We Are That Which We Are Looking For

An interview with the Serbian newspaper “Dnevnik”

(Saturday, Dnevnik Magazin, issue 26th Nov-2nd Dec 2017)

MOH by Marko Milovic FB (4)What does it mean to be a spiritual teacher? How does one become one, and what responsibility does it include?

The spiritual teacher itself is a concept. I would say you don’t need to teach a fish how to swim. Like that, you don’t need to teach anybody to be spiritual, because you are spiritual by birth. When I say you are spiritual by birth, every being, forget about human – every being has a physical  – body aspect, mind – mental aspect i.e. emotions, the intellectual aspect which is knowledge, intellect, intelligence and ego aspect – personality. The personality is connected to ego. These are the four major aspects of every being. Even if it’s a dog or a cat, it’s the same. What makes all these active is the spirit that means the soul. When the soul leaves the body, everything goes down, everything is collapsed. So, being aware of the soul is spiritual. When you are aware that it’s a soul which is making your body function, your mind function, your intelligence function, that the energy behind ego is soul, that everything is connected to spirit or soul, then you realize you are spiritual. That realization is the only realization you need. This is beyond religion, you can be Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, no problem, you are spiritual. You cannot be non-spiritual. But some people are not aware, some people are aware. When a person is clearly aware, he is called a spiritual master. When a person is fully aware that there is no physical, no emotional, no intellectual, no ego, but only th soul which is making all this function, and when the soul leaves, everything goes away, when you have that awareness, you are called a master. So everybody is a master in some level. I do not call myself a spiritual teacher or a master because everybody is a spiritual master or teacher in their own way. I think my existence is the teaching, my living certain principles is the message to the world, not that what I teach. Nobody can teach anybody about soul, you have to experience it and everybody experiences soul in their own way. I cannot say – this is the way to experience soul, nor can I say – this is right, this is wrong. You experience all in your own way. A cow experiences soul in a particular way, a dog, every being experiences soul in a particular way, in different ways. I think if I say I’m a spiritual teacher, it is my audacity; I should rather say that if somebody is benefitted because of what I speak, I’m happy and grateful because there is a saying: if you have seen light, show one person that light and your job is over. So if I have seen light, and if somebody sees light through me, I’m happy. I’m grateful.

Q: Thank you. Why have we been taught we thrive through suffering and not through joy? You have had some experience. Why is it so?

A: Yes, well, it is said there is a difference here. One is that there are millions of things outside us, literally billions of materials, people, places, time, things outside us and the purpose of our incarnation is experience, so we are supposed to experience all these things in whichever way we can connect. To experience them, we have been given five senses – eyes, nose, ears, mouth, skin; and to experience through these five senses – one mind. That one mind can only experience one thing at a time. Even though we talk about multitasking, multitasking borders on absentmindedness. I’m talking about full-mindedness, full concentration, full being. We can experience only one thing – either happiness or sorrow. This is our life – billions of things, five senses, one mind, one experience at a time which can be classified as happiness or sorrow. Everybody’s existence is like that, at every point in time. So where does the suffering come? When we’re experiencing sorrow, if we resist, it becomes suffering. We do not resist happiness. When we’re happy, we don’t resist, so it’s okay. But when we have sorrows, we resist. It becomes suffering. And when it becomes suffering, the problem is it goes longer. The period becomes extended. Then it’s prolonged suffering and the cause is resistance. You’re pushing it away. So, in my life, I believe (which, when I look back, I completely understand), all these things which have been taken away from me, all the things which I was very close to, or deeply connected to, which I thought were very precious, have been removed. If they were not removed, today I would not be sitting in front of you. I would be fully occupied with those things – myself, my family, my pleasure, my things. When it was all taken away, I became the world. So I believe the purpose was very clear at that time and the purpose is clear today because I’m talking to people and people are getting benefitted. And if I had a fully good life, a pleasant life, if I talked to somebody who has gone through pains, he would ask me: you have not experienced anything, how are you talking? Now nobody can say I have not experienced anything. I have experienced much more than most of the people, so I’m talking from personal point of view.
Now, if you look at the story of Lord Ram, he’s supposed to be an avatar. Just a few hours before he was made the king, or crowned as the prince, he was sent to forest. Political turmoil happened, he was sent to forest for fourteen years, with his newly married wife, bride. They were all in the forest. An avatar went through this process and then his wife was kidnapped and he went through the whole journey to find her. And he found her – a big battle, he won the battle, rescued the wife and brought her home, etc. A life full of struggles. Why was an avatar created that way? If he has not gone through pains, he cannot talk. People will not accept him, they do not feel connected.

For example, Jesus was very powerful, unbelievably powerful. He could have easily changed the destiny. He could have avoided the cross. If Jesus had been afraid of the cross, there would be no Christianity today.

So if you look at the past, everybody who has spoken to people, has spoken from the platform of pains. It’s not necessary, I’m not saying it is necessary, but pains are all part of life, and they all say – don’t be afraid of pains, don’t resist them; let them come, let them go. Like pleasure is coming and going, suffering and pain is coming and going. When you push the pain away, it becomes suffering. So suffering is our choice.

Bosnian pyramids FB (1)Q: There are many people for whom it is difficult to discover their purpose, mission, goal, path. Can someone like you teach them and help them?

A: You know, we all have taken birth with only one purpose – experience. Another purpose, if you can say, is expression. Because we are not higher than anybody, lower than anybody, equal to anybody. We are unique. As a creation, we are complete and unique. There’s nobody like us. So we are expressing this uniqueness into this world. Like, you are expressing your uniqueness, I cannot do that. Only you can. Like that, if everybody, 7.5 billion people understand the uniqueness, and share what they have, there would be world peace. You wouldn’t need anybody to talk about peace, there would be peace. So why then is there a conflict and struggle? Because we do not recognize that we are unique. We think we are incomplete. It’s a mind thing, mind is creating that effect. We are complete. We are full. We are unique. And this is exactly what we need to express into the world. So, that is one job, one aspect.

Second, our life starts with the womb of the mother. Our longest relationship in a lifetime is with mother, because before people started seeing you, you have connected to your mother, nine months before. At least for these nine months, you have a deeper connection with your mother. So starting from the mother’s womb, your life starts; until your grave, it continues. And in each point in time, experiences are different and you may not have consciously chosen them. For example, we are sitting here and we are talking. This time last year we did not know we were going to talk, this is it. So time, space, situation, communication, experience of the communication, all this is destiny, predetermined, determined before, this is called destiny. At that point in time, experiencing that thing is a purpose of every existence. This is what we call purpose. Purpose of every incarnation is experience, and experience is laid out in time. What you experience today, you cannot experience tomorrow. Being in the present, fully conscious of the experience is the best way you can lead a beautiful life. It doesn’t matter whether it’s happiness or sorrow. When happiness happens, be happiness, when sorrow happens, be sorrow, so that both of them become complete. Life is not always happiness. Life is not always sorrow.

Q: Why?

A: Because that’s how it is. Because our own operating platform works like this – happiness and sorrow. This is the way the world is created, everything is like that. Like we grow older, like when we were ten years old, it was a different feeling, experience, body, everything. When you became twenty, it became different, when you hit thirty, it’s different. So things are like that. It’s like a wave, happiness and sorrow. It continues and it has nothing to do with other people, it’s a personal experience. So the purpose of every experience, of every life is experiencing whatever you’re experiencing. That is why you took birth in Serbia, or I took birth in India. Or all these things are connected to that experience. You could not have had the experience you had in your life if you hadn’t taken birth here. That is why the play of destiny is very, very real. It’s unchangeable. So that’s the purpose of life.

Now, how can you make the higher purpose of life, make the purpose of life higher, better? Very simple, just ask one question, ”I am a citizen of Serbia, how can I call myself a citizen of Serbia and what have I done for or given to this country.?” It will be enough. Your purpose becomes higher. Don’t worry about the political situation, who’s the president, who’s the prime minister, it doesn’t matter. What, as an individual, have you given back to Serbia? Of course, everybody has taken from the country. We’re all taking lots of things from the country. That doesn’t make us great citizens. What you have given to the country makes you great citizens. So if you want to build up your purpose, build the purpose with the motherland. Make sure you contribute to the motherland, much more than you take from the motherland. Then, purpose is very high. And then, don’t look at other people. Is government appreciating, is media appreciating, other people, it doesn’t matter. Are you being real? See, it’s an individualistic thing. But if I am confident about my life on earth, I will not care about what others think, because I’m doing the good thing. If I’m doing bad things, then I should be careful. But if I’m serving the country in my own way, I’m contributing to the country in my own way. And how can you contribute to your country? It need not be money, it can be time, it can be knowledge, it can be love, it can be skill, it can be your experience converted into upliftment of the poor, in your own way. That makes your life purpose complete. And if you’re concentrating on that life purpose, I’m hundred percent sure there’ll be glory, there’ll be greatness.

Mohanji on Bosnian pyramids
The best medicine for feeling incomplete is awareness. Just ask one question, so what?

Q: Some people feel they have some emptiness, that something is missing in their lives. How can they be given hope?

A: I’ll give you one example. You know, mind asks for completion. Something is not right. I want to be complete. So we fall in love, we have relationships, we have materials, new mobile phones, new refrigerator, new gadgets, this is all to fill up the vacuum of the mind. But have you ever thought about one situation, in the night, when you sleep, you keep all the gadgets away, and you are content in your sleep. So you don’t need anything to be happy. In deep sleep, you’re very happy. If you’re really sleepy, you don’t even need a bed. This is human nature. So waking state mind will always push you and say I want this, I want that. It also compares – oh, she’s not like me, or I’m not like that other person. This is all the mind’s game. So what you need to do is be aware. Mind is like that, mind will always talk about deficiency. Mind will say this is not right, oh if only I was born in America, things would be better. No guarantee. Every place is the same in the world and I don’t think any place is good or bad. It’s how we create it, how we are, that is how our experience will be. This emptiness is happening because we are craving for something, emptiness is coming out of lack of something which the mind is telling.

But at that time, the best medicine is awareness. Just one question, so what? When you say – oh, you are not like somebody else, you are not a millionaire – so what? Where is richness sitting? In my ability to share. A real person’s richness sits in his ability to share what they have. Like you have a piece of bread, you share half the bread with somebody. You’re rich.  Not that kind of richness where you share nothing, they are glorified poor people. You know, many of the rich people are very poor people, poor inside. They are afraid of their own wealth, they’re afraid of losing things. You can see some people, there are some documentaries they’ve done, researches they’ve done with homeless people. Somebody gives them bread, and then somebody else dresses up as a poor person and says, ”I didn’t eat anything, can you share some bread with me?” They immediately share. That man has not eaten food, and he got one piece of bread, immediately he gives half of it. That is the heart of richness. Maybe he’s homeless, but the heart of richness. That is the remedy for the “vacuumness”. You look at the world and see what you can share. You will be very rich inside.

Q: How to deal with negativity?

A: Negativity is the reality. Like there is positive, there is negative, there is night, there is day. Negativity travels with positivity. I always tell people: don’t deal with negativity with negativity, your hands will become dirty. You should deal with negativity by increasing positivity. For example, somebody is talking bad, you constantly turn to good talk. If you feel somebody is not doing the right thing, you constantly do the right thing. Invest in positivity, more and more. For instance, look at this cup. Imagine there is some mud in the cup, and there is water. So mix water and mud together and you cannot drink. But you keep pouring the good water. After a while, all the mud will be washed away and the water will become pure.  Pour more positivity into life. Good thoughts, good words, good actions, these are three levels. So consistently have good thoughts, for example, “What can I do for Serbia?”, “How can I improve the lives of people around me?” not expecting anything in return, that is very important. If you expect, then people sometimes criticize you. So don’t think about anything, just concentrate on the positive: thought, word, action.  That will be a good counter for negativity. Negativity will get fed up of you because you are not interested (laughter). You know, imagine I’m abusing you, I’m calling you a monkey or a donkey, and you’re just sitting and looking at me. After a while, I’ll get bored with it (laughter). So this is the best way to handle negativity, increase positivity. Thoughts, words, action. Whenever someone tries to talk negative about someone, just say, “That’s not my cup of tea, I’m not interested”. When somebody says to me, ”You are not a good person,” why should I know this information? To me, I’m happy with you. I look at this in this way: everybody is good and everybody is bad. In today’s time, good and bad sits in the same person. I’m not perfect, so I can expect the other person to be perfect? I have my weaknesses, I have my strengths, everybody has them. So why do I highlight only the weaknesses? People love to highlight weaknesses. You say that, you have all this information, keep it with you, don’t tell anyone, this is very precious.

Q: So, this is like the story about good and bad wolf, do you know it?

A: Yes, yes. Absolutely.

Q: Nowadays, more than ever, there are many different spiritual practices, how do I choose the right thing?

A: That’s a very good question. Today, it’s an information explosion, too many things. I like to believe that every spiritual teacher, practice, religion is good, because they are helping somebody. Like churches, mosques, temples, synagogues, everything is good for somebody. But what suits you is what you can do without effort. Something is effortless for you, like the dress you wear. If I give you double the size of the dress, maybe this is a very good quality dress, but you can’t use it, because it doesn’t suit you. Likewise, I’m making excellent food, but it’s all made out of dog meat and cat meat and stuff. I say this is amazing food, but you will say? Thank you very much, you eat it, I don’t want it. So what suits you is the most important thing. Everything starts with you, and ends with you. All the spiritual teachers, and teachings are outside of you, just like buffet, but you pick up what suits you, and make sure you can digest it. If you eat something you cannot digest, it’s totally wasted. It’s not about what the mass follows, many people are following one, one master, one teaching. Maybe that’s not suitable for you. So you don’t have to follow the mass, you have to follow what suits you. There is a general thumb rule: what is suitable for you comes to you. Also, always make sure you try to practice it. If it’s not suitable, be bold enough to say it’s not my cup of tea. You don’t have to do it, it’s not your way to go. It’s not compulsory that you must practice to grow. It’s more important to connect to yourself and see – how is my heart beating? Who beats my heart? How is my respiration happening? Every hour my nostrils are changing, one hour this nostril, then the other one, who is making this change? Start exploring yourself like that and you will start understanding yourself much more. Then the information that is suitable comes to you. We do not even try to explore ourselves, we don’t spend time with ourselves. Instead, we spend time with a master, or a book, or a teaching. That is why they are not able to connect. The fundamental problem why you can’t connect to something outside is you are not well connected inside. If you are not well connected inside, you cannot connect outside. This is the difference. I always tell people, “If you want to read one book, that book should be called you”. You are the only book you must read in this lifetime.
Explore like a child – hey look, my nose is shifting, who’s doing it? Likewise, the heart is beating, without a stop, and the hearting is resting, it’s beating and resting. Then, one kidney is resting, while the other is functioning. Who’s running all this show? And the secretion of body juices, e.g. when the food goes from mouth, at that time through the pipe, that secretion is different, each time it’s different, each organ is fun, how is it synchronised so well? Each organ functions properly. If this was upside down, everything goes waste, or nothing works.  So that exploration is very important. You can start with the breath, then listen to the sounds inside you, then feel, connect to the spine. You will become so connected to yourself, that you will automatically become really powerful. Then you see the masters who suit you. I’m 100% sure the right master will come to you.

Mohanji - satsang
if you are doing one practice in your life, practice being with you. Spend time with you. Alone. Feel. You don’t have to meditate, just explore yourself. Just be yourself. Appreciate yourself, accept yourself. It will give you amazing power.

Q:  If I’m only focusing on myself, am I selfish?

That is different. Selfishness is something from outside, you want only for yourself. When you look within to feel yourself, this is self-sufficiency. Big difference. Selfishness is when you want  everything only for yourself. Place, people, material, food, time, all for yourself. But when you’re connected to yourself, and not really connected to the world outside – of course, you go to work, take a bath, eat food and all that – but at the same time, you are occupied inside, that is self-sufficiency. I believe if you are doing one practice in your life, practice being with you. Spend time with you. Alone. Feel. You don’t have to meditate, just explore yourself. Just be yourself. Appreciate yourself, accept yourself. It will give you amazing power.

Q: So many people use things like gadgets and such, that get us away from oursleves.

That is because it’s easy to connect something outside. It’s difficult to connect with yourself. See, you can appreciate another person, but can you appreciate yourself? Mostly, we can’t. We love another person, but how much we love ourselves? It’s easy to accept Mohanji, but that doesn’t matter. Are we accepting ourselves? That matters. You love Mohanji, okay, this is very good, but do you love yourself? If you don’t love yourself, even if you love Mohanji, you will not be complete.

Q: In Serbian language, “spirituality” and “humour” are very similar words. What is true spirituality? How does it connect with humour?

True spirituality is you being you. Completely being yourself. Then happiness happens. When you know that you are everything.  In Sanskrit, there is one saying, the ultimate message: TAT TVAM ASI. It means: YOU ARE THAT. Whatever you are looking for outside is within. They give a comparison of a musk deer. I think the deer’s musk is somewhere near the groin or navel.  So the deer feels this nice smell and it’s searching where it’s coming from. It does not know it’s coming from itself. Human beings are like that.  We forget that everything is within us. We are complete by creation, we are complete by destination. We are that. This is true spirituality. True spirituality is recognizing yourself. You being you.

Humour means, when you look at this then you start laughing at this whole world, because this is a joke. People try to conquer, make things, big buildings… and they die. At the end of the day, there’s nothing. You came with hands open, you will leave with hands open. Whatever we did, finished. So I look at life as a joke. People say, ”My religion is better than your religion,” I say ,”Be whatever religion, it doesn’t matter,” (laughter) when we die, we all end up in one place anyway. Like that, everything is momentary. Just be happy and love unconditionally. I should love you not because you are somebody, not because you have something in your pocket, I should love you as I love myself. When I look at you, I cannot see another person, it’s me in another body, experiencing different things. Simple.

Q: What should we do to make this world a better place?

Two things. We must share what we have. Time, money, knowledge, material things, love. You can share. You must share. You should share what you have in abundance, not what you don’t have, of course. Number two, we should look at every being on earth as equal. It can be an ant, an elephant, a whale, a human being… All the species should have the same right. Same existence so that there is no energy conflict. We will all look at all the beings in the same order. That is how creation has maintained the species on Earth, the wild and the civilised, etc. everything is connected and interconnected but we have separated ourselves from the nature. We do not know nature, we have disconnected from it. That is why we fall sick, because we are in a stale atmosphere, that is why we have this problem. World peace is definitely possible, only if we enhance the goodness factor with two things. Be good. Do good. That’s it. Don’t worry about spirituality and meditations and all this, just be good. Be good first to yourself. This means accept yourself. Be good to the world and do good. Do good means do something that makes people happy. Share things, this is it. That’s the way we can have more peace.

Q: Would you like to tell us as a Serbian son-in- law, how do you see Serbia now and in the future?

In fact, I really like Serbia, not because my wife is Serbian, but whoever I met, I never felt any separation. I felt I’m loved and respected. It’s a very good feeling to be here. One thing I have experienced here from the spiritual point of view is that lots of people are interested in true spirituality, which means, inner exploration. Not books or things outside, but exploring yourself inside, spending time with yourself, recognising and accepting yourself. Many people are interested. That is a very good sign. If you are exploring inside, society will be better because when you see yourself in everybody you will have no conflict  with the world. You will love, and you can only love, because it’s all you. So I believe I am contributing to the society. Since the time I first came here, in 2009 or 2010, till now, if a few people have transformed into positivity, I am very happy. I always make it a point, that wherever I go, I add value to the society. I don’t take anything from the society. I add value so that the world will be a better place. The secret is this: if more people are happy in the society, society is peaceful. Then if society is peaceful, the country is peaceful. If countries are peaceful, world is peaceful. So I always believe that whatever I can deliver, I would like to deliver. Even if there is only one person receptive, I give them. And I don’t preach religion. Religion is an individual choice. I respect all religions, and all paths, because it’s suitable for somebody. I never say, something is right, something is wrong. Only an insecure person will blame another person, or say something is right, and something is wrong, say some religions are good and some are bad. I don’t have that problem, I’m not insecure. I would like to make that stability in the hearts of people, which I am seeing happening. That way I like to believe that I am contributing to this country so these visits aren’t wasted and if I see that reflected in the society, I’m very happy. Today, or tomorrow, whether I’m alive, I don’t know. But today when I’m talking I am adding value. This is what I feel. I feel good to be here. I don’t come here as often as I should, because there are so many countries and activities, but I make it a point to come here at least once in three months or once in six months.

Mohanji - satsang in Skopje, Macedonia, questions, answers
Only an insecure person will blame another person, or say something is right, and something is wrong, say some religions are good and some are bad. I don’t have that problem, I’m not insecure. I would like to make that stability in the hearts of people, which I am seeing happening.

 Transcribed by Tijana Sladoje and Monika Dizdarevic




Those Who Love Me Have Me – part 2

An Interview with Mohanji for Serbian Magazine ONA – part 2

(November 2017)
You can read it in Serbian here.

Heroes of My Mission

Q: Mohanji voluntary clubs exist in 15 countries. How much has their work contributed to You becoming becoming a global phenomenon?

A:  I have never measured how much my work has travelled, in various places based on my teachings organisations have mushroomed and I would like to believe that  it is giving benefit to the local people of those countries. Whatever has any master ever said in the world the understanding levels have always been different. I would like to believe that I have made my teachings in a baby foot format so that everybody understands without distortion, this is what I feel. I sit and clarify points time and again so that people remain with the right understanding, I put a lot of effort in that. Nevertheless all these places, in the 16-17 countries, I’ve never counted. It’s growing, it’s grown by itself and people are benefited. They are practising meditations practising various things like Kriya, healing, Conscious walking, all these things which are all helping somebody in this world. This is the only thing which I look at – are all this activities beneficial? If they are beneficial, I’m happy. If they are not beneficial I tell people not to do them, because whatever you do without any reason, or without any conclusion, or without any purpose is a burden. So I tell people don’t do it. It’s growing and I’m happy to see it growing, I’m not putting any special effort or doing anything specific to make anything grow. Our people have taken it on themselves – the people who love me, the people who feel connected to me, they are putting in the effort to spread the word – and that’s how it’s growing. So on the whole credit I would like to give to the people who are deeply connected to me, they have been inspired and they are spreading the inspiration. It’s the effort of all the people who are selflessly working for this mission without my asking for it. These are the real heroes of this mission.

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When I see the continuity factor I also see the seriousness, I also see that they are determined. All those things are very attractive to me.

Q: Before the retreat at Bor Lake you will be staying in Switzerland, then Slovenia, Macedonia and India. Do you like travelling? What do you like to see in most new places?

A: I do not fancy travelling, or I do not foresee travelling. What I do is that when people call or when people say that they would like to be with me or want to see me I do not deny it. From July 2012 onward I have not stayed in one place for more than 10 days. It’s a bit tedious that way, so I can’t say that I’m enjoying all these travels but I travel, if I have to. For the sake of people who call me with love. See, there is one thing which nobody can deny, the effect of love. When somebody calls you with love, nobody can deny it. All of our programs in the world are more or less free, except the retreats in which we have to pay for the resorts and the pilgrimages, where we have to pay for the facilities and the travel. Apart from that all of our programs in the world, all my public Satsangs are free. So it’s not that I would like to go and do it, but when people are getting benefited and they call, I go because this is exactly what I am here for. Otherwise there is no purpose for my existence. The relevance of Mohanji today is the positive changes that he’s making in people’s lives. This is the real purpose of my existence. In order to have that happening, if I have to travel, I travel. It’s not that I foresee a lot of travelling in the future, I don’t. I also believe that I will probably be sitting in one place and people, if interested, will be coming to see me there and we will be talking every evening in a systematic way. All these things are in the mind but until then, if I have to travel, I will travel but that’s not something I’m looking forward to. I love all these places and the people, the main thing about the places are the people sitting there. Their love attracts me to those places, otherwise the whole world is the same. I love the beauty of various countries, the beauty of locations, I love them – it really enchants me. This is all fine but at the end of the day it’s the love of the people that brings me to those places, which I respect. I respect anybody who loves me unconditionally because I feel that this is the highest wealth I have ever earned in this life. The love of the people. Even if somebody hates me I sometimes feel sad, why do you have to hate me? Because I have only love to give… This is the way it goes, all the places I have visited I visited because of the loving people of those places. I think it’ll continue for as long as it takes but I have not kept any agenda.

Q: When do You consider your mission with individuals, with your spiritual disciples, complete? What do you like to read or hear from them? What makes you happy?

A: There is no beginning nor end to the spiritual mission as long as the individuals have spirit. That means as long as they have a soul, there is room for spirituality. Your awareness of your soul is spirituality. The more awareness happens about the soul which is running the show, the more spiritual you are. If you develop awareness more and more about your soul, you are spiritual. As long as there are human beings there will be spirituality and it has nothing to do with religions, nor gurus, nor masters, nor books. This is something internal. The more people are connecting to their inside, to the subtleties, the subtle aspect which is the soul, the more spirituality there will be. My contribution, as I said earlier, is based on time and space. If there are people who like to listen to me, I will talk. If there is nobody to listen to me I won’t talk. I have not kept any agenda about this. I am happy when people come to me. I’m not sad when people don’t come to me. Fortunately that has not happened so far but I do not keep any agenda, nor do I keep people bound to me. I never give fear to people, fear is opposite of liberation. So what I will do in the future, how long I will do in the future, I do not have a direct answer. I can only say – as long as it takes, and as long as the tradition of liberation wants  me  to speak, I will speak. A lot of masters have spoken in the past and a lot of people will speak in the future, while I am alive in the body I will speak. If I have spoken well, probably my teaching will travel beyond time. I don’t know whether it will travel beyond time, nor am I worried about that. Today I am talking and that’s about it, that’s all I can guarantee. Tomorrow what will happen, it’s up to the tradition. If tradition loves what I am doing it’ll keep it alive, if the tradition finds a better master or a better exponent of the tradition it’ll change me. So there is no big deal about it, it has no agenda, no expectation, no worries. We perform it to the best ability today – right now, tomorrow we don’t know. So we will do what we have to do today. It is not pertaining to what others think. Others can think anything they like, as long as our inner space is pure, whatever others think has no value because it is in their mind. Like if somebody hates somebody, the person who hates the other is more contaminated than the one who receives it. I do not abide anything apart from love. When people love me, I respond positively, if somebody hates me, I ignore them. What can I do? Because I don’t expect anybody to hate me and I don’t do anything particular for people to dislike me, but if somebody decides, or is prejudiced about me, I can’t help it. I don’t look at people, I look at what I can give at this point in time and every point in time, that’s all I can do. That’s all that I look at. There is no agenda, nor have I any kind of plan for the future. As the river flows I am flowing, I am the river and I am the flow.

 Personal Connectivity

Q: Is it possible to acquire teaching through your books and blogs? Is it possible to meditate in front of your photograph without previous initiation?

A: It is possible to get what I am speaking through publications, through blogs, through meditations and if you connect to the picture, the image also, it is possible. But having connected to me personally also helps because that’s where you’re connected to an energy directly. If you resonate with the energy, which is represented by me, you may want to continue connection – but otherwise numerous masters have spoken the same thing over time. Books are available methods are available, teachings are available but how much of those can you actually transform into your life? This is the question. Unless teaching is converted into wisdom and you’re experiencing that in life, the teaching remains in the book. You may have understood the point but if it is not getting reflected in your life it’s not yours. A teaching is a teaching, and every teaching is good and everything has relevance but if you’re not able to transform that into your daily life, you must work harder, do something different, do something else and insure that even if the quantity is small, that limited quantity enters your system, transforms you and is reflected in the society. So goodness, kindness, compassion, the major things the masters have been talking about, must become you, otherwise they’re only in the books. We can see so many quotes from so many masters getting viral through Facebook and other social media. How many of them are read, how many of them are understood? How many of them are digested? These are all entertaining the mind thing. Mind is entertained by this information and sometimes the mind understands this information. It stays in the mind, it doesn’t stay with the life unless something happens in life, which is transformational and unless there is a visible transformation which the society can understand, nothing has happened in life. All these books, the series, the teachings, everything is wasted if it is not transforming you. I would always say: if you are walking the path of spirituality look for transformation, not for activity. Activity will come and go, but transformation makes you and takes you further.

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I like to believe that I belong to the world. Even though I have been married to a person who’s Serbian, I do not think I am of one place. Because boundaries don’t suit me, I am beyond the frame.

Serbian Son-in-Law

Q: You have been a Serbian son-in-law for seven years already. What do you find the strangest and most beautiful in Serbia? Do you know any Serbian words?

A: Well, I like to believe that I belong to the world. Even though I have been married to a person who’s Serbian, I do not think I am of one place. Because boundaries don’t suit me, I am beyond the frame. I know a few Serbian words and I love the people because actually when I come to Serbia I feel like coming home, I like the people. There’s a lot of similarity between the culture, where the Serbian open-mindedness attracts me a lot. A lot of people are very open-minded, open to information, there are a lot of serious practitioners and so there are so many things which I like in Serbia as well as in Macedonia and other places. I have not seen people, especially those who are connected to me, seriously for all these years. I mean the continuity is very important. There are people who have come and gone due to various reasons and those who have stayed due to various reasons. Having said all that, when I see the continuity factor I also see the seriousness, I also see that they are determined. All those things are very attractive to me. As for Serbian words, I know some of the words. I don’t think I can actually communicate in Serbian. My daughter speaks it very well and I feel that that’s not important. I think people see my heart and my communication with the heart, or through the heart is really reaching people. A lot of people respond from their heart and it reaches me, so I like to believe that it’s more than a son-in-law. I think I am a son of Serbia in that mode. Because it is as much as my country as any other country is. When I go to a place I don’t feel like an alien anywhere. I have travelled quite a bit and I travel quite a bit and every place I go I feel I belong there because of the people there. It’s all because of the people. Any country is a country because of how we connect to the country, culture and people. One reason I find Serbia very natural is because my wife is Serbian, my daughter lives in Serbia. More than that because of the love I get from the multitude of people, I feel very connected. Also, there are no strangers. There are a few people that I have not met yet, but I don’t feel strangeness in any place that way, including Serbia. Overall, I belong to the place, so it’s difficult to say. I don’t like to be categorised as something because that’s very limiting for me. It’s like saying that you are the body. What about your consciousness, which is all around? Something limiting doesn’t suit me, I don’t like to be inside frames because frames are supposed to be broken. Then you become frameless, then you are everything.  In the places I visit I see myself reflected through a lot of people. They’re all me and I love Serbia for that matter, I see a lot of myself in a lot of people. They love me like they love their closest relative, you know? There’s no barrier, there’s no boundary, that love is spontaneous and it’s a great feeling. So I really love the country, love the people.

Q: What is your view of love in marriage? Do you have any advice for those who are not happy with their marriage?

A: Love and marriage are both binding and both liberating. We’re talking about love as love between a man and a woman, love affair, or things like that. First, it is initial attraction, physical attraction, then it is emotional attraction. Then the moment intellect comes in, alienation starts and sometimes it happens that we will wonder why we are even together at all because the reasons for starting a relationships may not last for long until, or unless, a relationship is of a higher nature where both can walk together for a higher purpose. Otherwise it doesn’t not stay. If a marriage is out of compulsion, out of reason, it won’t last. I would say marriage which is the union of two people for a much higher purpose will always last. So the reason for marriage should be a higher purpose and the match should be frequency, because each one likes the frequency of the other – you feel nice in the other person’s connection or presence. That way it’s good. I have nothing against love or marriage, in fact I do not endorse love or marriage just as a norm. I like to say that you can fall in love with anybody, you can be with anybody, you can be anybody, this is all fine if it suits you. We are nobody to say something is right and something is wrong in that context, if you are not karmically bound to meet another person you won’t even meet them. What is the flavour of your relationship? It depends on what you wanted out of all this. It’s not something which other people can decide, likewise marriage. Marriage is a kind of combination, which is a connectivity or a route from the past, so marriage is to be respected as a bonding for a purpose. That’s what I feel otherwise you get married and then you don’t know what you’re doing and a lot of people are emotionally divorced. While in marriage, after a couple of years, you don’t feel a connection and then you want to stay away from the other person. I would say that this is all torture but if there’s a deep connectivity, you love the other and there are big things to do in life, it’s a good idea. You can have a trusted partner and you can walk together otherwise it’s a burden. So this is an individualistic thing, I normally don’t give my opinion on love, marriage, or divorce. This is not something which I, as an outsider, should decide. These are individualistic things, partners can decide whether to be in a relationship, inside a marriage, or divorced. What have we got to do with it? I think we should celebrate divorce more than we celebrate marriage so that we understand this thing in a better perspective.

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Root yourself in love and make sure no negative emotion enters you.

Do Good!

Q: Do you have any practical advice to share with the readers of ONA (English = SHE) magazine?

A: Be good, do good. This is exactly what I would like to recommend to people more than spiritual practices. Being good and doing good cleanses you so much that it automatically leads you to a spiritual background, backbone. When I say be good that means be always kind, be always compassionate. Root yourself in love and make sure no negative emotion enters you like hatred, jealousy, anger, especially ego, all those kind of things. It should not enter you, let it be outside of you. That is being good, then doing good is the expression of it on a consistent basis. I think this is exactly what the world needs today. Be good, do good and the goodness factor should tell who you are, your highest statement in this life is your own life, how you live your life. If you’re showing vulnerability, you’re showing helplessness, you are showing ingratitude, or insecurity in this world the world will give it back to you the same way. So show greatness, kindness and inner richness by being good and doing good, that’ll come back to you and you will be respected and honoured by the society, by the world. This is my message for this group who are reading it and I thank you for this interview, I really appreciate you asking me these questions and I wish everybody who’s reading this: have a very beautiful and peaceful existence. Thank you, vidimo se! (Serbian= see you!)

Transcribed by Lana Simic

Those Who Love Me, Have Me – part 1

An Interview with Mohanji for Serbian Magazine ONA – part 1

(November 2017)
You can read it in Serbian here.

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Each path which puts fear in you is negative nature. Each path which liberates you from fear is positive nature. This is a clear sign which you can follow.

Q: What was the key situation that made you realize you’re going to become a spiritual master? Who is a person you consider a spiritual teacher?

A: My basic path or the path which I am following is called Datta tradition. So, the Guru is Lord Dattatreya and we live as per his teachings.


The Guru led by Dattatreya has empowered lots of people and one of the major paths which Guru Dattatreya has created is the Nath tradition. Nath tradition has a structure. It’s derived out of the nature of Shiva, the stature of Shiva. The stature of Shiva in one word is TOTAL LIBERATION, a liberated existence. So, Nath tradition is rooted in liberated existence. This path happened to me. I used to visit Himalayas, I used to meet people, saints, people of knowledge… and the path came to me. I can’t say one person was my inspiration at that time. That was from 2000 onwards I have been visiting Himalayas. So, the first and foremost change or the shift or the question that happened to me, when my daughter Ammu passed away, was that I started asking the question “Why not me, why she? Why did she go before me?” She was only four and a half years old. I was thinking why this happened to her and that question developed into a kind of quest. The question became a quest. And that took me to Himalayas to find the answers. Later on, I realized the answers are sitting within me. That was also spontaneous awareness.

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At that time I didn’t have a proper master to guide me. But later on when I was already known in the world as Mohanji, when I started talking, or started doing programs in the world, people started coming to me, that’s the time when I happened to meet Vittal Babaji. Vittal Babaji or Vittalananda Saraswati Maharaj was the Pontiff of Sripada Srivallabha Samsthanam at that time. This was in 2012. I met him first in December 19th, 2012. I did not know about him at that time, but when he met me at the first glance itself, he kind of exclaimed, he said, “Ah, precious diamond, come and sit next to me.” That was the beginning of a beautiful relationship until he left his body in July 2014. We had a relationship which lasted for almost two years or so but I did not meet him many times because I did not visit the Sri Vallabhapuram many times during that time. However, each time when we met the intensity was strong. So, I would consider him as a father figure in this tradition. (Watch Tribute to Vittal Babaji)
Sripada Srivallabha is the first avatar of Lord Dattatreya, first incarnation. He used to live in Sri Vallabhapuram, Kuruvapuram, that area. So, that is reassurance or conformation of my tradition.

Then I met various saints and various people who kind of guided me or influenced on me. This was all later but in the beginning there was no particular master who initiated me into tradition. It also came to me that in Nath tradition the initiation is your decision to follow the path of LIBERATION, there is no other initiation. When I say LIBERATION it is a detachment during existence. That means you have everything but you are not bound by anything, nothing binds you. That is detachment in existence and the detachment while exiting, i.e. leaving, that means you have less baggage to carry. Baggage is desires. Desires create new lives. You have fewer desires to carry to another life. If you are exhausting all that you came for in this life and you do not carry anything forward for the next life, you are in the path of liberation. That is what we talk about. This is the stature of Shiva. Shiva represents a liberated existence. Based on Shiva’s stature, or Shiva’s method or Shiva’s constitution Lord Dattatreya created Nath tradition. And there are various famous Nath masters which we already know like Machindranath,  Gorakhnath, Kanifnath… quite a lot of Nath gurus. So, we are aware of all these masters with extraordinary powers, with great detachment… and that’s our tradition, that’s the tradition which I follow. I do not explicitly tell about tradition because it doesn’t need a lot of explanation, because people who have eyes to see will see and follow the tradition by themselves, you don’t have to explain quite a bit. If you are leading a liberated existence your life is your highest message, and that message travels, it shows. The way you live, it shows. So, the people who have eyes to see and are resonating with your lifestyle will come. And that’s how it’s spread. I did not make any conscious decision to become something. I’ve just lived it. It became a message, a method. And that led to what it is today. All the places where people connected to me, they continue to connect to me and they come to me. Some people come in and then feel that they need more activity or that they do not resonate well with the path of Nath, they leave. So, it is up to the people to stay or to leave. We do not bind anybody because if you bind somebody, you are also bound. This is against the tradition of liberation.

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If you are exhausting all that you came for in this life and you do not carry anything forward for the next life, you are in the path of liberation. This is the stature of Shiva.

I want to be alone

Q: Were there any signs during your childhood that Shiva was going to choose as one of many?
I do not know whether anybody chose me to be in this path. I do not want to make any hype about my childhood. Only one thing I remember, when I was in the first class, fifth or sixth year (I do not remember), when teacher asked me to write: “What would you like to be when you grow up?” I wrote: “I would like to be alone.” I do not have any conscious thought about that answer, it spontaneously happened to me. So, probably it’s a response from the subconscious. It actually surprised the teacher and he asked me: “Why did you write like this?” So, I said: “I don’t know. I mean, this is what suits me.” Everybody writes: a doctor, an engineer, a scientist, a pilot… quite lot of stuff, but I wrote, “I would like to be alone.” This was probably a sign of craving for liberation at that time but I do not want to hype this. I would like to tell honestly that I did not have any particular reason for writing like this. Probably it happened spontaneously from the subconscious.

I do not want to make any claims that Shiva chose me personally etc., because then it would all sound like propaganda. We do not want to make any propaganda. I am what I am, and if people accept me as I am, then we have something to do in the world. Otherwise, I am what I am, as any other people, any of this 7.5 billion people. If people accept me and they are benefited by my presence, it makes me happy. My relevance is what I can contribute to this world. That’s only relevance. So, I hope that I am able to do that. I do not like to or want to make any claims of any divine order interfering in my life, etc.  If people see a divine order at this point in time of my life or if they see the hand of God in this point of life, I think this is the perception of the individual who’s watching, I feel so. I do not personally have any kind of divine communion which is telling me do this today, do this tomorrow, or those kinds of things. I think I’m being carried by the waves of the water, of the river. I flow.

My only feeling or what I normally do is that I make myself available. Making yourself available is the highest gift, a highest order of practice you can ever produce in a life time. Making yourself available for the people, for the society, for yourself, for the gurus, for the tradition, that’s all you can do. The rest is all done by or carried out by the tradition, tradition of liberation. So, your presence is your highest practice. Presence itself is the highest practice. There cannot be any other practice than presence. This is something which is very important to understand. It’s not that a divine being comes and chooses you, and then you transform and then you perform a certain deed, etc. So many miracles are happening, and that is also because we are allowing miracles to take place by not putting your mind in between. When you question everything and when you are analyzing everything, we lose subtleties also.

So, I don’t analyze many things, I accept. I accept myself as I am with all my weaknesses and strengths. I accept other people as they are with all their weaknesses and strengths. And I see myself in everybody, so we are the same with all weaknesses and strengths. This is possibly why people get connected to me. I don’t claim to be a perfect individual. I have a lot of weaknesses. Nobody is a perfect individual. There is no point in judging anybody, no point in criticizing anybody, no point in gossiping. Your inner space is kept clean. Divinity dwells in the inner space. Divinity will be there because the space is available. That is the highest practice you can ever do.

All People Are the Same

Q: What is your motivation to help people without asking anything in return?

A: My motivation is the purpose. You know, the motivation of Jesus to face the fire of wrath of the established priests of his time was the purpose that he was standing for. He believed in it. He believed in Himself. He believed in the purpose. That belief itself is the motivational factor in anybody’s life, not only mine. A person who believes in helping people will find strength within themselves. They don’t anybody to give them strength. A person who has decided that he’ll dedicate his life for the world is empowered by himself from within. So, my motivation is from within. I do not look at anybody to motivate me, nor I get affected by criticism. Of course you feel sad when close people stab you from behind but again I always feel, “Ok, this is prerogative. They want to have an experience of stabbing me from behind, let them have it.” It doesn’t affect me so much. I mean it would affect me temporarily but not enough or it would not affect me so much that I stop working.

I look at the whole world as my arena, all people are the same. All being are the same. All species are the same. Everybody wants peace of mind, everybody wants to be happy. Every being in this world wants to be happy. So, as long as my purpose is clear I will function and there is no age restriction or a barrier, or a time barrier, or age barrier, or a situation barrier, or a concept barrier in this.

The conviction is that I will do things as long as I have breath for the world, for the benefit of the beings outside. How much will they be benefited I don’t know and I do not have to know. What I am delivering to the world as long as my inner purity intact it has to be pure stuff. If I am pure inside, I can only give purity. My practice and sadhana is to maintain that purity inside. So, I become like a spotless mirror. You know, the spotlessness, that itself is enough for the rest of the things.

So, the source of inspiration or motivation is inside me, and I maintain that in a particular way through inner practice of cleansing, like you wipe the floor of your house, the living room and you dust it away, you do vacuum cleaning… Like that, I leave all my stuff away as it happens. I do not carry burden of the past, nor have I anxiety of the future, I do not keep great agendas for myself. If I said I have a plan, I would like to include all the people who are following me in the plan, not that I’m making something for myself. I do not ask for a better food for me, or better clothing, better places for sleeping. This is not important. I must have a place where it’s peaceful and food which is non-violent, and the people who are coming to me should be served as I am served. So, I look at the whole structure of life as something which is universal for everybody. Whenever I’m making any plans, I always think, “What will my people do?” “My people” are the people who are connected to me with love. Those who connect to me with a lot of love and a lot of attachment to me, I take care of them. I have to look after them. So, it’s like a grand fatherhood or I can say friendship. See, God is considered not only as God, God has various aspects. Guru has various aspects, masters have various aspects. People connect to a master, God or a person of spiritual background, or a person of philanthropic background. A lot of people connect to me in various ways: as a father, a mother, a friend, sometimes even a lover… in various levels, it depends on the people and how they look at it.

If you are leading something, you have to consider everybody as a part of your family. I always tell people, “Your real relatives are who are with you at every point in time. They may change, don’t cry.” You know, it’s not where you started from. You may have started from a few people, but then you eventually gathered a lot more people. They are all your relatives. You have to consider them as your relatives. The equation of relationships might be different but you can’t deny anybody. You have to consider everybody. There will be different flavours, there will be different styles, there will be different expectations, but still they are all your relatives. At every point in time who’s with you, you have to look at them as your relatives. Those that are blood relations and other things are all secondary that way. So, this is my motivation. When I take care of a lot of people, I am responsible, I do what I can. This is exactly what motivates me and I do not judge anybody, I do not like to judge anybody. Everybody has their weaknesses and strengths, so do I, I also have the same. I look at everybody with all these things, so let us live peaceful life together and if it’s spread in the world, in the same manner, then we have a great world, the world full of peace and happiness. Spirituality is spontaneous then. This is my motivation.

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My practice and sadhana is to maintain that purity inside. So, I become like a spotless mirror.

I am a Mirror

Q: For which people in the world you are always available? Do you sometimes sneak out of ‘Mohanji’ organization to spend some time for yourself and those people?

A: I like to be alone, this is my nature because I am naturally introverted but I do not sneak out of anything because for me purpose is important, the activities are important, and I do not do anything for myself that way. It would be a lie if I said that I do not do anything, of course, I eat food, I sleep, I do so many things for myself J but, that’s not exactly like craving, I can even avoid food or avoid sleep or do so many things for the sake of other people. I am available for everybody. Technically speaking, I never deny any people but sometimes it becomes a bit too difficult because of time, space, location, climate, various factors which are not the same because I travel quite a bit, I am in different places, different times, different time zones. So, sometimes it’s difficult to maintain all these contacts and I am not so good at communication by email or I don’t really spend a lot of time talking through Facebook. So, that way, I probably am detaching a little bit from a common world.

But, as a matter of principle, I never make myself unavailable, I don’t do that. I am always available. Then it is not easy to give your phone number to the whole world and say, “Ok, you can call me at any time.” Then, I’ll only be sitting and attending calls. But, I do not have preferences this way. All those people who love me have me. This is the bottom line. It doesn’t matter the gender, the time, space, any place. When people love me, I love back. I’m like a mirror, what is given to me I spontaneously respond without thinking. There is no mind in it. There is no mind factor. Everybody who is connected to me, they are my relatives and I am available for all of them in whichever capacity it’s possible. Sometimes it’s difficult to be everything physically because physical body has limitations but, energetically I make sure I deliver in every capacity possible. So, I am available to everybody, I do not discriminate. I do not even discriminate between my followers and another guru’s followers, I don’t do that. I look at everybody as human beings. They are all existing in my time, as well and those who come to me, I feel they are sent to me by the tradition. I respect them. The highest you can give or at least the least you can give is respect. I do that.

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Making yourself available is the highest gift, the highest spiritual practice you can achieve.


Q: If you would have to choose just one spiritual phrase just to share with people who still haven’t found the way to You, which one would it be?

A: I would say one phrase which we all need to understand and follow is LIBERATION. You are by birth liberated, at death you are liberated. In between while we are having a thing called life or existence, we must always remember, “We are born alone and we will die alone.” So, be kindness, be compassion, be love and express liberation during existence. When I say “express liberation during your existence”, it only means , you can have anything in the world which is given to you without guilt, and also you can experience them without guilt. At the same time, remembering that they are temporary, nothing belongs to you forever. Whatever is given to you is given by destiny and destiny will take it away. Whatever time creates, time will erase. So, if you have clear awareness about the way the time operates, time even erases us at certain point in time. Whatever you see outside and inside, everything changes and keeps changing. This should be clearly understood and stick and stay with the understanding of liberation. When I say liberation, again I am telling you, be aware that everything is temporary: all your relationships, all your materials, all your wishes, all your desires… everything is temporary. If you are clear and you are aware of it, you will be feeling peaceful every moment. Otherwise, you will be controlled by the desires, controlled by various situations around you and then you will feel stuck. This is opposite of liberation.

So, if I chose one world, I would say LIBERATION. Contemplate on liberation, stay with liberation, understand liberation, occupy your mind with liberation and see what happens in life. You will have a beautiful life.      

Transcribed by Stasa Misic  

Stay Steadfast on the Path – Satsang with Mohanji in Novi Sad, Serbia – part II

Satsang in Novi Sad, Serbia on 12th November 2017, part 2

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Be more connected to positive and express positivity, so that society will be better, and please understand, your enlightenment and your elevation is good for the society more than you. Of course you are happy, but society is much more happy when there are a lot of enlightened people.

Q: Could you please explain the changes on earth in December 2017 which started in 2012?
M: If you ask a specific question, I think you know the answer. Period from 2012-2022 is a phase, a shift. I think most of you have already experienced it. The last five years have not be easy. What was happening was, various planets were opposing. I’m not an astrologer, I’m telling you this from the practical point of view. How would you feel if you walked in the river where water is flowing against you? You’re walking, but you aren’t moving. That was happening last five years and a little bit more, approximately six years. There was a huge planetary shift on October 26th in the positive. When I say positive or negative, it’s a relative term. I would say relatively positive or relatively negative. When I say positive, life is flowing. When I say negative, life is not flowing. So people have said two things, that a lot of positive movements will happen from December. What you will feel is like free breathing, things are better. When your life is moving forward from December onwards, you will feel that efforts are lesser. This is one side.

But technically speaking, from 2012-2022, there can be a lot of people recognising true spirituality from ritualistic spirituality or spiritual pursuit to true spirituality. This transition is possible. The time helps this transition. Some people have predicted natural calamities, earthquakes and those kind of things until 2022, which will be inconvenient for various people in various nations plus some people have predicted there must be some wars because then only recycling will be complete, but I opt for optimism. I don’t like to think in terms of negative and I don’t like fear. Fear does not exist in my dictionary. As I said earlier, true spirituality will be more visible and accessible.

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Invest only in positivity. You will be pure. Make sure that nobody can tilt you from the path. 

Faith vs. doubts

What is true spirituality?

Combining Dharma, Artha, Kama, Moksha. The purushartha becomes complete. So people will be more connected to positive and express positivity, so that society will be better. Please understand that your enlightenment and your elevation is good for the society more than you. Of course you are happy, but society is much more happy when there are a lot of enlightened people.

When there’s positive, there’s equal negative in the world. It’s not possible to have only positive. So how do we counter the negative? Allow the negative to be negative, you increase your positive. Think positive, talk positive, act positive – three levels of creation which are thought, word and action. The negative exists, you cannot deny it. It will be there. But if you fight the negative with the negative, what will happen? Your hands will become dirty. If you fight the negative with more positive, what will happen? You will remain pure. You will remain pure and it’s your birthright. It’s your right to be pure. It’s your right to be powerful. So it’s important to know that we are only investing in positivity. Invest only in positivity. It’s not worth spending time on negative. Imagine you are walking the  path of true spirituality which is becoming you 100%. How can negativity interfere in this? It’s your journey, your walk. Anybody?

Audience: It can’t.

M: Ideally, it shouldn’t. But what negativity does, you walk your path, no problem, but it puts a doubt in your mind. One drop of poison in the food. Doubt is one drop of poison in the food. What happens? You cannot eat the food any more. What is this doubt? “Are you sure you are progressing? Is this the right path? Is this the right guru? Is it the right time?“ Thoughts like this come and block your progress. “I am doing a lot of practices and nothing is happening.“ Then, “Thank you very much,“ leaving and you become negative. One drop of poison, doubt can make you negative. This is important to know. So, in the next months, time ahead, make sure that nobody can tilt you from the path. This is your individual journey. You are walking alone. You can’t compare yourself or your progress with anybody. You have to walk alone. But faith helps you. What destroys faith? Doubt. Doubt destroys faith. You must have a walking stick when you are going trekking and that stick is called faith. What is the fundamental faith? In yourself. You must have faith in yourself otherwise you can’t move. Then you should have faith in the path. Then you should have faith in the destination. You cannot have three or four destinations, then the journey would be confusing. One destination and that destination is called LIBERATION.

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Use this time a) to establish acceptance, b) keep walking, c) no confusion, no doubts, no fears, nothing, have confidence and faith. I will reach.

Until you feel me and my father are one, keep walking. Until you experience unity in consciousness with everything around you and everything beyond you, keep walking. It’s important to remember. So from December onwards you will see this happening. Use this time a) to establish acceptance, b) keep walking, c) no confusion, no doubts, no fears, nothing, have confidence and faith. I will reach. If you are connected to any spiritual master, even if your master is a donkey, no problem, but connect to something which will give you stability in your walk. And when you keep asking, “Do you think I am progressing?“ where is that question coming from? Mind. Sometimes you feel, “I am very close to enlightenment.“ How can you be close to enlightenment which is already in you? Where is that question coming from? Mind. So understand what the mind is projecting and understand what you are. You are complete by birth. We understood that earlier, right? Always remember who you have been in this life and what you can be. Think about your deep sleep state – “I can be happy without anything. I don’t need anything to be happy.“ This is a big relief, this is a big step towards freedom. So freedom is your birthright and is also your truth. When some people come to me, rarely, not often, they say, I found another guru, can I go? Do you know what I say? Please go, don’t miss this chance. Because where are you going? It’s a mind’s game. With such mindset even if they sat next to me I cannot give them anything. If there’s no receptivity, there’s no giving. When you know it is not guru who is giving you enlightenment, it is already sitting in you, a guru is just showing you the mirror, revealing it to you, that’s what the guru does. He reveals this thing to you because he has already reached there. It is you who is walking, it is not that the guru is walking for you. It’s as if a doctor told you to run every morning for one hour. You hire someone to run one hour daily. Is it good? You can’t run because you are lazy so you hire someone. You tell them,“Doctor told me to run. Please run. I cannot do it.“ (Laughter) It’s like that. Enlightenment cannot be delivered from outside. It is already in you, and what is happening in spiritual pursuit, it gets revealed at its time.

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When there are no thoughts, do you think there is mind? When there is no trash, there is no need for a trash can.

When I say no thought state is a state just before complete awareness. When there are no thoughts, do you think there is mind? When there is no trash, there is no need for a trash can. Please understand because this is your life I’m talking about and spirituality is not complicated, it’s not in what you do but what you are. We think “I’m doing meditation. I’m doing yoga, I’m standing upside down every day.“ It does not guarantee that you will become enlightened. Instead, removing your thoughts can make you enlightened. Some people say, “I have worked very hard, but nothing has come into my life.“ What is the secret of abundance? Inner richness. Most of us keep poverty inside instead of richness. That is exactly what manifests. When I say inner richness, it’s the ability to share what you have. I did not say share money. Whenever we say share something, it’s considered as money. Share what you have. If you have love to share, share love, if you have time to share, share time. If you have knowledge to share, share knowledge. If you have money to share, share money. What you have, share. So, everybody has something to share. Can you imagine, if that happens in Serbia, what will Serbia look like? Just look at the world then, 7 billion people are sharing what they have in abundance, do you think there will be poverty in the world? So goodness factor is a sign of spiritual maturity. If you are matured in spirituality, you own nothing, everything is yours and you are everything – all materials, animate and inanimate.


There’s one more trap in spirituality –  intellect. Everybody talks about ego as the blocking factor, but have you ever thought of intellect as the blocking factor? What happens with the intellect? Craving for more knowledge makes us obese  in the brain. There are a lot of people who know a lot of things, but they don’t translate that into experience. Knowledge sitting in the books remains as a burden. Whatever we consume more than we need leads to obesity. Mostly before attaining enlightenment lots of unlearning has to happen.

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When you are fed up eating excessive knowledge, then you come to me.

A Story – A trap of intellect on a spiritual path

One man came to a master and said, “You know, guru, I have read all the books available about enlightenment, now I need only one drop and I’m enlightened. Someone told me you are a great master and you can add me that drop.“

The master said, “ I’m waiting for the same thing, that drop which will give me the same effect!“

So the person got disappointed thinking, “Stupid guru“ and he left.

Then a disciple who was sitting next to the guru said,“Guru, you could actually help him. You are guiding all of us. Why are you not helping this man?“

Then guru said,“He is a confused person. He has to spend years to unlearn and empty his intellect. “

It’s like that. We eat a lot of food, at an amazing buffet we want to eat everything, then we think, my stomach is very, very heavy, what will I do now?

So we have been eating emotionally. We have been acquiring knowledge emotionally. What is happening at the end of the day is you have too much to handle. There is much more than you need. So when they see someone like this, with crammed up knowledge, true masters leave them alone, to eat more. When you are fed up eating, then you come to me.

A great master has said, “A man who is proud of his intellect is like a prisoner who’s proud of his prison cell.“

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Accept yourself as you are and accept life life as it is. Then spending time with yourself is important.

So there are a lot of traps. I’m telling this so that you become aware. We will be too eager to cram up things thinking that this will help us. But spend time with yourself. Reduce your TPS (thoughts per second). That will take you faster to realisation than your acquired knowledge, what you eat from the outside. Spending time with yourself is important. There are a lot of traps, ego, intellect, emotion, quite a lot of things, so empty, free, remove a lot of things and empty the space. When your space is all empty, enlightenment materialises from inside because you are already that. So if you are sincere in your desire for enlightenment, if you’re sincere in the path of liberation, it’s a good time.

Once again, acceptance. You must accept yourself, no choice. Don’t worry about other people, it’s not important, but if you don’t accept yourself, nobody can accept you, it’s going to be the same, never-ending cycle of emotions. And what is the advantage of being with a guru? He kicks your butt (laughter).

Audience: (Laughter)

M: Sincere masters are experts in kicking butts (smile) until you get fed up and run away or stay. Because we are too comfort zone oriented. We do a practice if our mind allows. Mind wants comfort zones, but in spirituality, you sometimes have to break comfort zones. We love them so that we can sleep.

Q: Why do many people who embark on the path of spirituality want to renounce physical or sexual experiences? Why do they consider that as a nuisance or an obstacle in reaching their spiritual blossoming?

M: I think the answer is already in the question. Which part is worried about sex? This problem is because, where should sex stay? I believe it should stay with the body. Why is it staying with the mind? That is the problem. I believe sexuality is something which is connected to the body because it’s connected to the species. For having the continuity of species, you must have sexuality. Not just human beings. Every being on earth enters into this activity at some point in their life. Why? Because the species must continue. That is why the creator has created this kind of effect. But human beings keep things in the mind, then there is a whole lot of problems. If you keep sexuality to your body, then there is no guilt or other things connected to the mind. This is why we are suffering. I believe that if we keep sexuality with the body, body needs sexuality, no problem, but the mind is keeping it and when the mind keeps something it enlarges it. If any event, anything you take in life goes through the mind, it changes its form. Then it’s a big deal. It’s a problem. Then morality and various things come. What happens? You suffer and then guilt happens. When guilt happens, sin happens. So a small thing becomes a huge mountain.

So my take on sexuality is very simple. It’s connected to the body, let it stay with the body. That’s it. Whenever we keep anything in mind for too long, it’s a burden. Whenever we suppress anything at all, it’s a burden. That’s why we see anarchy of morality in this world. Because of suppression. I don’t believe in sexual or any anarchy that way. But the thing is whenever somebody says,“Don’t do this, this is taboo,“ then we want to do it, right? If somebody says, “Don’t smoke,” you will end up smoking. If somebody says, “Don’t eat this food,“ you will probably only have that food. It’s like saying, “Think about anything except black monkey.“ What do you think about? Only about a black monkey! (smile) So human mind is like this. This is the nature of human mind. Do you want to store so many things in the mind? Release all these things. Why do you want to carry this burden?

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There was one man who decided to become a priest. He went to one priest and said,“Please teach me how to do this job. The priest said, “You can’t learn anything, you are so stupid, I can’t teach you.“ And this guy was not leaving the priest. Every day he used to come and say, “I want to learn.“ The priest got fed up with him. He said, “Ok, come tomorrow morning, I’ll teach you.“ And he taught him the method of worship. Finally he said, “When you do this, you should remember the great, bright face of the Lord, not the ass of a dog.“ (laughter)

Audience: (Laughter)

M: The last sentence was that, (laughter) and this man could never do the priest’s job because he always remembered the ass of a dog! This is how mind works. First he said, “Remember the great, bright face of the Lord,“ that is what he couldn’t remember, “not the ass of a dog,“ that is what he remembered.

Devi: Make sure we don’t end the satsang with any ass (laughter)

Audience: (Laughter)

M: This is an example how mind works. Mind likes to capture negativity. So if somebody says,“Hey, sex is very bad,“ we’ll only think about sex. This is how all these things are happening.

Also, don’t eat too many concepts, you won’t digest them. Many people cannot move on the spiritual path because they are following a concept after concept without even biting, chewing. Look at the world, 7.5 billion people, everybody is great. Whose property is morality? Have you ever thought about it? Morality is the property of the middle income group. The rich and the poor have nothing to do with it. The very rich live their life as they want. The very poor also do this. But the middle income group hugs morality and can neither swallow nor spit. I’m not saying that everything is ok, everything in moderation is no problem, but when you are concentrating on your spiritual journey, many other things become insignificant. You wouldn’t care, it doesn’t matter. 

Sometimes people gift very expensive alcohol to people to tell them that they love them. If that alcohol comes to me, it’s completely useless because I don’t drink any alcohol and I have no interest in it. So what happens with this kind of thing? The point I am saying is everything has a relevance in somebody’s life. We have no right to judge that relevance. For some people, this very expensive alcohol would be a great treasure, but for me it’s nothing. That’s a variation, that’s a difference. Relevance is different from person to person. So we should not allow ourselves to judge, this guy is right, that guy is wrong. This is all the problem, it’s all a mind’s game. I would say be natural, if this is good for you, then good for you, that’s it. You don’t have to prove anything. I don’t believe in do’s and dont’s written in stone.

For me a definite NO is violence. I don’t like violence. That’s why I always say ahimsa, non-violence is my religion in thought,word and action. If we don’t entertain violence, we are light and relaxed and we don’t have to really judge or criticise anybody because it’s a burden for us. When you talk bad about other people, it’s heaviness, it’s a burden. I prefer being light. Loving somebody is effortless, hating somebody needs effort. Choose love. Be light. Remain light. Shine bright.

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Choose love. Be light. Remain light. Shine bright.

Transcribed by Biljana Vozarevic