projection, and everything is withdrawn when the show is over. The whole universe is a projection out of god. The god is substratum. God is material with which the universe is created. And when the material dissolves back, it dissolves back into god. There is nothing which is not god. God is everything.

Religion vs. spirituality

Q: What is the difference between religion and spirituality?

A: Religion actually started with man. Religion is part of man. So what is the religion of god, have you ever thought? God is the same, but perceptions are different. Each individual has an inherent individual constitution and it’s exclusive to himself or herself. In such a situation everybody cannot understand everybody. Everybody will not follow every guru. There will be preferences, there will be individual choices where people can appreciate certain path, certain god, certain religion. So religions are formed as part of the quest of man to find himself and then to find god. The question has been, “Who am I?” Si it took the person, the individual, the mankind in search of certain awareness and took them through such paths, and then eventually they became religions. There have been prophets, there have been saints who went beyond the box and identified certain aspects of themselves and then they formulated certain system, so that people can understand or appreciate themselves in whichever level, and then from there, they can understand god. So religion would be more or less like a pattern, particular agenda or particular method through which you can explore god or explore yourself. First explore yourself and explore god. Religion has various aspects. It caters to a person who is of intellectual nature, they wanted to know everything on the intellectual plane and only then they can understand god, or will accept god. Some people are emotional by nature, they want devotion as the means to reach god so this is catered as well. Some people like to serve people, they are good-hearted, and through service they find themselves and they find god. Every religion is a concoction of all these aspects. And then some of the people will explore further, they go beyond to the level, “Fine, I’ve done all these rituals, and I haven’t been quite satisfied. I should actually experience god.” These are the people who get filtered from the usual path of religions and they grow higher. That would be very few. Because people usually get stuck with rituals, and they feel that if they don’t do the rituals, or if they are away from the rituals, there is some problem.

DSC00561So man created religions. Man created the aspects of god in forms which they can understand or relate to. You cannot relate to something which is alien to you. If I give you food which you have never tasted before, you may taste it, but you may not appreciate it or you may not accept it. Likewise, every person has a constitution and according to the constitution only they can appreciate something. A person who has no inclination towards alcohol, even if you give the best alcohol, it is of no use for them. Likewise there are various types of religions so that various types of people are catered to. Some religions instill a lot of fear. Many times people today are bound by religions because of fear. That’s not the right path, because god should actually be the fearlessness. You should love god, not fear god. Fearing god is basically a kind of compulsive or degenerated kind of worship. Because if you love god and are god, you understand god. If you fear god, god is outside of you and something which you are afraid of. And that fear makes you work. That means you are a slave. That is anti-liberation. You cannot be liberated when you are a slave, because you accepted the slavery. If god is an entity which is kindness, which is love, and you be that and when you become one with that constitution of god, you merge with god, there is no you any more. This is the way towards the path of liberation. That means you and god are one, there is nothing to worship outside of you because you became the part of the constitution which is god, part of larger awareness which is god. So from limited awareness of limited entity, to the unlimited awareness of god, it’s a transition. As you transcend this, you actually feel god, you feel love, you feel the reality, the truth. So all the religions are based on one truth, but paths are different because they cater to different sets of people. I can never say something is good or something is bad, it’s relative. For some people something is suitable. Like some food is good for someone and is poison for another. It’s like that. We can’t say which religion is good or bad, but it’s created by man. This is part of exploration of man or the quest to know who he is and what god is. This is how all religions are formed and continue. And whatever is not adaptable to the changes of the situation because life changes all the time, dies off. Something which cannot endure time goes. Because all the philosophies are nice, because they have been given by people who are enlightened. These have been delivered by prophets or guides who have seen god. All these scriptures, various guiding books or guiding principles that we learn every day have been delivered by people of great depth, big people, big in the sense of spiritual level, highly enlightened. They have always tried to deliver whatever is good for mankind. But understand one thing. They have all been addressing a particular set of people who were their contemporaries. So they used the kind of language, they used the kind of ideas or things that they can understand and probably kept rules and regulations which are suitable for their community, or that particular society which they were moving in. Adaptability is required as the time grows. You have to adapt to new situations, new set of people, evolve the set of people, and bring them up higher. Often what happens is interpretations become a problem. Coming generations have to interpret what the predecessors have said, and cater to the new set of people. But what happens is the person who interprets may not be of the level of the enlightenment of the creator, the one who created this first. So distortions happen in religion. When distortions happen to the message, calamities happen. What is originally understood, when it is delivered becomes another subject. That can create alienation, that can create anarchy, this is a problem. Everyone needs to explore themselves individually, not to follow like one cow follows another. That is not a good idea because you are closing your mind. Some people say, “My guru is the best guru, everyone else is bad.” This is not true. Everyone has their guru. Everyone has their god, their religion. Everything is good for them, it may not be good for us, but it’s ok because there are seven billion people in the world, seven billion unique combinations. When we have all these people and all these constitutions to work with, every religion should be adaptable. Because you cannot give one medicine for all the diseases. A general tonic cannot cure, it can probably keep you well. So you have to find your concoction that cures you. This is an individual responsibility. We always miss this because we follow the crowd.
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Heaven and Hell

Q: Could you talk to us a little about heaven and hell, and where heaven is and where hell is?
A: As far as human beings are concerned, both are states of existence. Whatever contracts your mind, whatever makes you negative, whatever makes you restricted or lower, in the lower level of awareness, is hell. Lack of awareness is hell. The shift in consciousness where you are tapping into a higher awareness, where you are able to see in 360 degrees, this is heaven. These are two states of human existence. Heaven is not apart from you, nor hell is apart from you. This is your choice. You can be in heaven or in hell, it depends on how you operate. If you operate with your limited mind, which has ego, which has anger, jealousy, frustrations, then you are operating in hell. If you are operating in the higher which is kindness, love, compassion, this is heaven. So what happens is, even if you are suffering or going through pains, encountering obstacles, etc… you will not be affected, because your plane of operation is kindness, love, compassion. So heaven and hell are aspects of you.
If you look at the whole universe setup, there are places like Earth is one of the gross planes where you have a body, mind, intellect to express and experience. But there are places where you are not created through elements, or an entity is not represented through elements. In such a situation you can say this is more of a heavenly operation because the pains and tears-and-wears of our existence does not happen there. So this is another aspect of the thinking. But why don’t we go there? Because all our desires are based on earth. How can you go? This is why. It’s not because it is not accessible to you. It is provided, but your desires are related to earth. People want to fall in love, get married, have children and everything here. So you have to come to this plane for that! But if it’s the other way round, you are already connected to the higher plane where you don’t really have to care about your body, you have no desires related to earth, then in that case you will go there. That is a perpetual heavenly state, where you have zero desires, and you are perpetually in a bliss state. When desires are not there, bliss always settles in. Desires make us do things which we may probably not want to do. There are permutations and combinations, you can analyse an individual with lots of desires, fears, anger, jealousy and such lower qualities, and a set of people who have no desires, whom we call the saints and sadhus. They can access anything they like, but they don’t need anything. This is a super state of richness. It’s not the money that you have, it’s a state in which you are operating. You have everything, but you don’t need anything. You are fine the way you are. This is power, real power.
So heaven and hell are states which you can create and you can uncreate. It’s not a place where you are put, like an old-age home, ha, ha, like, you go there and sit. Then what next? Nothing, just sit. That can’t be heaven! Ha, ha, you have no utility. Merging completely with Father, the highest consciousness, is bliss because as an identity, as an entity you do not exist. But you can choose to be coming back as well, and still be in bliss, no problem. Because if you convert you operating level only on unconditional love, where desires are minimal, and also you would like to serve people, you would like to experience the existence through service or being good to people, wanting to help people, and expressing only at that level, that time, you are fine, you are in heaven already here, while existing. This can also be called liberated existence, where you are existing without attachments, without desires. And then when you leave the body, you will automatically reach there because you are going from the plane of detachment and you are arriving at the plane of detachment. So when the question comes, ”Would you like to go back?” You may say, ”No. I’m fine.” So you already graduated to a different plane. This is the way to evolve. Just like an animal, born through human’s birth to the higher, like that we can transform ourselves to a higher plane by reducing the desires, reducing clutter, being simple, and then when we leave the body, we leave the body in peace. We leave the body with absolute awareness. That means we exit through the place where we came from, through the top of the head at will. Not through the mouth when the time comes to go. So we can bring the soul back to the top of the head and exit. Then you may choose not to come back. You may say, ”I’m fine. This is what I wanted to experience on earth, thank you very much, I’m grateful, I’m going.

Mohanji quote - You can be in heaven and hell it depends onQ: Won’t a person shift then to laziness or restlessness?

A: Once you leave like that it will not happen. Laziness and restlessness are related to the earth plane because you have dualities to play with. Once you are in perpetual state where the awareness is in 360 degrees, it’s total, there cannot be any restlessness possible. Because you are in a perpetual state of bliss. In that state it is very difficult to have restlessness or anxiety or fear. Fears are always happening in the lower mind level. It cannot happen in the higher intellect level or higher awareness level.

Q: And when one has an intention to leave all desires, even that’s a desire, isn’t it?

A: It’s a desire, but it is a better desire than having a desire of possessions, relationships, ego-related stuff. But leaving desires is probably a crude way of thinking because you cannot actually leave anything. You can go through it and overcome it. That means, you have a desire for an icecream. By looking at the picture of an icecream, that desire will not go away. You have to experience it. So desires do not just vanish. You can suppress them, but that is not solving the problem. Suppression is always postponement. The more you suppress, the more births you will take. Because they all come out in silence. Just like fears, whatever fears you suppress, they come out when the mind is silent. That is why some people hate meditation. Because they bring back all their fears which have been lying supressed, and not only fears, all emotions, all various feelings which have been supressed, come out when the silence settles in. So before the silence actually settles in, you have to eradicate all this 🙂 How do you eradicate? Observe them, leave them. Likewise you cannot through desires out. You have to experience them, at least in the modest way. Experiencing them in a modest way means be fully aware what you are doing. Be in the present. Enjoy every moment. In that way, if you experience, it will not come back. You don’t have to do it again. Otherwise, you are unconscious about the activity, it gets repeated. That becomes a habit. E.g. smoking a cigarette, be with the cigarette till the last part. Then you feel, ”I have done. I have had enough.” Next cigarette will not happen at least. Otherwise you can see people smoking and smoking. Why? Because all this activity way unconscious. Your mind has not actually registered nor enjoyed. Leaving desires is more easily said than done. You have to go through the experience, but experience it with awareness so that it doesn’t come back, you are happy with the result, then it goes away from your system. That is the way it should be.

Mohanji quote - Give back to mother EarthQ: And if one wants to be desireless, and becomes apathetic and doesn’t want to do anything, just sits and becomes useless?

A: Usually what happens is when desires are replaced with love, love is existing always, but it is not expressing because of the desires which are overloaded. So when desires are reduced, love starts expressing. Usually the thought would be, ”I would like to be away from this mess.” This is ok, but understand one thing. As long as you are using this platform called Earth, to experience whatever you are experiencing or expressing, you may have to pay the dues. You cannot check out of the hotel without paying the bills. So you have to impart your knowledge, or impart your kindness in some way. This is what we call service. This is why all religions say you should serve people, serve animals, serve birds, serve environment. Because then whatever you have attained, stays. Otherwise you will have to come back to pay the rent later. That could be painful, that means another birth. Better not to take that.

Q: Thank you… if god is the beginning and god is the end, what’s the point of everything in the middle?

A: If you are the only person existing in this world, how will you know yourself? If god is substratum, everything has come out of god, but how does god understand himself? As an expression, there needs to be duality. There needs to be relativity. Through relativity you can understand, that which is not this is that. That way, start with duality and come back to unity. This is a perfect awareness of what god is. In this context, if you continue to analyse yourself, you will understand that more, ”I’ve always be in search of something which is already within me. I’m not apart from that.” But how does that understanding come? When the quest is reaching the level of snag, let’s say, ”What is this? I’m not getting it?” That’s the time when you look inside. You have always been looking outside, we have visited many temples, places thinking god is there. Of course, there is the power there. But then again you come back to yourself and ask, ”Did I see god? Did I actually touch him? Is this god outside of me whom I can actually touch?” If you do not have duality, if you do not have relativity, if you do not have a relationship, this is just a mystery. I cannot understand myself alone, I need to understand myself in context in relation to, or in the realm of relativity. That is why god has intelligently created duality. But it also gives room to transcend duality and come back to unity. And when you come back to unity, you are not missing anything or you are getting everything fulfilled. And even in duality in perfect awareness, you can actually enjoy the unity which is god, ”I am that” coming back to you, there is nothing apart from you. That is why every person has the same potential. Every person is the same, all are expressions of god. Every drop of the mother ocean has the same particulars as mother ocean. Nobody is higher, nobody is lower, the only thing is that constitution is different so the awareness is different. You do not know, simple. That is why gurus come as road signs and say this is the way. Again, they do not insist you should go that way. They say you can travel this way, and you can reach your true self. And if the true self is identified, it will not be outside of you. It will be inside of you. Then you will see that all the things around you are within you. Everything is your expression, so you cannot kill or harm yourself, right? If something is an extension of you, you may feel disconnected, that will cease to exist. There is no disconnection. Everything is you. So god has created this beautiful system of duality so that creativity is possible, love is possible, expressions are possible, and through expressions elevation is possible. This is the most important thing. Through various things, I’m not that, this is not that, and through that finally evolve into the state where, ”I’m everything. I’m god. God is me. God is not outside of me.” To that full awareness. First is the awareness of the self, the petrol that runs the car, or the soul that runs the body, to the awareness that the soul is the child of the main god we are talking about, the god which is formless, omnipresent and energy with intelligence, with unlimited powers. We have the same. We do have. But we do not know how to use it because we are stuck with our limited consciousness. This is why.

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Recorded and transcribed by Biljana Vozarevic

Steps to God

Skype satsang with Mohanji in Serbia, 30th November, 2014

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Q: I have a question related to pyramids in Bosnia. I have heard that there is a special crystal within the Arunachala mountain which is supposed to be activated at the end of the Kali yuga. Is there anything of that sort within the pyramids in Bosnia because they have been inactive for so long and now they have been discovered? Do you think it is somehow related to the Kali yuga?

A: Who said that Arunachala crystals are inactivate? That is the same with Puttaparthi. The whole lower region (of the earth at such holy places) is full of crystal stone which preserves and releases energy, which protects and rejuvenates, which nourishes – because when there are most crystals in one place it becomes a power center.

Q: But now maybe time has come to reveal these places, to reveal these crystals?

A: Ha ha, it’s a chicken and egg question. It is already and always revealed right from the conception but we are not able to see them because our frequency is not matching. Those whose frequency matched or those who could identify it made these power centers their home and detached from the negative world.

It is like maybe there is a big power center in our neighborhood but we are not able to see them until somebody shows us, right? It is similar. The power centers of the world have always been existing. If you look where the saints are conglomerating, or where the real saints are living, that is the place with powerful energy. That is why Arunachala, Kailash, Puttaparthi… all these places attract people because of the power in that area and that’s mostly related to crystals. I think it is similar in Bosnia. Even though pyramids are often man-made or constructed by beings from somewhere, the place which attracted the pyramids, the ground is probably made of crystals.

BosnianPyramidofSunQ: I have heard that there are even pyramids in Serbia?

A: Certain mountains of Serbia have crystal deposit, there are crystals. Serbia has also reasonable power centers, not major power centers, but in a subtle way they are helping the country. They are energizing the country. Yes, there will be more pyramids, it’s not only in Bosnia, but different invasions destroyed various things because religious invasions have always destroyed things. It could be the reason why some of them are not visible.

Q: What happens in our inner world when we do process of meditation in such places?

A: There are major seven chakras, major seven transformers which are vertical in our system. And there are seven chakras which are of higher nature right from the third eye till the top of the head, sahasrara, and also seven behind, like an umbrella. Creation has happened based on gunas, right? Sattwa, rajas, tamas gunas, the combination of these gunas is the basis for creation as well as character. When you sit in the middle of the pyramid, when the energy is directed onto the ”umbrella” which is on our head, (they are actually called centers, not chakras, but I would call them chakras because they also transmit) it helps alignment of our sheaths (Kosas) and helps liberation. Whatever transmits is a chakra. Normal word for the upper “chakras” is adhar, which means the basis, but I prefer to call it chakras because they are both platform and transmitters. When you sit under the pyramids, when energy is focused on this umbrella, when energy is on the top of the head, seven on the front and seven behind, it kinds of pulls the kundalini up. It enhances the upward movement of kundalini or the primal energy, or the shakti energy. From the root – it comes up to the top. That is why meditation under a pyramid has much more value. The pyramids help your meditation. Gunas or creation on the terrestrial level is only up to the third eye, and from there when energy starts moving upward, it’s nirguna, which means gunaless state. Once you transcend third eye, you are in gunaless state. You may not see much literature about it in the google. It is very difficult to get this information. But roughly I can say when the energy moves from the third eye, and there is a chakra called bodini, when it touches bodini, immediately the spark of enlightenment happens, the awakening happens. And above bodini, there is a chakra or a platform called kailas. Kailas means stillness. When the energy touches kailas, then the whole mind becomes still. Mind is immovable then. The mind stops existing. This is just for understanding. While you are meditating in a pyramid or a center of power, these are the places which get activated. Why these places get activated is because chakras have functional role to keep organs functional and alive. They are transmitters of energy for existence of beings on earth. Most of the vertically situated chakras are functional chakras and are affected by situations, emotions and are flexible. They are guna chakras and hence all these chakras have functional roles. The upper ones do not have functional role. Its role is just to elevate your consciousness.

Q: I have made a firm decision about sadhana, or routine in daily life that I would like to change, and then there is a kind of mind’s sabotage or something preventing this from happening, obstacles that I almost forgot what I wanted, as if it was not meant to happen. Shall I just accept it as if it was not given or…?trigoddess-aadi.png

A: It’s not so. In our tradition, there are aspects about the Goddess, or that is what the Goddess delivers, Iccha shakti, Kriya shakti, Jnana shakti, the will power. Then action power, and then the knowledge power. All these powers are within us. E.g. if you are connected to mother Mary, if you surrender it all to mother Mary and say, ”With your blessing I’m doing it.” Then it will happen faster. Because your ego will be very low. Your personal analysis  whether it is mind, body, emotion, etc will not affect you much. Because you are doing it for the sake (on behalf) of God or you are surrendering it to God.

Q: How to know that I received spiritual guidance? How to establish this communication in a tangible way?

A: Eligibility. We have to increase our eligibility to receive. Eligibility is equal to operating frequency. And if you really want to connect to the higher beings of the really white path, of benevolent nature, you must operate in unconditional love. The lower frequencies are anger, hatred, judgement, gossip, jealousy, these are all lower frequencies. Even if you are partially involved with this frequency, you cannot receive message from the real higher. Mohanji quote World craves for gossip

We must first of all avoid contact with the lower frequencies of any level such as anger, jealousy, gossip, hatred, judgement, we should actually detach from such people. And then we should cultivate unconditional love. We should express kindness, compassion, then such entities will start working with you and through you.

Q: There are people we cannot avoid and who are of such frequency. How to help them or deal with them?

A: Equalise, compensate with positive action, positive words. It’s not that they are with you for 24 hours. They are not transfering into you for 24 hours. If it’s unavoidable, if you have to take it, take it but at the same time don’t eat it. Don’t consume it. Negativity is like poison. One drop of poison can spoil one bucket of milk. Normally what I do is if I know there is somebody talking about other people, gossiping, I would tell them clearly that I’m not interested. I don’t want to know. Sometimes it’s better that you keep one stand and say, ”I’m not interested in talking about other people or talking about certain situations, rather let’s talk about something which is creative or something which is of higher nature, like kindness, compassion, love, what we can do for other people, what we can do for the country, how we can raise the consciousness of the people, how we can raise the awareness in the country. Such discussions you can entertain, and such groups can be formed while you say to the people who are just pulling you down with negative or lower frequency, just tell them, ”I’m not interested. I don’t want to know.” Say it repeatedly, gently, with kindness and love, they will not talk to you about it anymore.

Mohanji quote Do not entertain emotions and negativity from anyoneQ: We as women have been imposed this male principle of action. How can we balance this and develop and nurture the feminine quality in ourselves?

A: Feminine quality is motherhood. Express motherhood. The real feminine quality in every woman is motherhood. This is exactly what you should express. And world needs it, the world needs motherhood. Motherhood means home, it’s nourishment, rejuvenation. Motherhood is very much necessary in the world now.

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The world needs the motherhood aspect – home, nourishment, rejuvenation

Q: Why do I feel that no practice (meditation, yoga, mantra, anything) can actually bring us to God. It may improve our awareness, make us aware of many things, but that final touch, the ultimate union with God has nothing to do with our human desires, opinions, etc. Where does this feeling come from? I doubt that I may have been feeling this way only out of laziness or because of not wanting to take responsibility. Please, help me clear this doubt.

A: It can prepare us and make us eligible for God.There is a truth in this question. In fact all these practices, whether it is chanting, kriya, meditation, knowledge path, they are all like paths, techniques, preparation. The ultimate god connection happens only at the right time. When you are equanimous towards the world, and its activities, when desires which are connected to the earth are less, when you have nothing to do here, that time you merge with god. Otherwise god is only a concept.
If you look at our life, matter supports only matter, food only supports the gross aspect of us. Air that we breathe only supports the air balance in us. Water replenishes the water element in us. Like that, an activity which is of higher nature, such as chanting, service to the people and the society, knowledge, all the kriyas, they all take you to a different dimension. And this dimension is getting closer to god – or increasing our eligibility. Dimension is not god, but they are aiding to reach god. So it is important to practice, otherwise you will lose track. Mind will create obstacles so that you do not do it and it pulls you down to the level of earth and sometimes reduces the frequency, too. It is important to do things. Just like taking a bath, if you don’t take a bath every day it will be difficult for other people to come near you. It is important that we practice something so that we are in tune in the track, in the path. Even though you know this practice is not god, practice leads you to god because nullification happens, emptiness happens, then the energy gets filled in. When everything is nullified, there is only god.

Mohanji quote - Herculean effortQ: What is your opinion of The Book of Knowledge?

A: Normally I do not give opinion of any books. It is individualistic. You can read what suits you. Because every book is somebody’s opinion, and I do not personally have any opinion on any books.

Q: This book has been downloaded from the consciousness by a lady in Turkey.

A: Yes, but it is given to somebody, right? Why don’t you develop it yourself from inside? You have the same eligibility and talent. When you are totally nullified from inside, you are only knowledge.The real knowledge is what happens from inside. And that is the only knowledge which actually transforms you. Real knowledge is something which transforms you, not the knowledge that stays in the brain as theories and concepts. You know that there is god, but if you are not experiencing god, what is god to you? It’s similar. Unless knowledge becomes your experience, knowledge is just knowledge sitting up there in your head. I always encourage people to experience, so that every bit of experience has value much more that anybody’s information. In the Vedas they say that you can read or practice the Vedas so that you can reach your true destination. The moment you reach somewhere, you should burn the Vedas. It is not literally burning, it means you should not carry it. Like you are using the boat to cross the river, once you cross the river you are not carrying the boat, right? So real knowledge is knowledge which happens from inside. That means it is not always available (like in your head) but when you need it it is available. I’m not saying any book is good or any book is bad. Everything has its relevance. Every book has its relevance, every person has his/her relevance, every material has relevance, so nothing is wasted on earth. But there are different types of people, different shapes, different forms, different height, and different types of food or clothes that suits different people, like that different books suit different people. So if this book suits you, please go ahead and read it because it is a kind of gratification. I do not normally comment on any books because people will say Mohanji said this, so it is very important. bhakti_bhaav_radha-krishna

Q: What is the difference between emotion of love and bhakti, i.e. useless emotion which prevents growth and the feeling which boosts growth?

A: The clarified emotion is devotion. That is butter is melted, and melted and becomes ghee. Like that, when you clarify your emotion, make it milder, milder and milder, and subtler, and subtler, it becomes devotion. Emotion is usually towards a person, a thing or a situation. But devotion is towards the consciousness.

Mohanji quote Higher awareness and unconditional loveRecorded and transcribed by Biljana Vozarevic