Q: Had a person who committed suicide planned it before and if yes, why would they choose that?
A: Look at our life now. We have strong feelings and strong convictions about certain things. How many times have we said, “I am suffering because of another person”? Have you said something like that?
Audience: All the time.
A: All the time we say, “I am suffering because of another person.” Suffering is never outside of you. It’s inside you. It’s your choice. By connecting with yourself, you choose whether you should suffer or not. Whatever happens outside, if you do not take it inside, you are not suffering.
We even detach from masters because of our reason. To get a human body is very difficult. To get connected to a master is even more difficult. So on the one hand, it is very important to appreciate that you have a human body and that you are linked to a frequency which is higher than normal. Only then, the elevation of awareness happens.
On the other hand, “I am suffering because of the world ” is ignorance, non-understanding. Such feelings along with their intensity make you feel unwanted, miserable and pessimistic. Value for life goes down. You believe life is worthless. What is the next step? End it. This is how the psychology happens for suicide. This is all rooted in non-understanding.
Firstly, we believe that our happiness depends on other people, which is a fundamental mistake. Happiness is your choice. You can choose to be happy all the time. And this concept of justice and injustice is also within us, it is not something related to outside. Even if somebody harms you, abuses you, why do you take it inside? Imagine this is your living room. Will you bring a donkey inside?
A: Then why do you bring all these donkeys inside and say, “I am suffering!?” You WILL suffer because you are bringing all the donkeys inside! Firstly, we should keep our living room (mind) neat, clean and tidy and decide who comes in. You can choose to bring in happiness all the time. Otherwise, don’t open the doors.
Secondly, we believe we are deciding our life. We are not deciding our life, life is deciding us. If you are deciding your life, you will definitely make sure that there is no rain outside. Can you stop the rain? Then what are you deciding? So life is as it happens to you. Accept it.
Thirdly, as we live our life, we have collected so many things of the world, e.g. whatever is in the house, you have collected from the world and you start owning them. How long have you owned anything? There is a time limit. Things come and things leave. Relationships happen and relationships dissolve. Life comes, death comes. All you have to do is experience life right now. The past is finished, we have no idea about tomorrow. So many factors have to come together for an experience to take place. So whenever you feel you are down, you are handicapped, you are a victim of other people, etc., kick your butt! Don’t even wait. Say, “Don’t be stupid!” Nobody can do anything to you unless you allow it to happen.
Furthermore, please remember one thing. Don’t have a wrong notion that everybody cares for us. Who is caring for you? Do you want the absolute truth? Nobody. Be free. If you feel somebody is caring for you, ask the question, “How long?” A lot of people say, “My wife is very important for me. My children are very caring. My father is amazing.” Everything is ok. After some time, a small thing happens, everything collapses. I was reading about a famous atomic scientist, I think he is a Nobel prize winner, whose grandchild died. He attempted suicide three times. This is not an ignorant, illiterate man. He is one of the respected scientists in the world, but he couldn’t handle the death of his grandchild. However, since suicide is not his profession, he was not successful. So understand how our mind works. We are based on nonsensical theories and concepts. In it, failure is not an option. When failure happens, they feel lost and this is the time when people go to the extremes. What is the solution?
Awareness is the solution. Be aware. Firstly, you are original, there’s nobody like you. Secondly, you are here only for a certain time, you cannot extend it even for an hour. If you are in this life lucky enough to connect to any master who is connected to the source, even if you die, don’t leave him or her. Thirdly, don’t hesitate to surrender to destiny. Whether you surrender or not, destiny is at work. Destiny is bringing you each moment, each experience, and you cannot avoid it. Somebody asked Ramana Maharishi, “What can I do for other people? He said, “Where are other people?” Other people are your own extensions, understand. Other people are your own expressions. Other people are your extension and expression. If you have anger inside, you will see an angry man responding in an angry way because that is what you are resonating. You chose everything you are experiencing including your spiritual elevation. In fact, only you exist. And you project various dimensions and you suffer. This is the truth. Lastly and most importantly, stop asking, “What am I getting from life?”, instead ask, “What am I giving to life?” Till now, if you have lived 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 years, ask yourself, what have I given to the world? If the answer is zero, start now. That’s all you need to do. There will be no thoughts of suicide at all, because you’ll have something to do. If you keep counting, “What has life given me?” then forget it.
Did I destroy the question?
A: I can answer in one word. Why do people think about suicide? Ignorance.
Q: My mother is in depression, and I am very concerned and afraid, how can I help her and myself?
A: I suggest, if you have physical ailments, a psychosomatic disease, talk to Devi or other Mai Tri healers and we will work it out. People say they are going to causal layer and bring out things from past lives. If that layer becomes clear, body becomes clear.
Q: I’m often in a situation where I have to choose between two options. This is very difficult for me, I analyse too much and burden myself with it. How to know what is best at the moment of dilemma where both choices have good and bad sides?
A: Very simple. Stay with truth, do what is right. Always stay with truth, then you won’t have a problem within. If you stay with lies, cunningness, deceit, hatred, then you have a problem. If you always stay with truth and it keeps your conscience clean, there’s nothing to worry. Whatever the world thinks, no problem, because you are perfectly clean inside. And do what is right. How do you know what is right? What is right according to you? Very simple to remember: what expands you is good for you, what shrinks you is not good for you. Always work with simple philosophy, do not complicate life.
Imagine you are very hungry and you got some food. As you were eating, suddenly you saw a very hungry woman with a child. The moment you share your food with her, do you feel much better? How will you feel? You’ll feel very rich. This is what is right. What is right is what makes you expanded. If you stop asking, “What am I getting?” and start asking instead, “What can I give?” it will make you much better. So how do you do the right thing? Whatever you analyse, it doesn’t matter. If it doesn’t expand you, making you feel better, it is not good for you. Stop being selfish always thinking, “What about me?” Keep thinking, “What else can I do for this world?” But while doing it, don’t expect anything back from the world. Jesus healed ten lepers. None of them turned back and said “thank you” and remember there was no medicine for leprosy at that time. Nobody said “thank you”. Only one person turned and looked at him. This is the world. It is more interested in crucifying people than supporting goodness. Unfortunately today, we do not count what people have done for the world. We only see how much they have earned. They live with the money, be very selfish and only look after themselves. They hardly do anything for others or they do some charity which is nothing compared to what they can do, for e.g. if they earn a million dollars, they give ten dollars for charity. That is probably what leaks out of their pocket. So this is the world which we have started to appreciate. This is complete wrong understanding, a wrong notion. Your worth in life is not how much money you have, but what you can do for the world.
When I was working, one man came and met me. He was looking for a job for three months. He asked me, “Can you help me find a job? Any job, I just need some money. I haven’t earned anything for the last three months.” I said, “I have no vacancy in my company, but I can recommend you. I called a few friends, he went to a few places and finally he got a job the same day. That was not a very big job, but for him there was no money, he was without an income, anything would do, that’s what he told me, too. Then he went around the whole world saying, “You know Mohanji could have found me a better job but then he didn’t care about me. I got this job which is a very silly job. I am not getting the salary I’m supposed to get.” Not a word of gratitude. I am not saying you should expect it but this is the way society works. We should not be affected by it and stop helping people. You continue to help people, though some of them will be like this. I’ve seen quite a lot of this stuff. This is also a thing related with people’s ego. You cannot change it so don’t even worry about it. Let it happen.
Q: I never know when to stop giving to people. I cannot sometimes decide whether I should continue or stop. I am giving myself much and I am often suffering, and I know it is not good to stop because if I don’t care, I do not see anybody else who will do the work.
A: Ideally, stop being you. I am not separate from what I am doing, in other words, the best dancer is when the dancer becomes a dance. The best singer is when the singer becomes a song. The best life is when you become life. Then there is no one to suffer. You are not doing it. It is your lifestyle. Suffering is our choice. We can choose whether to suffer or not, but when you stop doing what you do, then what are we doing? What is our worth? For example, if we do nothing for the world because people are ungrateful, we stop, etc. Then it shows ourintegrity. I believe we should not worry about what people say. We continue doing it. Even a lot of things are recognised after death. When Jesus was being crucified, nobody said, “Oh, you shouldn’t do this because he is an amazing master!” When did we realise he is an amazing master? Much afterwards. This is usually the case with life. After they die, we say, “This was a great master,” or “This person was good.” It is sometimes like that but we should not worry about it. We do our job that we should do.
I follow very simple principles. Number one, I never stop giving. I give myself. I often do not even think what will be the repercussion tomorrow. When they come, I fill them up. I have had various problems with it, too. Many people misinterpeted, manipulated, twisted the whole thing and made it look very bad. This is what I also experienced. But I was not worried about that. My conscience is clear. My intention was clear. All we have to worry about is that our conscience should be clean. Our intention should be pure. Another thing is don’t expect everybody to recognise you. I always believe, those who have eyes to see, they will see and they will never leave. Those who do not have eyes to see, even if you show the highest, they will not see because they do not have the power to see. So we should not worry about all this drama of the world. If you are honest, if your conscience is clean, don’t worry about the world. Maybe in this life they will not understand you, but the future generations will. And all the people who set trends in the world have walked through thorns. Nobody walked on rose petals all the time. They have suffered, fought against everything, but eventually, their life became their message, so this is worth it.
Lastly, no master ever lost or missed anybody. Generations lost the master. Jesus lost nobody, he was fine. Socrates lost nobody. But generations lost masters. It’s still happening. Today there’s no physical cross, but Facebook is the cross…
Of course I have been campaigning against cruelty for a long time.
From Washington after the programmes in America, I was flying to South Africa. I reached Cape Town and they had arranged a chef to make specific food for me and that chef was Vegan. He was Vegan but I did not know at that time that he would also have fish which wasn’t quite vegan for me! (laughter). He was preparing good food and I enjoyed the food and then I asked him, “Why don’t you start a restaurant? If this food can be made and if you can serve such food, why don’t you start a restaurant?”. He was happy with the idea. I said I would help him. That’s when we blocked the web ID AhimsaVegan.com. Later on before I left, I told him to bring me a proper proposal of how he would like to do it. At that time, the idea was to do this on a moving bus, catering on wheels in Cape Town so you can move this bus to various locations and sell vegan food. It would be just 10 items on the menu and nothing too complicated. He came back with an idea and said, “I would like to add seafood to the menu!” (Laughter!). I didn’t take it forward!
That is when I came back to India and told Sumit about Ahimsa Vegan. Sumit had already started Madhuban Restaurant in Katra at that time. I asked him “Why don’t you look at having vegan food at the price of fast food?” He said, “It was impractical because the cost cannot be the same”. I said to him “ There will be a way of making the cost very close if not equal”. Meanwhile, if I remember right it was in Nashville or somewhere in the USA, that I went to a vegan restaurant called ‘The Plant‘. The average cost for a meal there was over $100. That is just a starter, main course and a dessert. I told Sumit, that if this is the kind of cost for a vegan meal out then it will be difficult for people come. Maybe you will get customers but everybody cannot afford this kind of price. Unless the vegan concept reaches the grass roots, it is not worthwhile. It is not good enough.
The Ahimsa project then started and Sumit and his team spent a lot of money researching it. If I am right, the last count was about 3.5million INRs they spent researching how to do it and then they hired some consultants and the consultants said “This won’t work!”. So I said let me meet them. I told them the concept I had in mind, something very close to Chipotle and similar kinds of fast food joints. Where you have a variety; a great salad bar and pita bread and then you serve it on a fast food basis so everyone can choose their meal and combination. That I thought would work because people want exclusivity, everybody could have their different tastes satisfied so it should work. Then the consultants said yes this idea could work. I said ‘Ok, roll it out!” So that is where it all began.
I later became very busy. I was not following the project up. The Vegan Café started in Shirdi and we inaugurated it in June 2016. Now I feel that if you look back after 5 years you will see lots of Ahimsa Vegan Cafe outlets in the world. This is my feeling because now we are on the track.
Every new venture endures start-up challenges and obstacles, everything will not be picture perfect in the beginning. Then you will make it. Nothing can be perfect, especially when it is something new and you want to make it unique.
I was explaining to Vijay only this morning that this café is a statement you have made to the world that you are taking this step. It is a sign of conviction. So what exactly is this conviction? It is not just to make profit. Yes, you must make profit otherwise you cannot start anything new but more than profit this project supports nature. For instance, if one person stops eating meat then 70 animals are saved every year. That is one aspect, if 70 animals are not cultivated or produced for meat then that much water and grain will be saved. More than half the world’s manufacturing produce is used for animal farming. It has a huge impact on water table depletion, climate change, global warming, everything is related to the farming of animals even deforestation. The effect is much wider than one would think initially. So you are making a huge statement by opening the café; just look at the effect, layer by layer of great effect! This is equal to hours of preaching! I do not like to preach things, which nobody can follow. You can create something or talk about something that nobody understands and people may think “Oh, this is great stuff!” I would like to be practical and I would like you to be practical. Give great food and make a statement with this food.
I was in Katra at Madhuban Restaurant. They have made great vegan food equivalents comparable to various (non-vegetarian) meals. They are fully vegan using, for instance, soya or other meat alternatives. Somebody said that if food like this can be provided then there is no need for meat. The taste of meat is what people are holding on to now, so if we are able to provide something alternative, which is equivalent to meat, this will help. We are globally addicted to taste and this is one of the bindings of life. We are addicted to taste and we feel that this is important. It is also the wrong notion that is cultivated into people that protein only comes from meat. This is a wrong concept.
There is a lot to do with this concept. It is not just about selling food. It is about creating a culture. Veganism is a culture, it is not about food – it is about a lifestyle. We should be very proud about what we do. We should be able to go out onto the rooftops and shout out about it and tell the world that we are proud to be vegans! This is something that is not just ethical. It is spiritual. When you are not being violent to the world outside, it has to start on the inside. You eat all sorts of stuff and then you preach non-violence outside, it just won’t work because your very cell is against it. Every cell has absorbed the violent aspect of your food. If your food, emotion, knowledge, if all these things are violent then how are we going to deliver to the world something that is non-violent, so it starts from here.
You are what you eat. You are what you think. You are what you speak.
So all these expressions are very important. That is why I said it is a culture. This culture has to continue. Grace will happen for sure because this is very close to nature. When you do good work, nature helps you and it is 90% selfless. I still say you must make profit, because there must be many, many more vegan cafes available to the public as an alternative to the public’s acquired habits – not chosen habits. It is probably not chosen habits all the time, it is acquired habits because society is created in this manner. These acquired habits have to change, and if you do not give an alternative it cannot change. So it is the current culture.
I wish this project great success and I put my weight behind it, my strength behind and I have no qualms in endorsing it because it is noble and ethical. It is the need of the times. You must give an alternative to people so that people can easily, without any excuse, change over to something ethical.
Great job Vijay! Neeshal, all of you, Mita, …, Rajshree, Anuradha as well!!
Anuradha is an establishment not a person. She has, with my limited acquaintance (I think we have met only twice), apart from being the Head of PETA, done a lot of work on the vegan front. There is a lot of work to do in the days to come. Apart from what you suggested, it’s a good idea that once a month you have a music event, have a buffet at a standard price to eat as much as you like, and you have music and she will sing. Good idea.
This is just a phase. You should reach people. You should be in a position later to cater to airlines, cater to various star hotels. There will be various hotels who will be receptive yes? So, there can be numerous ways, not just catering to events. Ahimsa Vegan can be a regular supplier like a bakery making goods for other shops. They don’t have to store it in the shop, they can deliver to other shops.
When I read the VeganFirst article that you (Anuradha) had posted, it listed that there are many Vegan restaurants in London, so I said Ahimsa Vegan products should be in all these restaurants. You supply to all the restaurants things which are unique to you and you can probably get their unique products here too, so that way you help each other. Create a dialogue between the vegan community, think big, think out of the box. Anuradha has done so many things. For e.g. you can create spreads and packaged products. These can be Ahimsa Vegan branded and can be sold to supermarkets. So don’t stop at selling across the table.
Thank you for coming (Anuradha). (Applause)
[It was very tough for me to take 2 days off because I commit 10 days (every year) to Ganeshananda Giriji‘s trust, but this was essential and I thought it was my responsibility to be here in that manner. I do not know what communication you had had with the team, but when Vijay asked me to come, I said, “Yes, I will come”. I like to connect to the heart of the matter, technical stuff is not my job, so I am glad I am here and thank you for bringing me here.]
“Whatever people may say, whatever their interpretations are, experiences are our own. We can truly own only our experiences. No words can truly explain it nor other’s theories can nullify it. There is no need for explanations; and testimonials are usually for re-installing faith in the minds of the people. For the one who experienced it, there is no need to speak. If the experiences uttered will help others to see higher realms and understand unusual possibilities, it’s worth the breath. Faith makes us open to the Divinity. Faith makes us experience. Human mind always likes to reason and judge. Firm faith can move mountains while mind can create limitations and bind one to the lowest states while in reality one possesses the potential for the highest.” Brahmarishi Mohanji
We need to emphasize the benefit of experience writing as a spiritual practice. The process of writing helps one to relive the moments, that usually pass in a flurry in Mohanji’s presence, to uncover the nuggets of grace and wisdom that were showered by Him. This will help the person later in moments of doubt and darkness. Also reading the experience inspires and uplifts others so the writer gets more “good karma” points.
An experience sharing is not a favour to Mohanji and the tradition. It is an expression of a gratitude for the Grace that was received.
The tradition reveals its presence through experiences and testimonials. Case in point – the Sai Satcharita, the Bible and numerous other spiritual books. Hence, this is also the means of the tradition to guide and uplift people and point to the presence of a higher purpose, a higher possibility.
In these times of turbulence, emotions and the associated negativity are at a high. Doubts are rearing their heads and faith is being tested in these times. This is the time to ensure that there is enough positivity injected into the system to ensure that people are not overcome by darkness.
Do yourself and everyone else a favour, write your experience today before the retreats, meditations, encounters, practices become just another faded memory.
With Love, Mohanji Team
Reasons for experience writing
M: I have been stressing the point of sharing experiences, mainly because of two matters. 1. To own your experience(s). 2. When you articulate it, it gets re-confirmed or clarified to yourself or your conscious mind. Owning one’s own experience is very important to one’s spiritual progress. How will articulation help? Simple. We are constantly bombarded with tons of information and many comparisons. Each person is unique. We cannot and should not compare the experiences of one another.
But when you start owning your own experiences you will also develop a witness attitude (Saakshi Bhaav). You will start to observe yourselves more than listening to the words of others.
When we read books and hear the opinions of other seekers, we may feel either inferior or superior. Both are harmful. We are ourselves. We are incomparable. We can only start walking from where we stand. So start walking and be happy with your own pace and growth. Never compare with another. We are all like planets rotating around the sun, existing in its realms. Each one of us has our own beginning, end and unique track. Be grateful to existence and keep walking. Divinity is definitely guiding you.
What brought you to spirituality? The innate craving of your own soul for liberation from the endless birth-death cycle. All the Gurus have echoed the same philosophy, in different words and times. The core is the same. It is love. Love without conditions. Love without boundaries. If you are reluctant to share experiences, at least keep a spiritual diary. Note down your experiences with utmost gratitude.
Your mind will need reconfirmations and affirmations at each step, because, we are not immune to the outside world’s influence and opinions. At that point in time, when you will almost be ready to disown your own experiences because of other people’s opinions, you can refer to the diary and take inspiration to move further. Disowning your own experiences is equal to blocking the divine grace. Shyness to recognise and accept your own experiences could also mean that your ego is blocking total acceptance.
The best master for you is your own soul. If you can follow the guidance of your own soul, you have everything whatever you need for this journey of life. Acquired knowledge, accumulated knowledge from others, sometimes is usable, sometimes it is a waste. The biggest mistake we can make is to deny our own experience because of other people’s words or knowledge. Accept your experience with gratitude. Please write it down.It is called spiritual diary. Because sometimes our mind will say it did not happen. You are just lying, or joking. But when you write it, it is there. You cannot deny it. And it makes you more powerful, complete.
The two fundamental mistakes we make every day are we think a lot what other people should do. They have their own intelligence. It is not our business. Likewise, we try to adjust a lot to other people’s command, including compromising our inherent qualities. Waste of time. If we can avoid these two things, we are fine. We are relaxed. There will be no fights.
Denying your own experience hinders spiritual growth
Tendency to swap our own experience for other’s words hinders spirituality. Man stagnates because of constant detours. Any kind of attachment and binding also hinders spiritual growth. This includes habits too. Liberation from everything is the aim. In order to achieve that, we should start accepting ourselves the way we are, with all our deficiencies, pluses and minuses. We should also accept our experiences and own them and be free to express them. It does not matter even if the entire world may laugh at you and consider you as a dreamer. Your own experiences should be cherished and honored. Belief in them is essential to transcend them. This does not mean that you can develop attachment to them. You should accept them as a personal experience and keep walking further. Never care for other’s opinions about it, unless it is coming from a higher master. Once we accept ourselves, we can detach from anything. (From “FAQ about More or Less Everything”)
I say no ownership, but the context where I say “own your experiences” is different. This means, when you have profound spiritual experiences, during meditation or in the company of masters, do own them, nourish them, cherish them. They are your own. That is the point from where you will grow. Mind may have some ideas, borrowed from others. That might hinder your progress by asking you to ignore your own experience and believe in someone else’s. That is a fundamental mistake. We are not another person. His experience is unique to himself. You are yourself. Your experience is unique to yourself. OWN THAT. Be proud of that. Start your journey from that point. You will evolve higher and higher. Information is in the air. When your antenna develops the capacity to decode information that you are eligible for, you will automatically receive it. The guru principle will make sure of that. So, no need to worry. Own your own experience and be proud to talk about it. Do not worry about others who might ridicule you. They are doing so, because your consciousness is unique to yourself and others cannot see what you see. Believe in yourself – Your SELF. (From “In Service of the Guru Principle”)
Cherish your experiences
M: Always bank on your experiences. People can have various opinions and understanding levels because every being is a unique constitution with his/her own understanding and experiences. So when they say, “This is right, this is wrong,“ please understand this is their opinion.Your own experience is the most powerful guiding factor in your life. Your experience is very important for you. Never ever discard your experience for the sake of anything in life. If you do, you disown your own growth or you are discarding your own progress. This should not happen. This is very important to remember. If your experience was good, keep moving ahead with gratitude. Love it and love yourself for whatever experiences you have gone through in life whether it is positive, negative or neutral. Experience is experience. Accept it, live it and move with it. (from Guru Purnima message 2015)
Q: After I did the Power of Purity meditation, I took a bath afterwards… I went into a different dimension while I was in a bath tub and you were there, but you were doing a completely different thing. It was a completely different life I had! It seemed as it was happening right now.
M: Because time stood still. See, in this physical form time is horizontal, linear time where you don’t even know what will happen tomorrow, next moment. So we have to experience this. But when the linear time goes away and the time is vertical, you see your association with me or my association with you, all these things, and you become aware that I’ve been guiding you since ages. When I say „I“ I do not mean this body, don’t think it as body, then you will never understand the truth. If you think of me as the body, this is a very limited understanding. This body is only for some time. I’ll leave this body, but I have existed always. That’s why I wrote in a blog,“I’m a time rider. As long as time exists, I exist.“
Q: But after the experience the time did not exist and I could remember what time it was, what time I had to go to work, where my work was, I had used my GPS to get there and I looked maybe familiar and I could remember my passport but I made it from the whole day and I worked, but I had my book to remind me of my passport…
M: You must write this down. That is why I always insist, “Please write your spiritual diary.” Because many people do not understand. I have seen some saints saying that this is hallucination. One man told me on Himalayas, “Mohanji, some of these people come to me and tell me these things, these are all hallucinations.“ So I asked him, “Then what is reality?“ He couldn’t answer me. If you have not experienced and others have, that doesn’t mean it’s hallucination. Some people cut it down and arrest you to this life, which is the most dangerous thing to do. That means you will be forced to take more incarnations, because of ignorance. I always tell them, “If you have seen the light, please go further.“ I push them,“…and don’t worry if you fall, I’m holding you, but you walk. Try.“ I like to see people walking on their own. I like to see that happening. Because you are independent by birth. Or before birth. You are independent and free by nature. So keep walking. My job is to make sure you don’t fall down. That is what I’ll do and you don’t have to ask me for it, meet me or tell me. That’s the role which I play.
Mohanji: Sit down and contemplate what you are not, for some time. Am I this anger? Am I this hatred? Am I these words that I am uttering? Am I this personality that I am projecting? Keep asking yourself what you are and what you are not. And then after a while, you are meditating only on that aspect, which is completely inside you. You can see it moving. It can move in any way, it’s so flexible, it’s transparent and it just moves like a jelly, much thinner than a jelly. And then slowly, you can feel it expanding beyond you, same thing, ether, expanded beyond you. And then it keeps on expanding, then it permeates into everything, all the animate and all the inanimate. If you do that for a long period of time, your physical itself will become less significant. The gross aspect itself will become less significant and you will connect more and more to the soul aspect.
If you consistently practice that for some time, you will again go deeper into the soul aspect, beyond the flexibility, the fluidity and all that, you will reach a level where you are only seeing the brightness, the auric (aura) aspect or you can call it just the brightness aspect. You will only see the brightness moving. When the soul is leaving the body, this is exactly what is leaving, that is the soul and the body (gross) remains. It will even cut across layers. At some point in time, you can see the sheaths/ koshas – the pranamaya kosha, annamaya kosha, etc. You will start experiencing and you will see the same energy transcending through this, moving up and down.
After some time, there is no body to talk about. There is nothing to ask. You will not even care if this body is looking good, bad, presentable, etc. – those are all very silly aspects, compared to the power of the soul. You may not even worry about how people think about you, how you are in the society, etc. It won’t matter so that you are fully occupied in the soul aspect. It is possible. Start with a small ball, in the heart center, and then very slowly, it expands, take your time, do it in your own way, and finally, you can actually feel it expanding all over. First, you will feel it in the auric layer and then it transcends further everywhere and then it just evolves into the whole universe.
That is why we are eternally connected to every being in the universe. We are all related. If you discount the physical aspect, the whole thing is interconnected. The problem is in the physical aspect, that’s the temporary aspect. Also, we are stuck with the personality aspect, we talk about the personality, not the person, so you swap the person to the aspect of the soul, then it’s a different ballgame. This is possible, very much possible. It will shift from a visualization to the experience of being the soul, that takes you to perpetual bliss state, Satchitananda. How does the bliss happen that way? When you are not attached to the available stuff, the intangible stuff, that is not in your control. So you need to detach from the tangible to reach the intangible if you make some effort to move from the tangible consciously, to reach the intangible.
I hope I did not complicate it too much!
Question: If we keep doing this, will we then feel the pain of other souls or other beings?
Mohanji: There is no other.
Question: So if someone is being tormented or is experiencing pain…
Mohanji: No, you are so expanded that it is all part of you. Imagine it is just one finger of yours. You are so big, there is no other. There is no other. First of all, understand that this is a personality we are talking of as other, and a body or a physical form, there is no other. In reality, there is nobody else. Once you clearly understand that, then you see the….. but you have to respond to the world in that way, as another, because if you say there is no other and I am everybody etc., people will not understand. So we have to talk in those terms, just for the sake of society, but internally you don’t need to endorse it. Inside, you are liberated, you know you are pure consciousness and you are experiencing that aspect of pure consciousness every moment. So you don’t need to subscribe to anything.
When you see that you are just moving like a jelly, moving around, there will be no blockages in your system, there will be no energy blockages possible, there can’t be. Why? Because you are not at all identifying with the physical, emotional, intellectual, egotistical, etc. The local mind is creating blockages, the unlimited mind has no blockages, where the identification has no value. Imagine someone has given you the power to see all your lives of the past and the future, you have a set of relationships in each life, right? Everything was important at that point in time, but you are looking from above at all these lives, do you feel any attachment to anyone in particular? It will all be like different people of this life, that’s the truth. That’s the truth. Can you call anything mine at all?
When you see from above, all the 100,000 lifetimes are going on, and sometimes it is not a human body. You could be a cat with a few children, that’s you! A cow, a buffalo, a giraffe, but every being had a value at that time, when it was existing, and the value was lost at the time of death. This is the same situation in this life also, our value remains only as long as we are delivering or as long as we are doing something in the world. People become very sad when some of their family members pass on, right? After a few months, if you ask, does the same intensity remain? No. Why so? Time erases things. Time erases, time moves. So this is the reality. This has happened through many lifetimes, we have taken numerous incarnations, to sit here, in this place and we are unnecessarily energizing each situation, just creating blockages. These blockages become an ingredient for the prarabdha or destiny path of next life! Then we get stuck there, same emotional stuff, similar realities come and take over. But what are we?
I tell people to practice this meditation while you are traveling in the bus, or if you are not driving the car. (laughter) If you are sitting in the bus and there is nothing else to do, don’t look at other people, just concentrate on the inside. Allow the aspect of the soul to take over, and then it’s important to get off at the station. But until then if you can, and you have these mobiles which make sounds, you set the timer and then it will wake you up. And when you get off, like you look down from the airplane through the window, you only see ether after some time. You see the clouds all stuck in the ether. And when you start looking inside, it’s the same ether! I am telling you this, this is a tangible thing that I am talking about. Then you will feel, do I have a body? What is this for? It is for expressions, not to carry pains. So when you are plunging into Manasarovar, you are plunging into the ether, energy, soul!
Jokingly – you should make a program in South African TV – Plunging into the soul!
Question: You go to a lot of pilgrimages right? What exactly happens? Is it a substitute for not doing sadhana?
Mohanji: You are provoking me. I told you earlier, I don’t go to any place for something. How can you substitute anything? Can I substitute myself with you? There is no substitution. Understand that if you do sadhana, you do sadhana. When you go to pilgrimages, go with surrender, that you become that. Why we do we go to places of power? To wake up that aspect sitting inside us, to the highest potential. You go to Kailash, the Kailash aspect is already sitting in us. Otherwise, we wouldn’t go there. To wake it up. There is no substituting anything and I don’t go there to get something or ask something.
Question: So you become God
Mohanji: Why do you become God? What are you now then?
Question: I don’t know that I am God
Mohanji: That is you – the mind doesn’t know, but the consciousness knows you are God. All these questions are coming from the mind. That’s why I am answering like that. Because this will never end. Mind will pose another question, in a different level. But the question is the same – different words – so it will sound different, but what is happening is that the mind is refusing to accept the full potential, and it keeps putting some block in the front. So what happens, eventually there is always a separation. Otherwise, you are already God, you are enlightened, you are everything. The aspect of the mind which prevents you from experiencing this is to be surrendered at all these places.
I am not being rude, I am being categorical. These things have to be told in a categorical way so that you do not forget it. So when you go to these power centers, you just become that, so that, that aspect in you, wakes up and it takes a dimensional shift. You are not the same anymore, it’s a total software change. The same thing happens when you are in the proximity of great Masters, they do not leave you empty handed. They fill you up and they change the software without even telling you. But what do we normally do, can you reduce my weight or do this for me? That is what you ask the Master, but Masters give you much more so that you don’t come back again to earth. But nobody asks for that!
Question: This might sound like a ridiculous question…
Mohanji: Then don’t ask, you are taking advance bail now! (laughter)
Question: You said there are hundreds of souls waiting to take human birth…
Mohanji: No one is waiting. It’s all a cycle. No soul waits. Soul waits only when it needs a particular environment or a body. If it is spontaneous cycle of birth and death, no soul waits. And each soul has the potential to take on multiple bodies, but usually it does not happen because the level of evolution stays there. And there are various levels and categories of ‘beingness’. Once you leave the body, say, you wanted to become the President of America. Then you have to stay on till you get that particular womb, which can cause an incarnation which will get you there. Otherwise, for a normal cycle of birth and death, there is hardly any waiting. It is always “prarabhdha” which keeps bringing you back.
The time delay as per the earth conditions happens only when there is some real agenda to fulfill. The soul can wait for thousands of years, there is no time in that zone. The moment you leave the body, you are beyond the time zone, you can stay on. Why? Because only a material made out of matter is subject to decay. Soul has no decay. And astral zone is more like a rainbow zone. Identification is only through a bit of color, like if you had only the chakras and colors and that’s the type of identification you can have. Great Masters who work in those zones, either use golden or just white, and that is the way they communicate. So it is not the same as physical…
Question: My train of thought was that – all these souls are waiting to take human incarnation and here we are, talking about liberation and leaving the body…
Mohanji: No, we are not talking about leaving the body, I think none of us are keen about that! Because someone has spoken about it or we have read about it, we are thinking it is not a bad idea! That is not our sole aim at this point, am I right?
If liberation is the aim, lifestyle would be different; you would not be worried about any of the aspects of life. As it comes, you will take it and leave it. Because you have to be liberated right now, in order to be liberated at the time of death. And liberation now means you are happy with every situation, that is liberation. 100 percent acceptance. Full acceptance. Happy with every situation. Flowing with life, flowing through life. No expectation, these are all signs of liberation. I have written few guidelines, about 20 or 21, in the Path of Pathlessness blog. These are all signs of liberation. If that is the sole aim, we will not sympathize… For example, if you have observed, I do not like sympathizing with people. When someone says he is very sick or ill, what do you do? You endorse his state of being ill. I don’t do that. I don’t have self-pity too! “Poor me, I am suffering”, I never do that. Instead I say, “Ok this is happening” and I move on.
Likewise, the more you sympathize with someone, even your children, you are making them handicapped. These are signs of anti-liberation, that is, you are not in the path of liberation. If you are actually in the path of liberation, every step would be in that direction. You will be more and more connected to the soul aspect. You will allow things to flow and you wouldn’t have your mind stuck on any of the events. You will not capture, conquer, torture. You will be fine, life is flowing, this is it! And what do we own on earth, … at all? Nothing! Not even this body, nothing we own! We are here in a temporary state, for the purpose of some experiences, and what are we carrying? Memories and desires, that is all we are carrying. If the awareness is clear about this, the entire ownership pattern will change!
Question: Are awareness and consciousness the same or are they two different things?
Mohanji: Consciousness is perpetual, always there. It doesn’t have any high or lows. Awareness is the aspect which we experience, in consciousness, which has highs and lows.
Question: Can you speak more about being authentic? Can you imagine the Divine as this feeling of being present? So if we are being authentic and we vibrate at a certain level, versus when we preach something and impress others, but actually we are not like that. I have heard one person say that the higher you go up the ladder of spirituality becoming more subtle, more divine, somehow the forces create an effect that something bounces back, your body starts contracting an illness or there are more and more obstacles.
Mohanji: Being authentic is your nature when you are connected to your soul. Being authentic is not your nature when you are connected to your mind. If you are always occupied in the awareness of your soul, you are always authentic, because there is no demand, no agenda, there is no high or low in this. You are always in a state which is a totally detached state. That’s where we stand. You can see Masters like Bhagawan Nityananda – they were unorthodox in that way. Like when someone had loose motion (diarrhea) or stomach was not feeling good, Shirdi Baba gave them peanuts to eat. Peanuts are bad for loose motion, but he got well. So these are the operating levels of these Masters who have nothing to do with this diarrhea! (laughter) They just delivered something as prasad (consecrated offering) and it solved the problem.
Authenticity is always only one aspect, the soul aspect. There cannot be any authenticity with the mind aspect. How can the mind be authentic? For something to be authentic, you need consistency. Mind can never have consistency because that’s the way it is built. The mind was created so that you can experience life. Mind with your eyes makes you see, otherwise, you will look, you will not see. Mind with your tongue, makes you feel the taste, otherwise, you will eat something but you will not know what you ate! So mind’s job is to make you experience Earth. So authenticity always depends on the soul level and if you are operating on that level, you attract nothing. And even if something comes to your body like Nisargadatta Maharaj or Ramana Maharishi, it doesn’t matter. When someone asked Ramana Maharishi about his cancer, he said there is pain because there is a body, but there is no suffering because there is no mind. It’s very simple, suffering is related to mind, pain is related to your existence.
When people threw stones at Shirdi Sai Baba, he started bleeding, there was blood coming out, and he told people around him, “Blood is here, pain is with God!” He didn’t identify himself with the body. I was talking to Vasudevan Swamy, people threw stones at him, so I asked him, “ Did you see them?” He said, “ Mohanji, it is good that I did not see them. Why should I create a karma with them?” He was happy he did not see them. He was not resentful or angry about it. He said that because he did not see, it was nice! So when you are identified with your soul, whatever happens outside has no value. It’s all happening and it is fun, let the show go on! Did you understand about authenticity? Being with your soul is authentic. Being the soul is the height of authenticity.
Question: In other words, being with the soul is…
Mohanji: How do you know I am with the soul? Don’t make any judgments about it. I was telling somebody today. He asked, “How did you attain enlightenment”. I said, “Who told you I am enlightened?” Don’t try to create concepts and put me in frames because if you restrict my movement or flow, you will suffer, not I. I will flow as I like and you will feel. “That’s not the way I wanted him to flow”. So don’t think that I am only the soul, I am only the body, I am only the mind, I am the intellect, or that I am enlightened, I am Guru, etc. Don’t worry about all these things. Maybe I am not any of these.
Question: Let me put that another way… (Laughter). Then, none of us are authentic
Mohanji: (Laughter ) Don’t generalize. You can say I am not authentic.
That is the variety of existence which God has created. Each person thinks they are authentic and they are happy in their fool’s paradise. Let them be because that’s the flavor the earth needs, otherwise everybody will look like one. It would be so boring! Why the earth has created the variety? Everything is needed here. Violence is not good because it creates poison. In mind, in thought, word, intellect, if there is violence, it is poison.
Whatever makes you happy is nice, isn’t it? Milu has a dog which doesn’t know it is a dog! It is so small, it feels it is a cat! I asked her where did you get this cat? No no no, it’s a dog! All of us have this identity crisis because we believe other people. Other people believe that Mohanji should be like this or decide, Mohanji should walk like this, talk like this, move like this, and then I refuse to conform to any of those set ideas. Then what do they do? They discard me. Oh! He is not good. So that’s freedom, relief!
I think I destroyed your question completely! ( laughter)
Question: When you ask how are you feeling, do you ask them about their experience?
Mohanji: I am asking from their level. People were complaining about body pains and aches, etc., so at that level. I talk to people at their level, what else can I do? I cannot ask how is your soul doing? (laughter) Communication is always in the frequency of the other. When you communicate to your child, you have to communicate in the manner the child understands, isn’t it? So communication always has to be in terms of the other. Non-verbal communication can be different. Verbal communication, and that includes, spoken and written, must be, has to be in terms of the other. If I tell you something that you do not understand, there is no point in my saying it. It’s a benchmark of communication, the other person should understand; similarly for language.
Question: How do I become aware of what I am?
Mohanji: I had explained this before you joined us. Sit down and contemplate what you are not, for sometime. Am I this anger? Am I this hatred? Am I these words that I am uttering? Am I this personality that I am projecting? Keep asking yourself what you are and what you are not. You will arrive at a state where you are 100 percent authentic. All these passing or temporary things, have no value. You need to have consistency in an activity because you are doing certain things, but that is because your existence is revolving around it. That’s OK. Apart from that, all these activities, all these thoughts and words, have limitations and they have longevity, duration. There is no perpetuity in it, no permanence. So you get closer and closer and closer to you, the only permanent aspect in you, you become totally authentic. All the illusions will die. So looking inside helps. And then at each point you can ask, hey, am I talking the truth? It’s a relative truth. There are always three truths – your truth, my truth and the real truth. These three truths are existing at the same time. I say something, that is what I understood as the truth, you will say whatever you understood as truth, about the same subject and there is the real truth which probably may have nothing to do with these two! (laughter). This is how life works.
So, when you go more and more into subtle, you will start seeing only the real truth, in its full light; you may not even articulate it because there is nothing to tell about it! Just acceptance, that this is the real truth, this is how it should be. Whenever we stop accepting the real truth and we stick to our truth, there is pain. Why? Because we are depending on partial truth. Partial truth essentially gives pain, agony, regrets, guilt – all these are based on partial truth. Real truth leaves no residue, that’s the flow of life. Sun operates on real truth. The basic codes or ingredient of Sanatana Dharma, which the Hindu structure follows, are based on real truth, only real truth. There is zero partial truth. There is no truth which has been told. When something is told, it could be to a version, not the real. So there is always a difference.
So, never base your life on versions, because you will have pain. When you know the real truth, you will have agony. But if you are based on real truth, you are always free. Freedom happens because you are conforming to the real truth all the time. That is why I say, always, do the right thing, based on your awareness. Be right, do right. Do right means something which is non-violent and not hurting other people, do what is right and then life will be fun! And keep introspecting, is this me? Is this aspect in me, which is real? If you consistently follow this you will discard all illusions. Illusions go by themselves. We are actually sponsoring illusions, that is why it stays. We subscribe to it, annual membership fee, so it keeps coming back. Illusions are flavors which life offers as entertainment. They are the television programs of life; these illusions, they exist only for some time and then go away. Like fools, one believes that this is real and then cry – even in relationships, no pun intended. (laughter)
Question: Perhaps you have explained this already, but I don’t understand the difference between being sensitive and being emotional. For example, I don’t read newspapers because I get upset when I read about the war in Syria or something like that. Am I being emotional or am I being sensitive?
Mohanji: That’s escapism, its none of these. If you are avoiding something, that is escapism. You should be open about everything. Why do you have to convert something into emotion and store it inside? Can you do something about it? For example, you see my Facebook Page. I talk about cruelty to animals, quite a lot. This is spreading awareness. People in the world have woken up to the idea and are conveying it further. So this is the job I am doing. So when you really feel something, you should convey it in a proper way, not in a violent or in a manner that it hurts other people, not like accusing or criticizing or judging someone, because that is going in a negative way. But you can definitely convey something saying, this is what I feel. You have every right to talk.
Remember the last words of Karl Marx, the founder of Communist ideology? People asked him, ”Do you have anything to tell the world before you die?” He said “ Last words are for those who could not express themselves while alive. So before they leave, they have to say something. Fortunately for me, I never had that problem.” (laughter). So, articulate while you can. See, there are some years of relevance for every individual. It varies from person to person. Saints have relevance through life. Jesus was alive and active for eight years and these are the years we are talking about. So his years of relevance, out of 32 is 8. Like that each person has a relevant time. It is up to you to make each moment relevant.
Then you become valuable to the world outside, not when you are asking more from the world. When you keep becoming valuable to the world outside, your years or moments of relevance increase. That’s what everyone should do! It’s not about spirituality, it’s about being more and more relevant in a positive way. It doesn’t matter whether you are sensitive or not. The problem with being emotional is that you keep adding junk into your system. Being sensitive is a good idea; I was talking to Avadhoota Nadananda and he had tears flowing from his eyes. I asked him, “Guruji, why do we have to feel, why should we feel at all ?” He said, “ Mohanji, sometimes, remember that you have a body.” That means that since you have a human body, be a human. It helps. So if you are a human being, you should be sensitive.
Be a human all the time, so feel, but don’t store it, because storing makes you feel terrible. Then you can’t eat, you can’t sleep, there are blockages, etc. but you understood a situation, assimilated it, passed it on and you moved onto the next. So, you are existing like a flowing river. You are always free and you are valuable to the world outside. If you look at all our activities, it is adding value to somebody. I am not asking you to do things for me. What have you done for me? But when you conduct a meditation, or when somebody says, I had this great experience and I could sort out this problem, how are you benefitted? You become the instrument or medium for something higher, for somebody, whom you do not even know! That’s where your relevance shows. It’s not that you promote Mohanji’s meditation, it doesn’t matter. That is why we put up all the meditations free on the website, you download, you practice, you benefit!
So, being relevant has a lot of value. Years of relevance is up to you. Most of the Masters you can see, like Prabhupada was dictating a book, almost until two minutes before he left the body! Most Masters have worked until the last moment. They have all been relevant to the world until their last breath. So this is something that you can definitely do. If you start looking at the world and say how can I add value, that is all matters. And it can be statements, even if you have a business, an ethical business can be a good statement. See, I do business ethically. And live it. That’s a good statement you are giving to the world. At every point it doesn’t have to be charity or spirituality, I am talking about lifestyle. Your very lifestyle can be like that. So it’s more of an attitude.
Question: During the Badrinath Yatra and here, there is a great feeling of contentment inside. I know it will only enhance for the rest of the duration of the journey, it’s also the setting, we are near you, the group is in a certain way. When we go back into the real world, we go back into our day to day lives, how do we protect this feeling of fulfillment and contentment, while we go through the daily duties?
Mohanji: That is why I said, write down, read it, meditate on it, feel it. This is very important. When you write down these things. See, what you felt, if you do not write down, when you are in real life and in the society, your own mind will say ,“it never happened!” So it is important to write down everything, the way you felt it, with the gratitude and all this is not for publication, there is no need to publish it; but your own mind will need reconfirmation at some points in time. Second is articulate it, not to unreceptive ears and you are not trying to preach, but whenever you have a few receptive ears, tell them, “ I had this experience and it was totally different from the usual insecurities and expectations. We were in a state where we needed nothing! “
When do you become a king? When you need nothing. We are all slaves in some way, we are slaves because we keep asking for something. Even if you need one thing, you are a slave to that thing. If you need nothing, you are fully powerful. So a state where you needed nothing, and everything was coming your way, when you need nothing, everything comes to you! So, write about it and articulate it so that you are spreading positivity and people will know that there are methods where you can get out of your tedium and connect to the higher. As I said, all this is available, the highest is available. Are we able to receive it ? Have we tuned our antennae properly so that we can receive the channel? That is the only question. All of us have the same capacity, no one is higher or lower. That is what I told you. No one can be called higher or lower. How do we know? Don’t think that I am enlightened. There is no need to think that. What if I am not enlightened, then the whole glass building will crash. What is next? Disillusionment! I am saying do not think one emotion is not there in your system anymore. That is why I said, avoid the concepts, accept the reality. Just flow, no problem.
Question: Continuing on the previous question, if we write down experiences, aren’t we creating memories?
Mohanji: But they are positive memories, aren’t they? You are definitely creating negative memories and storing them. Without your control, you are creating negative memories and storing them. Am I right? Yes! Then write something positive and store it.
Question: But wouldn’t the mind expect the same thing again and again?
Mohanji: Let it be! At least this is positive. It elevates you. What is positive? Whatever expands you is positive. Whatever elevates you is positive. Whatever shrinks you or contracts you is negative. So look at that aspect and stay positive. Why do I say keep doing something for the helpless? It expands you, makes you rich inside. Inner richness stays forever. Outer richness we have no idea. People, relationships, we have no idea because mind keeps changing and then people change. So we don’t know anything about these things. But inner richness is your choice. You can serve and be rich. Terribly rich, much more than the billionaires of this world. Don’t think that if you have a lot of money, you will be very happy.
A lot of people will be looking at your money and you will be busy safeguarding it! Most of the rich people are only custodians of their property. They are just watchmen, they don’t sleep and they suffer because of the money. But some people you can see, even with little money, they share it, enjoy their food and sleep well. I am not saying, don’t have money. I am saying, opt for inner richness, much more than outer richness. When you have inner richness and outer richness comes, it balances itself. Everything needs maturity. Relationships need maturity, richness needs maturity, spirituality needs maturity, all of these need maturity. But when you are operating from your mind level, it cannot happen. When you operate from awareness level, it is possible.
Question: What is reality?
Mohanji: Who’s asking? (laughter) Only a hand answered!
One word answer – “ You”. As far as you are concerned, only you! Now you find yourself and find the reality. That’s all, there is nothing else more real than you.
Devi: I just feel that this is a unique chance that we are going to Kailash. I was really deeply touched by this book that I am reading, I still haven’t read the second half of the book.
Mohanji: You are lucky! ( laughter)
Devi: Whatever I have read so far, creates an awe, of how special this place is and how profound it is that we have been drawn as souls to come. Unless we had this vibration in us already, we wouldn’t have made it. But it’s all about transcending. It’s not about just walking, and as Mohanji said, praying for something. If we just stepped there with awe, with gratitude, there are so many caves in there, so many special constructions made by highly evolved beings, which respond to our thoughts. It is said that there is a stone called ”Shantamani” in small Kailash which is right next to big Kailash. The stone is highly secure because there is no way one could reach small Kailash. The way it is made, it is inaccessible. This stone is such that it has the power of controlling our thoughts. It could never ever come in the hands of manipulative people but it responds to our sincere thirst for elevation. So if there is any prayer we should make, it is to transcend all our limits as human beings, full of thoughts, doubts and insecurities. As we walk and as we go through the challenges of the physical body, we should just embrace that elevated feeling of fullness and gratitude, keep on chanting something that will reinforce that feeling of fullness and gratitude and be in awe of the great ones there.
Our ancestors said that this was the city of Gods made 850,000 years ago!! It is mind blowing that we are stepping right there! And there are shapes that occurred over time, that open the space up to parallel worlds, that open the portals for space crafts to come and be there. All this is happening! He ( the author of the book) initially went with a scientist’s mind of investigating. And then he understood, he said he didn’t want this to be a topic discussed over coffee and cigarettes, of what this dude from Russia discovered. Because in a way you understand that these sacred things cannot be revealed to just about anybody, to people with lower vibration. Only those who really start becoming subtler and subtler, start expressing more love, more gratitude, will have access to this higher knowledge. So as our aura enters this field, through our system, we can imbibe so much blessing and knowledge and vibration, that’s way beyond what we can comprehend through our mind.
What we see in the movie, Matrix, is all real! We are multi-dimensional beings. So once we are there, we could enter a trance state and be teleported somewhere and come back and be aware of it or not be aware of it. We can usually jog for one hour and get tired or walk for three hours and also get tired without walking. If we can transcend our physical body, our body at some point walks by itself! This is what we are aiming to reach! So then there is no tiredness, simply we are carried by this vibration! I was also reading the knowledge of how this world was created – deep secrets exist right there in the Himalayas! There are underground tunnels, just like in the Bosnian Pyramids. The Kailash area is full of underground tunnels! So when we walk in the sacred grounds, there are so many beings there in Samadhi state, they are below our feet, so when we walk, we should do so with that reverence, and ask for the blessing of the connection being made in their presence. It is said that if you have negative thoughts, you can really have quite tough experiences. You don’t bring any of these vibrations in their presence. It’s like being in front of the sanctum sanctorum of a temple. You don’t bring negativities there – like this person is very mean, he didn’t do this for me and have grudges against somebody, or complaints and so on. Don’t bring any of those in your mind, when you walk there.
Mohanji: That’s why I said sort out all your differences before you enter this zone so that you can elevate yourself to the highest point.
Devi: There’s one mountain which has the shape of a laser. They discovered that this laser beam goes to small Kailash and from there, to the top of big Kailash. From there, they made shapes just like a child would draw on a canvas! They made the shapes of the different mountains, and there are clear differences between nature made mountains and these that were made in this way! And whatever the excess materials were that were used to carve a certain shape, the laser beams could dissolve the excess materials that were used! Its mind blowing that it was all available at that time, and over the years, how much we have gone down actually! All the technology, even NASA and all that is not even 5 % of what we had at that time!
Mohanji: What happened was that as the evolutionary beings, like animal to human, started occupying the earth more and more, the transcended beings, left the place. There was no point in competing with the beings which are of much different frequency. I wouldn’t call anyone lower or higher, but frequencies which are much more basic. These are beings which learned the aspect of limitation. The moment you are able to handle limitation, you can move any material anywhere, including yourself. Some of these pyramids and other places we have visited, they are all signs of their existence. They left it as a kind of cage for humans to ….! And most of the people did not even see it, they made them burial grounds! They are not meant to be burial grounds, they are meant to be places of power!
Of course, Kailash is a place where lots of beings visit from other locations, who are evolved. They can come and go. And they do deliver if you are an eligible seeker. I was telling someone today, not sure who, that you can request the Masters to open you up! You can tell them that you are ready, at least deeper than your mind if possible, that I am actually ready for the highest or the higher and some of them come and help you. Some of them do appear, this is all part of it! And when you walk, please remember you are not walking, whoever brought you there, they are walking! You are just an instrument. Stop being you at least at that point! So you say that you are an instrument and you are being projected to that zone, for the higher, there are so many before you, after you!!!