Bodies and Souls

Satsangs from Serbian Retreat with Mohanji, 9-14th May, 2014

Dialogues with Mohanji, part 1

Mohanji opening the retreat in Serbia 2014

Mohanji opening the retreat in Serbia 2014

As I explained earlier, time is very fast nowadays so our actions get enhanced in real time. Hence this time is very suitable for something drastic to happen in life or you can make genuine life changes using this time. This silent environment also helps enhance your actions.
This whole programme is also in tune with the current times when the Moon has more strength. Moon controls a lot of factors, with a direct impact on water element and the mind. We do all the transformation and work while feeling silence in every aspect. Whenever you try to become silent, the mind will be more active. Mind will want you to talk, so please be aware. You have to do this consciously.


Q: I stopped smoking two weeks ago and now it is very difficult for me to breathe. And I also feel emptiness. Is that the void that I used to fill with my smoking?
A: If you leave anything for some time, not only cigarettes, it will leave a vacuum. This is very normal. There are two reasons.
One is that you left smoking, so there is a vacuum. You are undergoing a change- doing a completely different thing from your normal activity and in a different environment. The best way is to fight and overcome it. If you surrender to it, the tendency will resurface. First, satisfy the mind with the right thought, “This is ok, I’ve had enough, I’ve gone through it, I don’t need it any more. This is fine.’’ Then, substitute the habit with breathing.
The second reason is stored emotions. One of the powerful techniques we do during the retreat to expel the stored emotions, is gapless breathing in the morning.

The body craves for nicotine. Scientifically, I think it takes about 12 days for the body to adjust to the state of no nicotine. So this is normal. And breathing will improve slowly, slowly. Allow, but continue with the breathing.


Q: I learnt that when you breathe in, you go down taking the air to the base of your spine and when you breathe Mohanji MMS_7752out, you go up the spine. Now we are doing it the other way round. We breathe in, taking cold energy up, and we breathe out taking hot energy down. Is there any difference between the techniques?
A: It is like drawing water from the well. You are taking stuff from the inside and throwing it outside. The whole exercise is to expel whatever is stored inside. If things do not get expelled, it is very likely that you will continue with the habits, the same routines. You have to have software change inside, for which you need to empty. If we do not empty ourselves, we cannot fill in anything. Because we are already over-full from many lifetimes with past experiences, impressions and the samskaras. So we are consciously trying to remove everything and become ourselves- completely empty. I’ll explain it in a simpler way: imagine the body as a trash can, without head and limbs. The impressions of every encounter with people, places and situations leave a residue into the system. The heavier the impression is, the lower it goes. The lighter stays up.
When you breathe, you consider the spine like a pillar which you use to reach the highest. but the actual spine is in the middle of the body. But if I explain it like that, you will never be able to meditate. How will you know the exact centre of the body? So, I always say ‘spine’ because it is easy to connect.
When you take the things away, the topmost point is the top of the head in our system and the lowest point is the space between your anus and scrotum. This is the central line. The kundalini has to start from the lowest point and reach the point of the head. So breathing has to change from the front to the middle to reach the highest. The whole breath pattern must change, but you can’t change this in one day. You need to try and slowly detach from the front to the middle and start breathing like this. Work together. There are techniques but they can be taught only when you reach a certain level.
So the initial thing is to expel, to throw out. And then you start feeling with silence. The scriptures say, “You must taste each breath.’’ Don’t just breathe, but taste it. That means you should be really, really aware of your breathing and breathe so that it will be only in the vertical level. The advantage of having vertical breathing is that, whatever happens outside, it will not touch you. You will not be affected by people, places, situations, events. You would do your job but you would always be balanced and firm. Absolute silence. But it doesn’t mean we are sitting and procrastinating, in the jungle or caves. We are not affected by anything. We are absolutely superbly peaceful inside, for which this breathing helps.

And the other aspect is, if you breathe like this, there is 80% or 90% chance that when you die, the soul leaves the body through the top of the head, the same place where it came inside the body as a child. For 90% people, the soul exits through the mouth with the last breath upon death. This is a 100% chance of having another birth. The whole aim of the spiritual path is to bring the soul back through the same point (top of the head) so that you can die at will. The main reasons for the soul not able to come out through the top of the head are ego, mind, concepts, all sorts of blockages we have collected from the society, education, parents, religions etc- all this clutter makes us heavy. So the soul can only leave through the mouth with the baggage. Whatever we have accumulated is carried forward to the next birth as a pending agenda or desires.

Slipping into sleep and slipping into death is almost similar. For example, we have no control on our sleep, we just lie down and go into sleep. If you are able to sleep consciously- which means your consciousness is available during transition from waking to sleep- then at the time of death, the same will be available. If you can maintain the awareness through waking, dreaming or sleeping states and if you transcend these two states with awareness, that means you are fully aware all the time.

This is a very powerful technique, this meditation during sleep, or during transition from waking to sleep. Basically you are watching yourself slipping into sleep, which means you are aware of the transition from waking to sleep, so you are an external entity watching yourself and seeing yourself changing realms. If that can be done, there is a major shift in the consciousness. Most of your thoughts will die, most of your desires will die, and you will be steadfast with your lean karma- only what you are supposed to do on Earth.

Q: How can we use this vertical breathing as an introduction for the meditation “360 degrees’’?
A: The purpose of 360 degree meditation is also to bring the breath to the centre. Rooting in the spine means breathing through the centre. As I mentioned earlier, I cannot say to concentrate on the exact middle of your body because you will get confused. So, it’s better to say the spine. Even in 360 degree meditation we are talking about prana. Prana is not entering through the breath. It’s entering through the top of the head. This is why even if some refrain from breathing, they have no shortage of prana. But we have to say breath, otherwise we would confuse people. E.g. ‘Concentrate on your nose, breathing, etc.’ They will get completely confused. We have to use certain generic hings so that it helps. If people ask me specifically, I answer. People asked me, “Where does prana enter the body?’’ I answered, “The same place where the soul came from.’’ Because it’s all the same. Prana nourishes the soul. So 360 degree meditation is basically vertical breathing in a systematic way so that it teaches you to stay in the center. That is why it is quite popular now. A lot of people are meditating and they are moving into silence. See, whatever takes you to silence is good for you. Because mind is restless by nature.

Q: When we did breathing exercises when we were lying down, I couldn’t breathe. I feel I stopped breathing and floated upwards. It’s a new experience to me, is it ok?
A: In such situation be natural, because naturally you detach yourself from your body which is anyway a thing to be detached about! When you detach from the body, so much release happens immediately in your system. While this is not enlightenment, during the stage of enlightenment, the soul expands suddenly, and the body is oriented only by prana (from the top of the head) and independent of air or breathing. This air constitutes the pancha prana, the five types of air which are running our body. When breath becomes still, immediately it’s switched over by prana. This is not the death state. It’s an absolute state.


Bodies and souls

Q: Historically, it seems to me that we have more and more bodies and less souls because a lot of souls are not turning back to bodies. What can you tell us about this? Is it possible that there are bodies without souls?
A: You need to have a body to experience this plane of existence at Earth. Technically, from the dark side, you can also have a body without a soul. They can rejuvenate a body without a soul and operate on it, akin to charging the battery of the mobile phone. As long as the battery exists, the phone works. We don’t practise these kind of things. But to have normal expressions and normal experiences, you need to have a soul. A soul is needed to have the path of destiny, a pattern of life, experiences, expressions and character from birth till death. But Earth is a plane almost like a laboratory. You can have multiple experiences with the same body. Even in general terms, one person can be a father, a child, a husband, or a brother, any different kind of combination. In this plane, the main expression of relativity is through relationships. And generally, the string that links everything is called emotion. This is our plane of operation.
When the Earth started taking a different speed from 1986, the whole vibratory level and behavioral pattern of all beings have undergone a structural change. So, whatever was the basic nature, got enhanced. In the last 4-5 years, you can observe that people who are spiritual by nature, became more spiritual. Negative people became more negative, kind people became kinder. As I said, this is the plane where body is required for experiences and positive and negative can exist at the same time in almost equal power. Many souls have come to experience this speeding time, both positive and negative. As per my calculation, all the emotions have to come out by the end of 2017. All the negativities have to be cleaned. From 2018 to 2022 in the second half of the transition, you will see things settling down with a lot of stuctural changes across the world. I’m expecting a lot of destruction and calamities, akin to a house that cannot be repaired any more. You have to demolish and rebuild it. People are becoming more emotional, chasing terrestrial things, finding no satisfaction, coming back and searching elsewhere. They cannot find it searching outside and then they start searching inward. All these phenomena are happening simultaneously now. One year is equal to fifty years today. Your effort is multiplied at that level. If you put an effort in the positive way, it multiplies in that level. If there is a negative effort, it also multiplies. We have to be very conscious about it. If there are many on the path of enlightenment, there are as many on the path of depression. This is a sign of the time. Also, it is very difficult to differentiate between the positive and the negative even in the spiritual path. But you will understand on close observation. Negative always uses fear of the mind. Cults always use fear to bind people. Positive has nothing to do with fear ever. I always say, “I don’t know what fear is.’’ There is no room for fear. We are actually extremely powerful, until the mind blocks us.
But true spirituality is always the path of liberation. Liberation means you are liberated on a daily basis and at the time of death. It means, we are fine today, whether there is a particular place, food, situation or person available or not. That means we are peaceful every moment. If we are peaceful that way, how can there be fear? Many masters, paths, or teachers today (I’m not talking about religion, religion is not from today, it has been since ages) are using the white symbols, such as liberation, to bind people. This plane is the plane of manipulation. So we should be careful about this, too. In reality, you are born free and you have to die free. There is no way you can be bound by anybody. This is unfortunately why when any master speaks the truth, we kill him as soon as possible so that people can use their teaching the way they want.

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Sleeping with awareness

Q: Three weeks ago, I was completely aware of the moment when I slipped into the sleep state. But that happened only once.
A: This is good enough, but there is good news and bad news.
Follow-up Q: Bad news first 🙂
A: Bad news is that you are not in control of the situation. Good news is that you experienced it. Now you know what to experience. You know this thing now, so you can practise it consciously.

Q: When I fall asleep, I am aware of everything, both the dream and waking reality, even the surroundings, but I can ask questions to the unconscious me who is sleeping. And I get immediate answers which I almost cannot catch and remember. They are like a flash, and I get the complete answer to my question.
A: This is what we call trance. That is not what we talked about earlier. In the state of trance, there is no ego so you will usually connect to any body, person, entity or even your higher consciousness in that state. The masters who are connected to the source are always available, just like electricity, all you have to do is switch on. The moment you move into the trance, you are connected to the masters. Or you could be connected to me as you are close to me. So, it doesn’t matter which body, but the source is one. Expressions or the bodies are different because of different reasons. In the higher level, it is one consciousness, many expressions. If you just transcend one level from the Earth, you will know that these names have no value, like Mohanji, Baba, Jesus… everything dissolves. Then it’s just consciousness. So, mostly when you are in the state of trance, you connect to the consciousness which is available. But on the terrestrial plane you might be connected to me- a person called Mohanji- but through him, ultimately connecting to the consciousness. Bottomline is you get your answer. But the mind will discriminate, oh, did Mohanji speak, or did another person speak, did Jesus speak, or did Baba speak? But in absolute sense, it is all one and the consciousness answered you. Generally, if you are able to see yourself in the trance state, your breath pattern will be vertical. Secondly, when you are in vertical breathing, you can easily slip into trance state, too. This is not a meditative state, it’s beyond. Furthermore, you will be in 360 degree awareness.
Follow-up Q: I am using this also for problem-solving. I trained myself to wake up and write down these answers I get and then go to sleep.
A: Problems are only on this plane. Other planes don’t have problems, haha.


Q: Yesterday and today, when I closed my eyes, I see a yellow square. I think that is a symbol of muladara, or something like that.
A: It is not yellow, it is golden. It’s the symbol of the path. Symbolwise, it’s the fire, stomach centre. But this is not that actually. Many people see the golden square or golden triangle. That is because that’s our path. Golden path is the path of liberation in the ultimate, which means we are travelling towards total liberation where we are merging with the supreme consciousness, having the brightness of a thousand suns. In Ganesha mantra it says, “Surya Koti Samaprabha”. Surya means the sun. Koti means ten million, one crore. Brightness of ten million suns, that is the body of Lord Ganesha. Similarly, the path is total brightness, which means everything dissolves and you become the total brightness.

Q: When I meditate, I can see my eyes circulating around looking at surroundings, and I breathe spontaneously, is it right way to do it, or not?
A: Continue with it, what works for you may not work for other people. The aim is that you reach silence and 360 degree awareness. Somebody may not need this action of moving eyes around, but will immediately reach stillness in all directions. When there is action, mind is working. Whichever direction there is difficulty, that is the sign that there are blockages. The more blockages, the more difficulties. And that is usually related to relationships. What binds you to the Earth are relationships, e.g. my family, my daughter, my son, my wife, my house, my property, my dog… everything. Solution is awareness, witness it, detach from it, witness it, detach from it. “Ok, this is happening, I move away. Again it’s happening, I move away.’’ This is a constant exercise.
Finally you will be automatically in the detached position and watching even while in relationships, while people are becoming extremely emotional. That solves relationship problems.
The main reason for gravity is our guilt from the past. Second is our concept about morality against fulfilment. Life is about fulfilment. But morality makes us bound. So there is a struggle between fulfilment and morality or even character. These are all related to relationships. I’m not saying fulfilment is killing somebody; fulfilment means harmless fulfilment. If you are able to stick to the fulfilment, then you are in the right track. Fulfilment is always related to karma. Karma -> fulfilment, karma –> fulfilment. That is how life goes. Blockages are related to mind. Mind has concepts, morality, guilt and all sorts of garbage. When we take a decision about our life with all that garbage, we have failures.

Acceptance and objectivity

Q: When you are living with the people of very negative…
A: You are lucky. You can develop objectivity, that is the best thing. See, when you are with the negative, we become extremely detached and objective. Have you noticed? This is a good thing.
Follow-up Q: Well, I have a mother-in-law…
A: I can’t help mother-in-law… This is my experience, I meet thousands of people. The people who have a beautiful family life, stick to a comfort zone spirituality, which means they do it just for the sake of practice. I hardly see them evolve to higher dimension. But when there are many problems, for example, one man used to come to me in Dubai many years ago. He was a watchman of the port. His salary was very, very small. But religiously, he would come and he used to give me some money. I said, “I don’t want your money.’’ I never used to take money anyway. He said, “What is the difference between my money and rich man’s money?’’ I said, “Your money is much more valuable. That is why I’m not taking it.’’ But he would insist and he was evolving so high that sitting in the port that he would know what I was doing. The connection became so strong that he would be sitting there and he would say, “Mohanji, you met these and these people. One person was very sceptical. He was not receptive.’’ How much he evolved by just connecting! But everything was going wrong with him. He had no money, stayed with 8 people in one room, could afford little food but all the difficulties strengthened him in spirituality. On the other hand, very comfortable people with nice family etc keep asking the same questions for years. Not an inch of progress. Fundamentally, your destiny is decided. When you took the body, you decided, “In this time period, location, body, I will live on earth.’’ So positive or negative surrounding is also selected before you took the birth. It is acceptance that is very important. Accept yourself, you chose this body, you chose this life, and you chose the situations. People come to your life at certain points in time, but they will come. So there’s no value in such things as “Why did they come, I never expected it!’’ They were supposed to come, they came. Even your meeting me today was decided before. Otherwise you could have met any of the other seven billion people. But we met. We are sharing the space. This has value. So acceptance is primary for spiritual success. Unless you accept your situation you cannot evolve, because you are in conflict with the basic.

Mohanji performing Havan, ritual for cleansing

Mohanji performing Havan, ritual for cleansing

Recorded and transcribed by Biljana Vozarevic
Edited by Aviral Srivastava


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