The interview with Jolita Kelias
J: Mohanji, there’s so much love around you. I’ve spent more than a week in Oman, and whenever I think of you, whenever I see you, I smile from within. How are you aware of that love? How do you feel?
M: It is spontaneous. It is not articulated, but it exists. And it is felt all over. Whatever you try to articulate, has always limitations. Whatever you spontaneously express, stays forever. Just like the sun. The sun does not shine and look at the border lights. Sun shines all over. And the sunshine’s unmistakable. So, like that, love is a continuous activity, flow, and you don’t need to do anything specific, to create love. Be love.
J: So you are love, and that’s why I receive love.
M: Whatever you express in the world, you receive in multiplicity. So, if you choose to express love, you get love in return. Whatever you sow, that you reap. So, it is important to sow love.
J: The number of people coming to you, from Italy, from around the world, has grown. Even me, far away from Europe came to see you. Have you ever envisioned whatever mission that you are here to accomplish?
M: I do not plan anything, nor do I envision something related to what I do or how I live. I am spontaneous. I give love spontaneously. And I act spontaneously. I do not think or plan various things ahead. It is not possible, actually, because when we think or plan, in which consciousness you operate? This is more important. If you are operating from the plane of mind, it is going to be quite shallow, not having a deeper impact. When you are operating from the consciousness, from a much higher level, your spontaneity will remain at the same time. You are not stressed out to behave in a certain way. I do not envision anything about myself or my mission in particular. Things have happened and things will happen further. People will be receiving love or they will be feeling it and they will feel it further too.
J: You are an ordinary man living an extraordinary life. You combine material world with spiritual world. You live in material world, you pay taxes, you go to work, because you decided not to be dependent on anyone, at least financially, and also in your free time, you do spiritual work, this wonderful work, every day, every night, every evening. And people come to you for healing, for your presence, for your advice. How do you deal with this pressure, Mohanji?
M: Well, first of all, there is no pressure. As I said – spontaneity. When we feel we are doing something, we have a pressure. When things happen through you, we don’t have a pressure. Just like, for example, your heartbeat pumping up your blood. Are you pressured about it? You will not be. Why? Because you are not consciously doing it. Subconscious is doing it, isn’t it? Your digestion is happening properly, blood is circulating properly, breathing is happening spontaneously, we are not pressured for any of this. Just like that, when expression is love, and the mission is in your blood, it is all spontaneous, there is no pressure. When people come, they can get what they came for. But if it is a selfish thing, selfish interest, it may not happen. Likewise, there is a large substratum of operation which we hardly see, we see only our perspective. But, take the whole universe, so much activity is happening, so many thoughts are integrated, so many emotions, so many feelings, so many desires in the universe. Everything will not become fruit, everything will not happen by itself. So, whatever is supposed to happen in the right perspective, there are so many permutation combinations at work before the event happens. So, before the event happens, all these configurations have to be in perfect order for the event to take place. Likewise, activities are happening through me, and will continue to happen through me. And I’m not really stressed out to perform, because I have nothing to prove. I keep doing that spontaneously and it goes through me. People are getting experiences and it is influencing lives in the positive way. This is thanks to the Almighty.
M: Yes. That is the only thing which stays. Your experience is true to you. It may not be true to another person. Likewise, when you read something, this is somebody else’s information or somebody else’s experience or idea. Until that becomes your own, until it’s put into your own system, and experienced by yourself, it doesn’t become yours. It’s still somebody else’s words. So, we cannot own things based on what we know from the books or from an outsider. Until a thing becomes your own experience, you never own it, isn’t it? So, the experience is a place from where you can start your journey. Just like I can start walking from where I sit, I can’t start walking from another distance. Another person is sitting there. He can walk from there, I cannot. So limited we are. When you say, I know about it. Do you buy it? Do you feel it? Or do you experience it? We have to think like that. Once we know, ‘This is my experience and I have to start walking from there’, and never discard your experience at any cost. Sometimes we discard our own experience for the sake of somebody else’s words. This is a big mistake. Because your experience is unique to you. It is never unique to another person, it’s never the same to another person.
J: Sometimes people do things, but we think we have been mistaken or that we have just been imagining an experience, especially when we share experiences with other people and society or whoever who are not familiar with this kind of thing would say, ‘Oh, you have just imagined it.’
M: That is why I always say, lead by example. If you try to articulate, ‘Listen, I had an encounter with Jesus, Jesus was speaking to me’, what will people call you?
M: Yes. ‘You are hallucinating. You are not real.’ So, instead, if that experience is real for you, if you have actually spoken to Jesus, it would have happened as a transformation from within. You would have transformed. You would have actually changed. If you communicate with the higher entity; definitely, 100%, change has to happen from within. Your vibratory level would have changed. Your subtlety would have increased. So, it has to happen! This is the law of the nature! If you have to stock to some higher entity, you have to shift your vibratory level to receive that, or to communicate further. Just like there are various radio waves going through this air, but our radio can catch only some of them. Because the capacity is the point here. Likewise, there are so many channels, but how many channels your TV gets connected to? Your antenna can connect to only certain ones. Likewise, our frequency has to match that of Jesus, or to Shiva, or to Buddha, or to Allah, or whatever, to get the frequency. So, you have to raise yourself up to that level to receive. So, when you say, ‘I had a communion’, if that communion was transformative, it was real. If it was just an imagination, you would be the same. You would still have the same anxieties, you would still have the same fears. And you wouldn’t have changed an inch.
J: If a person questions his/her experiences, does it mean that he/she doubts?
M: Doubt is the nature of the mind. The mind always poses doubts. Because this is how mind is programmed. I’m talking about conscious waking mind, the waking state. In the dream state, no problem, no doubts at all. Conscious mind creates doubts. So, you have to counter the doubts with the help of the intellect. Understanding. Awareness. ‘I experienced this, let me take the next step. Until one experience becomes perpetual, until one experience continues, and repeats by itself, (not exactly the same way, don’t expect the same situation to repeat twice! It may not happen), but communion can repeat itself, in a different level of vibration, different dimension. Once that happens, once that kind of evolution happens, you know that this is for real. And then, one sign that you can definitely depend on is the birth of silence within. You would become slowly introverted. … introversion because the silence is more deep and profound within. You cannot find this happiness outside of you.
J: When you start trusting your inner self?
M: You start living in you inner self. You start enjoying the space within. You start enjoying the silence within. This becomes your perpetual nature.
J: And do you also manifest things out of that?
M: Manifestation is just an expression. When you become the CEO of the company, you get the benefits related to the position, right? Just like that, experiences happen related to the eligibility. When you reach a certain level of evolution in spirituality, you will automatically start having siddhis, manifestation powers.
J: How can I know whether I am eligible?
M: Eligibility you will know only through the experience. When you are eligible, you will know. If you are not eligible, you will not meet the Master who will give information. If you are not eligible, you will not have an experience. Even if you have an experience, you will not enjoy it or you may not even know it. You will not even understand it. So, experience will tell you where you have reached. But don’t stop there. You don’t need to know. What I suggest is, ignore things, move on. Accept experience as a landmark, or a milestone, and continue the journey. Don’t stop. Do not get stuck with the experiences and do not expect the repetition of the same experience. That would be a big mistake.
J: You and also people I talked to mentioned that not everyone is able to reach you. And I am also aware of the fact that people do come and see you, they come once but they never come back. Does that mean that they are eligible to see you, but they choose not to come back?
M: Actually, if I offer you some food which you cannot consume, what would you do? You would reject it. But you came all the way and you saw the food but that’s not your food.
J: So, when I came, does that mean that I’ve become eligible to see you just once?
M: Yes, you are eligible to see me, otherwise, forget about me. Any person, for that matter, if you were not eligible, you would not meet that person, isn’t it? Only at a certain point in time in life you meet certain people. You will not meet that person one year before, or you could not meet that person one year before, nor will you meet that person one year later. You would have to sit here and talk to me just now. And you are doing that. One or two days before, why couldn’t we do this? Two days later you probably aren’t here. So time and space is all interconnected. It’s built in the certain order. And we are going parallel to time in that order, from one point to the other. And we continue our journey like this. So, the best medium of travel, the vehicle to travel is gratefulness. Be grateful about everything, even for an experience you consider sometimes as bad, be grateful, and sometimes for an experience you are happy with, be grateful. Like that, if you perpetually travel with gratefulness, all the things which you are eligible for, happen, and while it is happening, you will enjoy it. Otherwise, when the thing is happening, you may not even know, that ‘this is something I could have enjoyed’. You miss it. That is why guilt is happening. Guilt is formed because of the thought ‘I missed something in the past’. You couldn’t have done anything different because your awareness was different. You could not have handled it better. But you don’t know that. When you look back, you say, ‘Oh see that, I missed it’. So, what is the best remedy? ‘Thank you very much, my awareness was only that much at that time, I’ve travelled further, if it comes again, I will handle it better.’ So, take your ‘mind you tube’ wherever you are going, don’t leave your mind behind to hang on with the guilt.
J: So, guilt and regret are the same?
M: Guilt and regret are like the chains around your feet.
J: How do you get free ourselves?
M: By awareness. By understanding. Time has moved. Body has moved. Mind should move with the time.
J: Because, while we are growing, we get so much conditioned by the society, by family, friends, teachers, and guilt is something which…
M: People give you free.
M: Very generous. So, this is exactly the point I’m telling. Being rooted and rooting should be on perfect awareness of how things work. How do things work? Things work as per the travel of time. From one o’clock to two o’clock to three o’clock to four o’clock. You cannot jump from one to five. Nor can you go back to twelve o’clock, eleven o’clock. So, with this clear understanding, ‘I’m travelling with the time, I am to move with the time’… The more he is travelling with the time whether you like it or not, then, take the mind with you. And other people can voice their opinion, they have their free will to do that. But is that applicable to you? That is the question you should ask yourself. Maybe my best is not good enough for another person. So be it. Accept yourself the way you are, with full conviction, full happiness. Because you created this life. You created this life, accept it as it is.
J: I understand that gratitude could play a huge role in eliminating guilt, eliminating regret, faults that you had or mistakes that you made and things that you missed. So being grateful for whatever there was, ‘At that hour I was at certain level of awareness, now I’m at this level’.
M: Yes, we’re evolving every day. We evolve every moment. We are not the same tomorrow.
J: Are there people who do not evolve? Who are stagnant for years and years and they just don’t move on?
M: It depends on what is their agenda. Each person has a different agenda. World is full of variety. There are no two stones the same way, isn’t it? Every stone has a different character. Likewise, every person has a different character. So, it’s not in everybody’s agenda to evolve spiritually. Or even to have awareness of spirituality. How many people come to me and say, ‘I want to be rich, give me a mantra which will take me to richness.’ So, after they become rich, what will they do? They have no other agenda. So, they may become rich before they die, and they die. Basically, we don’t know the evolution of many of our wishes or desires. We just desire, we just wish. I need to have a beautiful wife, I need to have a house, I need to have children, I need to have money, I need to have a jet plane. Like that, we can desire, desire, desire… And then, after having all these, what will you do? Oh, well…? You see. This is the point. So we do not even know the evolution of our desire. Why let it? This is our nature. This is human nature.
J: Ok, if my desire is to have a jet plane, should I feel guilt about it or just go and fulfill that desire?
M: Never feel guilt about it because this is a part of your existence. Enjoy everything while you have it. Enjoy things the way it has come to you. There is an important message in the Upanishad. It says, ‘The food that came to your table today is the medicine for you.’ It may not be the food that you chose. But something came to your table today. Why did that food come to your table today? What is the reason? That is the medicine for you, accept it. Likewise, if richness happened to you, enjoy it. At the same time, be socially committed. So you are striking a balance there.
J: Socially committed means charity work, help, selfless act?
M: Yes, depending on money you have, how much resources you have. You can even buy a tea to a poor man or buy a meal to a man who’s hungry. Or feed the birds, feed the animals. That way you are giving forth a part of what you have. So you enjoy, definitely you enjoy, never discard anything because that would be poverty consciousness. When you have it you say, ‘Oh, this is too much for me, that means you are inviting poverty. That is not a good idea. Enjoy everything, enjoy abundance, at the same time, share it. Share it meaningfully. Not share just saying, Ok, I’ll give you hundred thousand dollars. That is not the point. Share with love, share with affection, and at all points in time express love.