Mohanji Foundation UK team had organised an event “Rejuvenate Yourself!” – A day in the consciousness of Mohanji that included some of the activities that MF UK offers, such as HSTY Yoga, Meditation, Conscious Walk, Spiritual discussion, Conscious Dance and Mai Tri Healing.
Even though Mohanji was physically not present for this event, He indicated His presence with us in the consciousness by sending an audio message, that was played in the start of the programme.
As always, His message was simple with absolute clarity and connecting to ordinary lives that will help every one improve their day-to-day life as well as help progress in spiritual life.
Below is the transcription of His message.
Hope you all enjoy this.
— Mohanji Foundation UK team
Welcome to ‘Rejuvenate yourself!’ programme in London. This is Mohanji.
I wish you a great time there. Lot of love, lot of affection and I wish you great transformation. The benchmark of spiritual growth is transformation. How do you know what is transformation or what is transforming in you? You will know by the things you do not need any more. There are so many things in life, which we consider as very important at various points in time, but they can keep changing. After a while, you realize that many of these things had no value in absolute sense and they drop off. What drops off goes away, they are gone. What doesn’t drop off means that you need it for some more time. Whether it’s a habit, or it could be a notion, a thought or a concept. It could be anything. But as long as it stays with you, within you, you need to do something about it.
So what drops off is a clear sign of deep transformation. A programme like ‘Rejuvenate yourself!’ is not just rejuvenation, it’s actually assimilation as well. That means you try to connect to yourself, you assimilate within yourself, you become yourself. And then you express that oneness, that togetherness, that unit factor, into the world outside. That is exactly your highest expression. When you are a total unit, when your mind, body, intellect, ego and spirit, all comes in one line, and you are aligned within, your expressions become powerful. And that exactly is your highest expression.
Getting together in programmes such as these, all activities of this nature, of what you’re doing now, is to become a full unit, something which is complete. We are walking towards completion, all the time, every day. But when you are fully occupied with yourself, your expressions become powerful. Your life becomes more complete. This is exactly the path. This is exactly what we are aspiring for.
We live in a world of frequencies. You are a frequency, a unique frequency. You are representing a kind of frequency which you came with and you are interacting with numerous other frequencies. How do you know about frequencies? It’s very simple. Some frequencies we like and some frequencies we do not like, it’s as simple as that. It means that with some frequencies we would like to connect – with some people we would like to connect, and with some people we do not want to connect. This shows that our frequency matches with some people and does not match with many. If your frequencies do not match, and you are still with those people, after a while, you will drop off. That’s because you can’t interact for more than a specified amount of time with something which does not suit your frequency.
You can see people coming into your life, dropping off at certain stages, or evolving their relationships with you. All those factors are connected to frequencies. So, how are you able to connect better to different frequencies? This is a skill and for that skill, you need to connect to yourself. You need to accept your frequency. You need to understand, recognize and experience your frequency, and from there you can connect to every frequency. So when you look out, you see your own frequency or you see unique frequencies reflecting their original qualities into this world.
That’s exactly what you’re doing as well. But when you are subdued, when you are not in acceptance with yourself and your frequency or frequencies or the dimensions that you have come with, then it will be difficult for you to interact with this world. That’s when we see introversion, depression and those kinds of things. That’s all due to lack of connection with oneself. If you are walking this path called spiritual evolution, or alignment in a much more practical way, you must connect to yourself, accept your frequencies and also help others to connect to themselves and accept their own frequencies. There are no failures in life and there are no successes in life in absolute sense. Whatever you call success is probably some material gain or some position or power or possession. But how long will it stay?
Ask this question to yourself. Is it worth spoiling a relationship, is it worth detaching from somebody who cared for you, or is it worth being in isolation and not wanting to do anything in the world outside? Ask these questions to yourself. Is it worth it? That’s the right way to start the journey. When you clearly know that it’s not worth to alienate, instead it’s good to love, good to share, good to accept people and accept ourselves, then life becomes more complete each moment. This moment is your existence. This moment is what you have. This moment collected together is what we call life.
I wish you great success. Be happy, experience happiness. Shine like a bright light into this world. Make your life shine like the sun and make your life meaningful to many, many beings around you, so that your life will become well lived.
Wish you success. Wish you happiness. I’m walking with you. And if you deeply connect to me, you will experience me all the time. Love you. Lots of love, hugs and wish you success once again. All the best!
Transcribed & Edited By – Mohanji Testimonials Team
Q: What is faith? How does faith work? How does one build absolute faith?
Mohanji: Faith is an internal thing; all emotions are internal. You cannot explain the taste of an ice-cream through words. You have to experience it. Faith is something which you have to feel inside. When you feel connected to something, say, some object, person, ideology or activity, or you feel connected to yourself very deeply and if you establish in that connection, then what develops is faith. You start trusting it. You start believing in it. You start acting on it. You start trusting it, believing in it, acting on it. That is faith. It can’t be explained in words. Faith is something which you have to experience; the stability which comes out of that connection is what we call faith. That faith will lead to further connections like surrender and other aspects. So faith is something which has to happen from within and the ideal way to develop faith is, through awareness – the awareness of yourself as a complete incarnation. You have come here to EXPERIENCE many things in this world, the “sum total” which we collectively call life, and then we are here to EXPRESS many things in this world, which is what we are or from what we are, in other words, our unique expressions into this world. While all this put together is life, faith is the pillar, the power, the solidity, the confirmation that takes you forward into it with confidence and stability. The level of stability in your life can be equated to the level of faith you have. If you have absolute faith in something, especially yourself, you’ll be very confident – you can face everything in life without any problem. If you do not have faith in yourself, you will be afraid of most things. The other side of faith is FEAR. When you do not have faith, there will be a lot of fear. These fears will bind you. Fears usually suffocate you. Thus the flip side of fear is faith. Faith is something which you feel from within and you feel good about it.
Q: When I watch Your videos, I feel that You are conversing with me and can listen to and respond to my thoughts. Why is this?
Mohanji: That’s because when your question is genuine, when you really need an answer, nature responds in some way. In this case it could be through Mohanji, but it is the answer that is of importance to you. . Since you had a burning question, you got an answer. We need to stick to the reality that you had a question and nature responded to it. Each question gets its response in one way or another. That’s why the entire nature is our guru. Every aspect of life is guru. Everything gives you a lesson. When you connect to a human being like me, you are getting answers and that’s basically as a part of the nature, I am part of the nature, a part of your nature also, a part of your world. So this is the way the nature responds to you. If you are really in need of an answer, nature gives it to you.
Q: Is it ethical to sterilise pets and strays, does it have any karmic implication?
Mohanji: It is not ethical because it is against nature. However, human beings have created a world which is unnatural, where animals and birds are domesticated or otherwise controlled by human beings. In fact, most aspects of the world are controlled by human beings. So in this human controlled existence it’s difficult to live a natural life. Even we are not natural when we live in the houses with air conditioners and so many such facilities. Most of our faculties are stunted or restricted. The same thing is happening with beings which are connected to us. Just as we have our unnatural existence, by creating an unnatural environment, so too we are forced to include all beings which are connected to us in the same way. In that context sterilising pets is the only way. We can’t help it because if the reproduction happens in an alarming way, then we will have to destroy the beings, and this is happening in many places. Most of the shelters can’t keep the animals and they kill them, which is even more serious. Every being has right to live on this Earth like we do. It is very unnatural to kill something just because we don’t have space. We have occupied all the available space. We have defined and demarcated the spaces as per human laws, for human needs. And animals are the victims . Not just animals, human beings are also victims of our occupation. This is the contradiction that we are living in today. In that context it is better to have birth control rather than killing them after they are born. Because killing is extreme violence. It creates a different energy field. It releases a different frequency, which I do not think is the right frequency for the Earth, because that frequency will induce even more such action. Each frequency provokes a certain effect in everything. So when it is destruction, death or murder, it creates that type of effect in the society and in the psyche of people. This is very important to understand and in that context it is better to control the birth of pets or strays.
Fear of emptiness
Q: How do I overcome the fear of emptiness overcoming me in meditation? Or should I ignore this and just continue meditating?
Mohanji: The emptiness is a state which is just before the fullness. It’s like a lounge at the airport, where you sit and wait before you catch the flight. After a while thoughts start reducing, and decrease to a level where they do not have any source to manifest, which means that the whole substratum becomes empty and thoughts are not being produced; that emptiness stays and then it converts into fullness. So emptiness is a state and it’s a good state to enjoy because you have no thoughts, no worries, no anxieties, no fears. The past memories of fears, the samskaras which you have already carried, which you are used to, the habitual feelings, these provoke this fear that emptiness is bad. Because you are used to having thoughts. You are not used to having no thoughts. This emptiness which is derived from the state of “nothing to produce thoughts”, where there are no impressions or they are not powerful enough to manifest as thoughts, that state is a turning point in our life. In that state where there is no thought (nirvichara), there is transformation. It means that it is a threshold that you cross over and then, you attain fullness. Emptiness is a state which is always temporary. Enjoy that state, indulge in that state and stay empty longer. Then the universe fills you up with completion.
Elevation of a soul
Q: It takes 5000 births to become human human, then it is predetermined and takes a long time. Why should I do any spiritual practice?
Mohanji: This is exactly why you should do spiritual practice because it is not accurately defined as 5000 births. It is an approximate figure. If you practise and empty yourself more and more, the number of your births becomes smaller and smaller because the more thoughts there are, the more desires there are and the bigger effect there is, such as memories, corresponding further desires… So it’s a cycle. If you practise and try to empty yourself, become nothing inside, without compulsive desires inside, then the number of your births becomes smaller.
If you understood that it took a long time to reach this level of awareness, then it is your duty to reduce it further. Now you have reached here. You have taken so many births, we don’t know how many. 5000 is an approximate figure. If you had realised that this is the place you have reached, now you work on yourself. Just work on being yourself, accepting yourself, emptying yourself so that no further births take place. That’s how you can diminish the number of your future births further and that is exactly why you should be practising more, once you have arrived at this awareness, this understanding.
Express what you are
Q: People are acting their karmic roles. Why do we try to help them become something else? For example, if someone is full of anger due to a past life, why do we try to make them lose that anger?
Mohanji: Answer to this is very simple. We help because that is the way we are. How do we express our compassion? Suppose you have a lot of love and compassion in your heart, but you think to yourself, “Why should I get involved?”, then your compassion becomes an unreal thing. It remains just a theory. How do you express your compassion, your kindness, your love? Just as somebody has anger in them, you have compassion in you. So you express your compassion which will overcome the anger; that becomes you. We are all beings of expression, constantly expressing. And we express what we are. Somebody is angry, somebody is upset, somebody is revengeful, somebody is jealous, but we should not be affected by any of these. We always remain ourselves, stable, very loving and we always express that unconditional love towards nature. That shows that you are existing on this Earth; you are a powerful incarnation and you have come here to express what you have brought or what you are. That expression demands this incarnation. What you are, demands that expression. That is why you need to express.
If you keep quiet, then you will not be able to even feel what you are. Just like Para Brahma without any creation exists as it is; when creation happened, it realised there are a lot of dimensions to it. We have thousands, millions, trillions of dimensions that came into being only when you are away from what you originally are. If you do not express, you become only a theory. That means the incarnation is wasted. One of the basic reasons for our existence in the body is expression, so you must express. That’s the way you are. As you are, you express, that’s important, so you need to express yourself honestly, not in a conditioned way.
Selfishness vs. fulfilment
Q: What is the difference between selfish desires and completion or fulfilment of a desire? When this fulfilling a desire become selfish?
Mohanji: When you think that you are very important, all objects around you are only for your use and when you are concentrating on just your happiness, not worried about people around you or those beyond you, it is selfishness, because you crave more and more only for yourself. We see that in the world. Another word for this is greed. It means that we have accumulated so many things; we are not enjoying them, we are not able to enjoy them because we do not know why we accumulate, it’s habitual.
Selfishness is a state where you are only asking for yourself, or you are too preoccupied with yourself in a selfish way. “Selfish” expressions could be, “only I need to have it” or “I should have it, it does not matter if somebody else does not have it” or “even if it’s not shared it’s ok”. That is selfishness.
The other side is “I am grateful. I have received a lot of things, or, I have a lot of possessions . Let me share it them with everybody and then let everyone enjoy.” That is the way a human human will respond. Selfishness is connected to more of an animalistic nature. See dogs and cats. They fight with each other, they steal each other’s food, etc. That’s the basic level where they are occupied with the idea that they should have this food and if they don’t get it, it will be a problem. As for us, we have not evolved beyond it either ; in many cases we see that happening: more property, more wealth, more money. Mostly, when we have all these, we express poverty consciousness. We are very poor inside. We express deep poverty at times. We can often see that happening, because we do not share. We are afraid of people. That shows that our entire path and the system does not work well. Therefore it’s important that we share what we have, so that inner richness is not affected. We are always rich. When we share we are rich. If we do not share, we are selfish. The more you hoard and the fewer things you share, the more stagnation there is. It gives you stagnation and the objects stagnate. Then what happens? The next generation or somebody else will take it all away and then it’s squandered. This is how it works. It’s always important that you maintain inner richness as well as outer richness equally, with maturity.
The Power of Devotion
Q: In Hindu dharma it is said that a husband is Parameshwara. Is it true that a woman should consider her husband as Parameshwara?
Mohanji: In dharmic way, if you look at the entire Hindu tradition, every tree, plant, animal, stone… everything is connected to the divine. Rather, we consider all of them as divine sparks. In the ancient system, one who protects you is considered as a deity or a deity incarnation. That is why we see that in the Satyavan- Savitri story Savitri considered Satyavan, her husband, as God or deity. In the case of Atri and Anasuya, Dattatreya’s parents, Anasuya Mata considered Atri as god and she was only serving him, worshipping him. She attained very great powers through that.
There are a few things which have to be considered here in the path of dharma. One of them is concentration. You concentrate on one object. It’s not the personality of a husband or the person we are talking about here. It is a larger aspect, a larger philosophical aspect, where a concentration is directed to one individual. For example in the story of Vithala of Pandarpur, Pundalika and his wife were quietly serving their parents with complete devotion and Lord Krishna came there because of the devotion of the son to his parents. Like that, when the object of worship is constant, transformation happens inside because there is no energy loss. Secondly, when you are concentrating on one object for a period of time, it transforms you into an alignment. It aligns you, i.e. your body, mind, intellect, ego, spirit, everything comes into one alignment, you become one unit. That is one of the main reasons for this theory.
Parameshwara is the Lord. You consider your protector or the head of the household as your Parameshwara, the Supreme Lord, then you connect to him, not necessarily by performing pujas, prayers or chanting. It is not done like that. Rather, you look after household matters with full diligence, complete concentration, a lot of love, and plenty of affection and that transforms you, aligns you and then you become very powerful. Anasuya Mata and Savitri are two examples, but there are numerous examples in the Puranas, where just by concentrating on one object, in this case, the husband, they became more powerful than rishis and munis who were meditating and doing penance for thousands of years; hundreds of years at least! Such women did not do any kind of tapas or penance. They were concentrated on serving their guardian, their husband and they attained all the powers.
First and foremost, Babaji said this very clearly, concentration is very important to develop any kind of spiritual prowess. It is like you expose lens to the sun, the sun’s rays go through the lens and it develops the power, or, it brings forth the fire to burn the grass. Like that, when you are fully concentrating on one thing, you are developing your aspects, such as senses; in other words, your organs of perception , organs of action, mind, body, intellect, ego, everything in one line, you become very powerful. Then you are able to attain, or, you attain a very high spiritual level. This is why these women who were connecting deeply to their husbands became very powerful. It is in this context that the Hindu tradition talks about Pati (husband) as Parameshwara.
Q: Is it ok for seekers to seek blessings, grace, energy, initiation from multiple masters?
Mohanji: What is the use? Multiple masters means mind is wandering. There are no ‘multiple masters’. There is only one master which is inside YOU and that is called your soul. Your soul is already awakened. It’s aware. It’s full. It’s complete. It needs nothing. Then what is coming in the middle is mind matter. Mind is taking you to various forms and says this master, that master, another master, or “he is more powerful than this master”. All this is in the mind. That way, just like I explained earlier, you focus on one object with full concentration – mind, body, intellect, ego – all concentrated. Even if the master is not good, you will still attain great heights. In the story of Dipaka which I’ve explained many times.
Dipaka was very devoted to his Guru and was focused only on serving him. Shiva came to see him. Shiva said, ”I have never seen a disciple like you. Your guru is abusing you. He is throwing you away. He is doing everything possible to hurt you and your sentiments, but you are still serving him. You are an amazing disciple.”
He asked Dipaka, ”What do you need?”
Dipaka answered, ”I don’t need any boon.”
Then Maha Vishnu came to see him. He said the same thing, “I’m really impressed with your service to your guru.” The Guru is not kind to you, yet you are very kind to him. You are serving him. You have no ego. Then He asked, “Can I give you any boon?”
Dipaka said, “If I have one thought of ego, please remove it. I want to serve my Guru better.”
The Guru said, “I am pleased with you. You have become larger than me. You’ve grown higher than me. Because of your loving service to me, you brought Shiva and Vishnu to you! In order to be blessed with their glimpse, many go through years of penance. But because of your dedication, your conviction, and your service to me, they came to you.”
So, this shows that if you are focusing on one object, let it be whoever, and then you are concentrated on that, you are dedicating your life, you are fully concentrated on that only, without any kind of deviations,
Ananyas cintayanto mam
(without any deviations, diversions)
Mam ekam saranam vraja
(if I am the only object of your worship, I release you from the sins, I take care of your karma, Lord Krishna says in “Bhagavad Gita”)
This is exactly the point. If your only object of worship, your only connection is with one master, that master becomes responsible for you. Otherwise no master is responsible for you because you are wandering any way. If you bring the bowl to various houses, everyone will drop one coin, but that coin will not suffice for you to buy a meal. This is how mostly we wander and get nothing. Because we wander all through life, we get exhausted. And there is not even a step of progress in many people’s life because there is nothing steady. Nothing constant. There is no concentration, there is no consistency. These are very important on the spiritual path.
Respecting various masters is good, but, like Yogananda said, “If you consider me as your teacher, I am all teachers. I am all masters. I am all gurus.” If that is not acceptable, there is no point in your sitting here. Because there is nothing I can give you. Mind is everywhere. It’s scattered. If you are not able to anchor yourself in one, then you are like a floating boat. You’ll be floating everywhere. Each way/path will tilt you. Each shore will be your shore, but everything will be just an illusion for you. There will be nothing real. That’s why it is important to stay put, important to anchor in one place. Then even if the wind blows hard , you will still be there. The master takes care of you.
Transcribed by Biljana Vozarevic Proofread by Vidya Rajagopalan
Q: How do we know that emotions we express in this lifetime pertain to this life or a past life?
Mohanji: I don’t think we need to know that, right? Emotions are happening, so they could be acquired emotions from the life, probably acquired during growing up or we could have collected and trapped them from another life. If they are trapped from another life, we call it a pattern because then it keeps repeating like a broken record, i.e. the same thing will come back again and again. If they are collected from here, they exist for some time and then they get dissolved because they don’t have a deeper root. Depending on the deeper root, you understand whether it is from the past or this life. But I believe we should not even look at it because it is a complete waste of time. When you are concentrating on emotions etc. your frequency is of that level. Instead, I would say concentrate on the sunshine. Be brightness. Awakening. That is much better because emotions do not have a permanent existence anyway. Emotions stay for some time and then go away. Neither you are the emotions nor the emotions are you. They only have entertainment value, whether they are good or bad. Therefore I would say that you should not concentrate much on emotions.
How to live a “normal life”
Q: How do we live a normal life without attachments in this turbulent time?
Mohanji: How else can you live? Ask this question. When you say “normal life”, what is the criteria of normal life? We are all living normal lives as we know, as we are, as our frequency permits us. Don’t think that normal life is something else. That’s mind’s separation. What you are experiencing right now is your normal life. Now have that awareness. That’s the only thing we can do. Time, space, situations, experiences are all programmed, prescribed and they’re happening. We cannot change them. I am here in our ashram in Toronto, Canada. If I am not happy to be here and would like to be in Paris, at this time, is it possible? It’s another location, another place and I need another time to reach there. We are all bound by time, space, situations and certain emotions. So accepting them completely without resisting and enjoying them whether they’re good or bad, is our maturity.
Spiritual maturity is in the levels of acceptance. When we are really mature, we will be very accepting. We will accept everybody, everything, as they are all our expressions. There will be nothing like right living and wrong living. What is right and wrong? Everything is experience. When everything is experience, we can’t say that something is right or wrong. I always talk about one thing: ahimsa (non-violence) in thoughts, words, actions. That is because violence creates energy which binds you. When you are violent in thoughts, words and actions, it binds you. Instead, be kind in thoughts, words, actions, it liberates you. That’s being on the path of liberation, which I propagate and for which, it’s a good idea to be kind, compassionate and loving. Do not talk negatively about anybody, including you. Nobody needs to know your weaknesses. Everybody has weaknesses, just as everybody has strengths. I have all the weaknesses and all the strengths of the whole world. I don’t consider myself special in any way. When you put yourself in cages or frames, you have to live it and it’s a big burden. Instead, a liberated existence means total acceptance of the way you are. You may not be perfect in your eyes and in the eyes of others. It doesn’t matter, this is an incarnation, a flavour you have brought forth. This is how it is.
When we accept ourselves totally in this manner, as we are, 80% of the war is won in the path of liberation. We are already treading the path of liberation. Acceptance takes us to liberation, to a liberated existence. Liberated existence has a lot to do with acceptance of yourself (self-acceptance) and the acceptance of the environment. Even if you cannot accept people outside of you, if you accept YOU completely, automatically everyone accepts you as well as you accept everybody. It becomes spontaneous, that’s why. The brightness which we talk about should start from inside and it should reflect outside.
There is nothing called right person, right living, dos and don’ts. When I say “don’ts”, violence is the only thing I talk about. Don’t express violence in thoughts, words, actions. This idea also extends beyond species. Everyone should feel nice and comfortable; we should take care of ALL beings in the same way. Every being has the urge to live. We have no right to capture, conquer, kill or torture. We should never do that.
We need more councellors, more human humans
On another note, I was talking about having more counsellors, i.e. those who counsel, rather than law enforcement groups. What happens is that sometimes a person is hungry and he has no money. He might have stolen some food, but then we brand him as a thief. For life and beyond he has to live the life of a thief. Instead we should understand the problem and help. We could bring him out of the situation by giving him a job or teach him some skill. This will have a REGENERATIVE EFFECT. We are trying to make someone stable in his existence. When instead, we brand people as criminals or thieves, what happens is that firstly, you come into that kind of frequency. Secondly, the other person does not have a chance or a choice. We need more people who can counsel affected individuals out of their aberrations, fears, perversions and so on and then stabilise them at a certain level so that the society is better because of their existence rather than being fearful of them. So many fears can be removed in such individuals by nurturing truth in them. All of us have weaknesses. When we concentrate on weaknesses, they stay. When we concentrate on strengths, they grow. We should concentrate more on growth, stabilisation and strengths. We should then express that in the world. That is why I keep saying at this point in time what we need is more human humans – people who are nurturing, loving, caring, compassionate and kind, who are very conscious about what they do, what they eat, how they interact with the society. This is important today, even more than sitting down and meditating in a corner. Many times the act of meditation itself becomes escapism. Instead, you should be responsible. Responsibility should be reflected in the society as what you are, how you are.
So I believe there is nothing called right living or wrong living. When I say right living, it refers to anything which leads you to liberation further and further while wrong living is anything which binds you further and further. Very simple.
Being in more places at once
Q: How is it possible to be in more places at once?
Mohanji: (Laughs) It’s very simple. Become a unit once. You should align yourself, collect the scattered mind, and put it together. When mind, body, intellect, spirit are in alignment and you exist as a unit, then the expansion happens, because expansion as a state is already there, just as the energy is all over, everywhere. Ether or energy is everywhere. You are scattered, so you are not able to see the energy. I am not saying that you are scattered, people are scattered because mind is scattered. Therefore we are not experiencing THAT energy. Rather, we are experiencing emotions. When you go beyond your emotions, beyond your mind, beyond your intellect and you are aligned perfectly, once you become a complete unit, then expansion is your nature. You automatically start expanding. When your unit energy becomes the universal energy, when the unit becomes the universe, you are everywhere already. When people connect to you intensely, in that place you form or you intensify in that place, automatically. It is not as if that person says to himself, “Now people in India are thinking, so let me go there.” It is not like that because you are already there. You are already everywhere, but when people connect with intensity, that’s the space where the energy conglomerates. The intensity of connection is the factor for intensity of the presence. So when one connects with intensity, full of bhav, full of bhakti, full of devotion, then the form also intensifies. The energy becomes more conglomerated. When it is weak and casual, it becomes that much less conglomerated. Essentially everyone has the potential to become the universe. However, first and foremost, you have to become a unit. First you become you, and then you become the universe. That’s the secret. Very simple. Easy.
Awareness leads to detachment, not vice versa
Q: Do we need to detach from the outside world to become a unit?
Mohanji: Can you? Actually, there is no outside world. Can you detach from anything? Can you detach from food for a day, or water or relationships? You don’t have to detach from anything because the awareness, the state, settles in, when you realise that nothing belongs to you and you belong to nothing. It is all situational. Everything has come together for experience’s sake; various experiences, which could be good or bad. You can’t really detach and you can’t detach consciously with the mind. When we detach what we usually do is, suppress it. When someone says, “I don’t want this,” then that person always thinks about it, but keeps it under wraps. That is even more dangerous because it will come out at some other point in time. So what you need to do is, you need to grow inside even more and the outside spontaneously becomes insignificant. That is the best way. Do not use the mind to detach. Don’t detach from anything. Whatever may come your way, receive it. When you are completely a unit, nothing outside will affect you anyway.
First and foremost, your being a unit is about your growth inside, it is not connected to anything outside. That is why I said God is not outside. When you grow inside and when you are energised inside, the sun rises inside, you become aware that the God factor exists within you. Then, if you look outside, you only see the God factor. There is nothing else. This is exactly how we evolve. It is like an egg. When an egg is broken inside, it becomes a new life. When an egg is broken from outside, it’s death of existence. This is exactly how it works. Always remember this carefully – you can’t detach from anything and you should not. Let everything that destiny has given you, exist. It can be good, bad, nice, not so nice, everything. Let it all exist, while you have nothing to do with anything – that’s your freedom. That is when you are actually experiencing freedom. Otherwise it’s all mind’s play. Mind keeps illusions. It says, “I don’t want to be here, so I’m going away.” This is the dimension of likes and dislikes. “I like, I dislike…” – this is mind. In fact, there’s no like or dislike! You are everything. (Laughs) What can you like? You can’t say, “I don’t like my right hand. I love my left hand” or something along those lines. It doesn’t matter because it’s all part of you. All people, all beings, all places, all situations, are part of you. You are everything. For that realisation to happen you have to exist inside. Otherwise it remains just an imagination where you say, “Oh, I’m everything.” Some people say, “I’ve realised God.” When you have realised God, you have nothing to say, because you see God everywhere! When you say, “Am I enlightened?” what is the big deal? It should reflect as kindness, compassion, love, intensity of activity and clarity of purpose. Only then do you know that you are fully settled. Otherwise, they remain mere words or ideas.
So you don’t have to do anything, you only have to go within and integrate more and more. Connection inside starts with contemplation. You connection with yourself starts with contemplation, “Who am I? What am I? Why am I?” and that should spontaneously lead to meditation. It is not that you meditate first and then you connect. You ask yourself questions, next you integrate yourself, then it becomes meditation and awareness grows; awareness stabilises and you become Buddha.
CONTEMPLATION -> INTEGRATION -> MEDITATION -> AWARENESS -> BUDDHA CONSCIOUSNESS
This is how it flows. It is all from inside, not about outside. Also, whether you like or dislike a guru, whether you like or dislike a path, it is purely the mind’s play. The path of the guru has nothing to do with it. Some people might say, “I love him,” the very next day they say, “I hate him.” Again, it is the mind’s play, because the mind cannot stabilise you in any way. Mind’s nature is instability and that is what you are expressing. If you really love something, there will be a pleasant, consistent connection. It will be a connection forever, very pleasant, loving and without expectation. And then you are not looking at him and judging, “Oh, is he looking at me? Is he smiling?” Whether he smiles or cries, it just doesn’t matter; the connection is forever. When you are stable and mature in your own inside, your connection outside also reflects that. Everyone will be happy with you, you will be happy with everyone. It will be a deep and profound integration, the whole world is you. That’s why I always say stabilise inside. And it’s not about an activity. It’s about our conviction. We have to stay connected in that way. We should have deep conviction.
With or without a living Master
Q: Is it possible to be liberated without the presence of a living Master?
Mohanji: Definitely, because you are liberated by existence. You are liberated by nature. A living Master is an expression, a kind of a road sign. All masters are states. All beings are states. You, as a unit are expressing a particular state of existence in this world. Likewise each Master, each creation, each incarnation is in its own state. It’s incomparable. That is the uniqueness of creation. Every being is representing a state of a particular existence, and when you connect to that being, i.e. integrate into that being, you are internally saying, “I want to be in that state of awareness.” That is why gurus are given by nature. Guru means “somebody who is established in a state as a guru”. Guru doesn’t necessarily mean a human being. Dattatreya had 24 gurus and most of them were from the nature.
There was no living guru teaching something to people.
Likewise in the book Silence of Shiva Atmananda’s guru Shantananda was not teaching Atmananda anything, he only emptied him. He made him completely empty, like a fully open bottle and in the end filled his consciousness inside. The highest delivery of most of the masters is emptiness. But emptiness is not a permanent state; it is like a transit lounge at the airport. Once you are empty, then you fill up. What is filled is pure consciousness, which you already are and which is your real nature. If you are clear and aware of your real nature, then you are able to walk the path. You don’t need any assistance. You don’t need any guru. But gurus are a state which is your aspiration. Masters represent your aspiration for a particular state and that is the state you are looking at. That is also a reminder: “I am that state, I am not this bag of emotions, and I’m not the mind matter (mind, ego, intellect matter). I’m well beyond and that’s the nature.” We are all perfect by nature. By birth, we are perfect. But the mind matter came in as sheaths over our perfection, our complete awareness about us, and that kept illusions. Once the illusions are removed, you are the same. A Master’s job is to take you to a state of Buddha – mind-less (i.e. no mind) state. It’s a state of mind-lessness. When thoughts disappear and the mind also disappears, then the consciousness merges. Then YOU become a Master. Mastery means mastery over mind. When you go beyond the mind, you are a Master. Don’t think that masters are always masters. That’s how you look at them. Everybody is an individual. They are all expressing certain frequencies. They too have weaknesses and strengths. So nobody is a Master, as you think, in a frame. They are all liberated. They have enjoyed freedom. When they see people bound by the mind, unable to enjoy freedom in its fullness, they guide them. They say, “Come this way. I’ve found freedom, I’ll take you there.” It is up to you to go there or not. Nobody will force you. Nobody should force you. And no force is forceful enough. Whenever you resist, it persists. Whenever you block, it remains. Whenever you judge, it affects you. Thus, the whole creation is operating on certain principles of nature. When you are aware of all these principles, you are liberated.
So, you don’t need a Master if you are clear about your destination and the road – the path, the journey, the destination – it’s all the same. Path is called liberation, journey is called liberation, destination is called liberation, because you ARE liberation by birth. Always. The liberated aspect within every unit is the soul. The soul is always liberated. It has nothing to do with your karma, it has nothing to do with anything. It allows you to have a full experience of what you came for. You really don’t need a Master, if you have a clear road map. Otherwise, it may be a good idea to connect to somebody who’s actually connected to the Universe.
Always remember: do not judge, do not criticise, and do not look at that person as the ultimate. Rather, look at them as your own reflection and they will only reflect what YOU are. Their job is to show you what you are, not what they are. What they are, you may not be able to see because you have to rise to that level to see the level at which they operate on. Only a graduate will understand another graduate. A student sitting in grade one may not understand what it is to be a graduate and until he becomes one, there is nurturing to do. So a true Master reflects to you what you are, not what they are. There’s nothing to show because you are everything. A true Master is because when the mind is dissolved, you are every mind, every emotion, every creation, so there is no need for them to express any particular one aspect because they are all 33 crore (330 million) dimensions, they are everything. Therefore what they will reflect to you is what you are, that’s the only thing you can talk to, and you can only talk to yourself, or what you are, your frequency. That is what the true Master gives you.
If you start judging a true Master based on your frequency, you are judging yourself, not the Master, the Master is only reflecting. What is inside you, you are seeing in the Master and he is reflecting it back to you. So when you judge a Master, you judge yourself. Because when you are saying he is not right, you are saying that you might not be right. Understand this clearly.
First and foremost, the truth is always the truth and you are the truth. Secondly, if you are always confident and have conviction about the truth, you don’t need any assistance. Thirdly, if you are confused, if you need a road map, definitely use a road map. It is up to you. And fourthly, you and the Master are one. The Master is your reflection. He will reflect to you only what you are, not what He is because what He is, He cannot reflect. That is for you to find out. If you have understood this, you have understood the entire spiritual journey.
I wish you all the best and I’m happy to speak to all of you. I hope you had a great time and I wish you great days ahead. Lots of love.
If you understand the atom, you can understand the universe
Q: We have heard you say, “When you understand the atom, you will understand the whole creation.” Can you tell us more about this?
Mohanji: The microcosm is a representation of the macrocosm. We are a representation of the Universe. Every being, every creation, in fact everything you see around you is all interconnected in that sense, because everything has come out of energy. The first ever creation that came out of energy is the atom. The atom represents the first possibility of creation and when I say “the first possibility of creation”, it also means the existence of something which is tangible. An atom was the tangibility (matter), and from there, every creation happened. When the atom was created, space was created, because space was otherwise immeasurable without a material or a matter. Matter defined spaces, spaces defined time, and between space and time, creations work. All of us occupy space and a certain time. If you recognize the creation of an atom, you automatically recognize the creation of the whole Universe. When you recognize the creation of the atom, you understand the Universe. When you know the microcosm, you know the macrocosm.
Hence I said, we are all divine beings walking this earth. The mind has distracted us from believing it because mind has connected us to materials around us. Materials and even relationships are fine as experience, but from a larger perspective, when you are talking about the truth, it’s a distraction because they are all dimensions of truth not the absolute truth. Whenever we connect to relative truth, we get stuck with it, based on emotions, ownership, do’s and don’ts, likes and dislikes, and so on. If you look at each incarnation, it has come with a density and intensity required for fulfilling a certain set of karmas, which is how you see in the world, too. Some people live their life intensely. They may live for a shorter period of time, but they live their life with a lot of passion. Some people take it easy; they are not too worried about their life. They may indulge in so many things and it could be mostly unconsciously, too. When you look at every being, the intensity of their incarnation is connected to their purpose. Intensity is connected to purpose.
You will start understanding all these dimensions of existence when you connect to yourself as the microcosm. In fact you are also a macrocosm inside this microcosm. Of course you are a Unit and the universe is outside of you, you see that and get deluded that we are a human incarnation. We fail to see the larger picture because of our existence as an incarnation. However, when you start recognizing yourself more and more, as you go deeper and deeper inside, you start to understand that you are the universe you have been exploring. When you understand the inner universe, you understand the outer universe. That is why I said if you understand the atom, you can understand the universe.
Q: Can you tell us what sustains the atom?
Mohanji: Energy sustains the atom. Atom has come out of pure energy and dissolves back to energy, just as we have come out of elements conglomerated and we will go back to the elements that came together as a conglomeration, as a human incarnation.
Significance of Machu Picchu
Q: Can you tell us the significance of visiting places like Machu Picchu?
Mohanji: They are places of power. Earth is broadly categorized into negative, neutral and positive. Negative means something which binds you, that which reduces you, or that which takes your energy away. A place which is positive means something which enhances or energises you. When we visit places of higher energy, they enhance your energy, align your system, such as mind, body, intellect, ego, and spirit. That alignment happens in a better environment easily, more easily than in a neutral environment. Most of our living spaces are neutral, they are neither good nor bad, and then we have to put in our effort to make it better. We have pictures of Masters, temples and we light the lamp in order to enhance the energy of our living space. Places like Machu Picchu, Kailash, etc. are all also a confirmation that you are on the path of liberation; your own conviction takes you there. When you go to a place like Machu Picchu, it is predominantly Mother energy. Mother energy is alignment, nurturing, it’s like the womb experience, experience of levitation, etc. When you go to some place like that, you automatically start feeling perfect alignment, as if you are in the womb earlier… you probably don’t remember it, but that’s the experience. When you go to Kailash, you are taking a step in the direction of liberation. It is a confirmation that we are walking the path of liberation. Shiva means liberated existence, existence where you belong to nobody, nobody belongs to you or you are everything.
These are the stages which we recognize in our own life. The first level is that you become a human, you start experiencing being a human. This means that you start expressing kindness, compassion, love, the higher qualities beyond all dimensions, i.e. you naturally start expressing love, expressing kindness, compassion, and you can’t express anger, hatred, jealousy or revenge. That is being totally human. This is the first level, that is, the stabilization you need in that level. In the next level you become a saint human. As a saint human, again it is a state, not that you become a saint or you run away into a forest or something like that, it’s a state you achieve where you become very clear that nothing belongs to you and you belong to nothing, you belong to nobody, nobody belongs to you. You become actually aware of your existence as a complete unit. Then you evolve further into the level of God Human. When I say God Human, again it is not that you are egoistic and you are telling everybody, ”Look here, I am God. “ It’s an experience where you feel that you are everything, the plants, animals, birds, all the people, all the insects and everything around you, that’s you. So you see yourself in millions of dimensions. That experience leads you to a state of complete fulfillment or completion.
We experience these stages at various points in our existence, maybe in one life, or many lives. But a place like Machu Picchu or Kailash stabilise the state you are in, such as being a human. The space helps stabilization of the state you have reached, of what you are. That is why we go to places of power. It’s not that the place will change you completely, it helps you to nurture and stabilize what you already are. Definitely, we need to walk. We have to walk. It is an individual journey. Spirituality is definitely an individual journey. A teacher’s job is as a road map, road sign, or a guide. Likewise places also help you to stabilise in certain levels you have already reached and if you are consistently following the same path, they help you to nurture that further. From human to saint to God, transition becomes easier. Do not understand it using the literal English meaning; a saint doesn’t mean you actually wear a particular type of garb or that you walk or talk in a particular manner. Also being God doesn’t mean you tell everybody, “Now I have become God!” Actually it’s an experience inside and you would not talk about it outside, because there is nothing to talk, nothing to tell, nothing to say, your own experience will express itself around. You can’t hide the way you live, the way you are, because you have become so powerful, you’ve become so expanded, and it really starts working on other people. So people will start having changes because of you, your presence. Things like that will spontaneously happen, it’s not about how you communicate, what you communicate, who you are, where you are from, what’s your colour, community, country, religion, nothing like that. It’s a state. These are all states we achieve, and each state will demonstrate who we are and that will be a clear definition in the world.
True silence vs. complacency
Q: How do we differentiate between true silence from silence which may come from complacency?
Mohanji: True inner silence is expansion. Complacency is contraction. When mind is inducing a kind of a state where you don’t like to work or you don’t want to move out or talk to people, such as depression states, that will reflect as contraction in the world. This means that they are dull or not able to perform or there is no power of will, power of action, power of knowledge. Nothing will be visible. But in deeper silence, when you are established in a type of silence where you are stabilised in a particular state, it reflects as brightness, brilliance, benevolence, love, compassion and so forth. Always understand, whenever we talk about anger, hatred, jealousy, and lying compulsively – people lie because they are in a particular energy level, it is all connected to certain frequencies. A frequency which is induced by certain emotions or certain situations, will not have that power to change anything. It will be more like a sleepy or drowsy state. However, when the Iccha shakti (power of will, intention), Jnana shakti (power of knowledge), Kriya shakti (power of action, manifestation) are all balanced, i.e. it is overflowing or more powerful than your emotions, and that is what is driving you, it will be visible in the world as great personalities who are well stabilised, contented, happy with what they have, not chasing anybody, not comparing, judging, criticising… They are not doing anything which is of negative nature. This will be visible very clearly. And you will love to be with them, because they always make you feel better. They always take you to the next level. They always try to help you climb the ladder of liberation. So, this is very, very clear and you don’t even have to ask. That’s the point. The point is they are by nature kind, benevolent, compassionate, helpful, so you will never have to ask, “Can you do this for me?” or “Can you help me?”.
On the other hand, when you are dull, depressed, etc. even if others ask you to do something, they would say, “I’m tired, I can’t do it.” There will be a very drastic difference between these two.
To stay in higher elevation or the level of liberation or the path of liberation is not easy. It needsfirm conviction. Determination. And you need to be very clear that this is what you want to achieve in this lifetime. Then it comes to you, or it’s more meaningful. Otherwise, people always go for the tangible. When people talk about spirituality, for them it means some experience, e.g. “I had a great experience some time.” But always remember: what does not stay, does not belong to you. If a state has happened to you and it stays as it is continuously, today, tomorrow, the day after, yesterday… every day, then it’s yours. Otherwise, states come and go. People chase those states – it’s a mind’s game. Mind likes to have experiences. Mind likes to have breakfast, then it is lunch and then dinner, there is no satisfaction, no contentment; it’s stages of discontentment, one after another. So when we know that we are fully settled and completely happy and contented with what we have, we are not judging or criticising anyone, we are not assessing or comparing one with another, we accept everyone’s weaknesses and strengths, then we have stabilised. If we don’t accept the weaknesses or strengths of others, just as we don’t accept our weakness or strength, we are in a stage of instability. In this state there is no way you can progress. Therefore first and foremost we must become a human human – a human who is able to accept everything, accept everybody, share what you have. It doesn’t matter what you have, but whatever you have, you have the ability to share and you have the ability to nurture yourself and others, that’s being human. From that level, you will spontaneously raise yourself to the level of saint human where you clearly know that nothing belongs to you and you belong to nothing. Nobody belongs to you, you belong to nobody. So the ownership aspect goes out completely. You will not have ownership. When there is no ownership of an activity, there is no karma attached to it. Karma is connected to ownership. This is one word you should remember. Karma is connected to ownership, liberation is connected to acceptance. If you accept yourself more and more with all your weaknesses and strengths, you are already on the path of liberation. If you are constantly judging, criticising, comparing yourself with other people and also discontented all the time, you are definitely in the path of binding, path of gravitation. That will create more lives. That will create more karma. Always understand this clearly: acceptance helps liberation, ownership keeps you bound, this is important to remember, and ownership leads to stages of depression.
How to help a depressed person
Q: What can we as individuals do to help people who are depressed or dull?
Mohanji: The same way the sun brightens the earth. Be the sun. Be the light. Be the brightness and that’s the best way to tell the world that the darkness is temporary. When there is light, there is no darkness. There’s no way you can change somebody by asking them to change. If you try to preach, they will become stronger in their conviction that they should not change! Instead, you be the change. You have to be the change. You have to be bright. You have to be contented. You have to be satisfied with what you have. You should be grateful for what you have. All these qualities will help you to be the sun in the society. You will be as bright as the sunlight in the society. Then the society will start taking you seriously. They start following you. And all of that is because YOU are bright.
Now, if you are discontented and angry, full of hatred towards somebody, then the society will take you as that because they don’t want to buy that from you. Always remember that society responds to you as you are.
The same applies to people in the house or elsewhere. You have to be as bright as the sun. Then there will be sunlight and that sunlight will be good for everybody. Don’t ever think as to who is benefitted. A lot of people will benefit from what we are. And do not count. If you count, this is where your mind is getting involved. Don’t look, just spread the sunlight. Keep spreading sunlight. That’s all you need to do. Just like the sun. The sun is a great model for liberated existence. Just be the sun. Spread the light. It doesn’t matter who is benefitted. Just keep spreading.
Q: Can you please explain the meaning of a true brahmacharya?
Mohanji: Brahmacharya is a state where you are completely connected to the Supreme Consciousness, Brahma. Brahmacharya is somebody who’s walking the path of Brahma, somebody connected to Brahma. What you are connected to, that’s what you are. Brahma is Supreme consciousness which is fully bright, fully liberated and completely without boundaries – no form, no colour, no taste, nothing, it’s beyond everything – Absolute Consciousness. When you always walk on that path, you are a Brahmachari. There are also some discipline methods which traditions have prescribed to be there. Look at the state of an avadhoota.
THE STORY OF VYASA
Here is a story of Vyasa (a great saint who wrote the Mahabharata). Vyasa was sitting on the banks of Yamuna and the Yamuna was overflowing its banks. Some people wanted to go to the other side, where Krishna was sitting. They found that there was no boat to go there, because the river was in spate. They then saw Vyasa meditating under a tree. They sat down around him and waited. When Vyasa opened his eyes, he saw them and asked, “Why are you here?”
They said, “We wanted to go to the other side of the river to meet Krishna, but the river is overflowing so we can’t go.”
Then Vyasa said, “Ok, I understand. What have you brought? Have you brought something for Krishna?”
They were all cowherds. They said, “All these sweets we made out of cow’s milk and ghee (clarified butter). We’ve brought all these in packets.”
Vyasa said, “Can I see?”
They showed him and he started eating… He ate almost half of what they brought! Then he said, “I can’t eat any more. I’ll help you.”
He went to the river and said, ”If I have not eaten, let the river part.”
The river parted!
Everyone saw him eating! But what did he say? “If I have not eaten anything, let the river part.” The river parted and they crossed over to the other side. On the other side, they walked a little bit and then they saw Krishna lying on a bench in a garden. They went to Krishna and He said, “I’m happy to see you. When did you come?…” He then saw the packets and asked, “What is this?” They said, “We have brought all these sweets for you”. They were reluctant to give Krishna this half-eaten basket because Vyasa had already eaten from it. With a bit of shame, they said, “We brought this for you but had to share it with a saint.”
Then He said, “No, no, no, I can’t eat anything. My belly is full. I ate the same thing just a short while ago.”
So, when Vyasa was eating, Krishna was eating. That is, he was deeply connected to Krishna, the Brahma. There was no ownership on the part of Vyasa, therefore when he consumed, Krishna consumed. When you are one with Brahma, then you are a proper Brahmachari. That is what we should understand. A proper Brahmachari is always in that consciousness. It doesn’t matter what he does, but the consciousness is intact. Integrated. That is why I always say your highest achievement is in your INTEGRATION, not in your activity. You can do meditations for hours. You can do chants for hours. If you are not integrated properly to a consciousness, progress will be slow.
THE STORY OF RADHA
The same happened to Radha. Radha was devoted to Krishna. When Krishna’s wives became jealous, they brought boiling hot milk to Radha to drink, saying Krishna sent it to her. She was overwhelmed, “Oh, Krishna sent me milk! Krishna thought about me! I’m happy.” And she drank the whole pot without thinking much. Nothing happened. Krishna’s wives were surprised that Radha’s throat was not burnt.
But when Krishna came for lunch, He said, “I cannot have any food today, my entire mouth and throat are burnt.” So, when Radha drank the milk, she was so integrated into Krishna that everything she ate went to Krishna.
What we should understand is a proper Brahmachari has no separation from the object of worship. When we are totally integrated, when we are deeply connected to the consciousness which we consider as the Supreme, then nothing comes to us. Everything will stay with the object of worship. It doesn’t get filtered to the other side. If you understood this, you have understood the entire philosophy, the whole spirituality. Everything is about how deeply you integrate. If you are really deeply integrating, you are free from everything. Even at the time of death, your soul will be integrated with the object (of devotion, worship) you are one with. If you are integrated with a guru, who is connected to the Supreme Consciousness, or to any object you like, that integration should be clear, no wandering, no judging, no criticising, no doubting. Full and clear connection. Then at the time of death, you will merge with Him because there will be no karma for you.
In the book which is coming out soon “The Silence of Shiva”, I talk about this subject. When Atmananda left the body, he took away the karmic baggage of Srinath, too. Srinath was liberated while his guru was leaving the body. Both happened simultaneously. That’s because he was connected to only one object and he had nothing else in this world. The guru was the consciousness for him or, he was guru. He was one with the consciousness of the guru. Whichever way you look at it, they were together, one. This oneness is enough for the highest to be achieved. However, we normally don’t practise that. We judge the guru, we compare, we have a conditional relationship with the guru or God. Even when we go to temples, we may have conditional aspects, i.e. we go for a particular reason. In contrast, when you are full of gratitude, reverence, and you are deeply connected to consciousness, i.e. inseparably connected, then you have no karma anymore. Your karma will be wiped away by the guru’s consciousness or energy. This is the easiest and the strongest path to liberation. But that doesn’t happen because the mind comes in the middle, meeting a master or being with a master becomes the last priority. Then it doesn’t work that way.
Furthermore, people approach a teacher for only small things like, “Can you get a job for my son or my daughter married?”. Then it rests in the terrestrial level. That’s why nothing is happening on the consciousness level.
So, being a proper Brahmachari is a whole-life effort. It’s an integration into the consciousness.
Ownership vs. responsibility
Q: How do we differentiate between ownership and responsibility?
Mohanji: Responsibility is dharma, ownership is an aberration. Responsibility means that as a father, a mother, a child, we are responsible for various matters of life. Ownership about that is an illusion. It means that you forget that things are HAPPENING. The feeling of doership comes because of non-understanding. We feel we are DOING. At that time, you need to remember only one thing: who is doing your digestion? Who’s doing your blood circulation? Who’s doing your heartbeat? Then you realise that you are not doing anything. We have no control over any of the vital functions in our system. When you are clear that you have no control over your own vital system, you realise that all the things outside are also HAPPENING THROUGH ME. It is not that “I am DOING.” When this understanding settles in deeply, ownership dissolves. When ownership dissolves, karma starts dissolving.
Your responsibility is that if you have taken a body, you have the responsibility towards yourself first, then to the world outside as well. What you see outside is your own reflection in various ways. If you see an angry person, he represents the anger within you. If you see a jealous person, it’s the jealousy in you represented in another person. All the things you see outside are expressions from you. The outside is just like a mirror. The mind is a mirror, too. Mind projects what is inside you. When you are angry, there is anger sitting inside you projected through the mind. When you are happy, happiness is inside you which is projected through the mind. Like that, the whole world is a mirror. What you are gets reflected to you through people, through situations, through time, through events, through nature. Everything is coming back to you exactly as you are. If you understand this clearly, your responsibility will be to express kindness, compassion, love, share everything as much as you can, include everything and everybody because all people are you, there are no other people. It’s all expressions. Everybody is an expression, so you do not even think “this is mine”, I should keep it for myself. For how long can you? If you really understand that you cannot keep anything with yourself for long, then you will start sharing. That awareness is essential. You own nothing, nothing owns you. You own nobody, nobody owns you. It’s this ownership of “me and mine” which binds you to earth and makes all karma.
So responsibility is what you have to do and ownership is connected to your ego and mind. This is something which you should clearly differentiate. What you have to do, you should do, what you like to do is what your mind allows. “Like” is connected to mind, “have to do” is connected to dharma (righteous duty) which you must perform.
How to deal with negativity
Q: How can we stand up against the negativity around us and not hide from it?
Mohanji: Don’t stand up at all against negativity. Instead, make friends with positivity. You don’t really have to stand up against anything in life. There is nothing to resist in life. Whatever you resist, will persist, will stay with you more. What you have to do is, sponsor positivity, act positively, think positively, do positively, talk positively, be kind, be compassionate and nurture positivity.
Negativity is like a shadow. MATTER is required to reflect a shadow. LIGHT is your truth. Light reflects on matter, creates a shadow. So truth is light. Stay with the truth. Truth is brightness. Truth is your highest order. Compassion is truth. Kindness is truth. Being love is truth. That is what you should sponsor and perceive all the time. Negativity means insecurities, fears, something unknown, all of which are creating a confusion in the mind. That’s the negative matter we are talking about and that’s binding you, making you depressed. Don’t look at them. Let them exist, what’s the problem? Whenever there is a positivity, there will be negativity. Wherever there’s light, there will be a shadow. Why do we worry about the shadow? Let’s look at light.Learning to always see the light is our effort. That is our meditation. Always see the brightness, always see the love, always see the compassion, always see what else you can do in this world in the most loving, compassionate way. Before you speak, think, “Am I speaking with kindness?” If you are not, then it’s better not to speak. If you constantly express that, the negativity we are talking about that bothers you, that binds you, will lose its significance. They will try. Of course, when the brightness increases, so does the shadow. All of these are part of life. But it doesn’t mean that you should not increase your light or that you should not go towards light even more.
I always recommend, do not fight with the negative, instead make friends with the positive. Be with positive. Do positive. Be kindness incarnate. Feel compassion. Keep asking, “Is there anything I can do for you?”. Don’t look at “What am I getting from this whole thing?” That is selfishness. Instead ask, “What can I give you?” Then, what happens? Like a water well, when you draw more water from the well, fresh water comes from the earth into the well. Likewise, when we share more, more resources will come to you to share because inner richness makes you richer. It’s all about inner richness. We are rich by birth but we don’t know this because our mind made a cage for us. We are sitting in the cage of the mind. The moment the cage is broken, you realise that the whole world, the whole universe is yours. And the universe starts reflecting to you the same thing because the universe is a mirror. When you look at the universe with anger, the universe shows anger to you. Similarly, when there is a continuous tamasic greedy activity happening, there will be a calamity.
So everything is connected to the collective consciousness you have nurtured inside and outside. A group of people thinking positively will enhance the energy of a place. This is what we should achieve. That’s the actual spiritual growth. First be human, then we will talk about being a saint. You will reach it automatically.
Q: When we chant a mantra, do we need to focus on the words or on the deity?
Focus on the vibrations. Mantras are vibrations. When you chant a mantra, only 10% should come out (be heard) and 90% should be within. You are solidifying inside. Concentrate within and chant, preferably from the navel. 90% of the sound, of the vibration is inside, 10% outside. This is the right way to chant a mantra.
Mantras are vibrations meant to align you or awaken you. Aligning and awakening. That’s the true purpose of a mantra. First of all it aligns you, then it awakens various aspects of you, just like the 33 crore (330 million) gods of the Hindu tradition. 33 Crore gods sounds like there are too many gods, but they are all 33 crore dimensions of human existence. When you chant in a particular order, that aspect in you gets enhanced. It awakens that aspect in you.
Everything is about awakening and aligning. All the mantras are good, nothing is bad, but the manner in which you chant it should be internal. You cannot awake anything outside you by your own will. What you can do is awaken inside you. It reflects outside. When you awaken yourself completely, it shows outside as brightness. If you focus on outside instead, nothing will happen. Vibrations are good, energy will be good around, but more will happen if you awaken yourself from inside. Then it will stabilise outside, it will be reflected outside. That’s the right way to do it.
Transcribed and proofread by Biljana Vozarevic and Vidya Rajagopalan
Q: When people asked Ramana Maharishi a question, he always guided them to the quest “Who am I?”, to the appropriate root, “Who is asking this question?” which I never really understood. That is one part. And the second part is he always asked people the same question, “What is your personality in deep sleep?” Because in deep sleep there is no one to know “Who am I?”; because there is no one there. It is just a state called deep sleep and when the brain comes into the picture, I wake up and the word “ I “ comes into the picture and then other parts follow it. So it’s baffling why he gave this example in order to answer the question to some of the followers. Is there any significance to it?
Mohanji: I think the right person to answer this question is Ramana Maharishi himself.
Mohanji: I’ll try. He is a great master. I can’t even begin to explain how great he is. In my limited way, I will try. Manana (contemplation) is beyond dhyana (meditation). Meditation is a state you achieve when you are fully concentrated on and occupied with one matter, one subject, such as ‘Om’ or breath or whatever. That’s a state of meditation. Actually meditation as an activity does not exist. Meditation is not an activity. It is a state when your mind is occupied completely with one thing, which means it is fully here. That’s meditation. In activity of meditation people will be thinking of all the things in the world and sitting in one place, closing the eyes. That’s not meditation.
On the other hand, contemplation is very important as a means to reach a state of meditation. That is what Ramana Maharishi probably would have meant by this. “Who am I?” is a good position to start at some point in time because we always get connected to the incarnation that we are projecting to the world. We project these to the world: “I am so and so. This is my name. This is my form. This is my country of origin. This is my passport number (laughs)…” “Who am I?” is a good question when used as a tool to go within and explore yourself. You then arrive at certain answers, which, as Adi Shankara said (in the “Nirvana Shatakam”),
Mano-Buddhi-Ahankaara, Chittaani Naaham
Na Cha Shrotra-Jihveh, Na Cha Ghraan-na-Netre
Na Cha Vyoma Bhoomir, Na Tejo Na Vaayuh
Chid-Aananda-Roopah, Shivoham Shivoham
”I’m not the body, I’m not the mind, I’m not the intellect, I’m not the ego, I’m not the personality, I’m not the organs of action, I’m not the organs of perception, I’m Shiva.”
To arrive at the point where you realise that you are Shiva, you have to discount many things. For example, in the immigration form, a question is asked, “What are you carrying?” Whatever you are not carrying, you put ‘x’ mark. Similarly, we delete numerous things, delete, delete, delete… Then what are you? You arrive at the stage, ”Aham Brahmasmi”. Thus in order to reach that stage, a lot of deletions are needed because “I think I am the body, I think I am the personality, I think I am the mind…,” some people say “I think therefore I am”, that’s not true. You think because you have a mind. But you are not the mind anyway. Thus, many things have to be deleted, before you arrive at, “I am pure consciousness.” However, pure consciousness is an experience, it’s not knowledge. You can’t know pure consciousness. You have to experience pure consciousness. Therefore all these things get deleted, and ask not only “Who am I?” but also “What am I? What is my structure? What is my form?”. Theories explain many things, but that’s not ours, right? Books would have explained too, that is not ours either.
We have to go deeper and deeper and understand: “What am I?” Then another question comes, “WHY am I? Why is this whole show? Why is this drama, this situation?”The Upanishads, scriptures have answered it. In one of the Upanishads, a son is asking his father, “You say I am divine incarnate. I don’t feel like one. I feel like a stupid human being.” How can you say that I am a divine incarnate? Can you prove it to me?
Father said, ”Bring me some fire.”
The son brought a lamp, lit, with a flame.
Then father said, ”I told you to bring me some fire, why have you brought a lamp?”
The son brought a charcoal which had fire on it.
Then father said, “I told you to bring me some fire, why have you brought a charcoal?”
The son asked, “Father, how can I bring fire without any means?”
Then father said, “How can divinity express itself without any means? You need to connect to material, to matter, to understand truth.”
It’s not possible to directly connect to truth with a human mind and that is why masters have guided you “Who am I? What am I? Why am I?” Then you arrive at a certain truth. Adi Shankara who came fully awakened, said at the age of eight, “I’m not the body, I’m not the mind, I’m not the intellect,… I’m not what I SEEM to be. I’m not that.” Then, what am I? That’s when I realise, I am the consciousness, the pure divinity, expressing through this incarnation. That’s an experience. That’s the experience Ramana Maharishi probably wanted everybody to achieve. This is my limited knowledge and I cannot even begin to explain, Ramana Maharishi is like an avatar, so there are masters who walked this earth but their aim was to take you to yourself.Path is you. Destination is you. Experience of journey is you. Journey is you. What is remaining? You.
Q: Namaste. What is the role of experiences?
Mohanji: It’s role is similar to milestones in your journey. When you travel from here, let’s say to Florida, at a certain stage, you say, “ Ok, we are so many miles away from Florida”. So, what does that milestone tell you? That you have travelled so far and you have to travel further, if you want to reach the same destination. Otherwise you can go elsewhere too (chuckles). That is the role of experiences. Hence Patanjali always said, “Keep moving. Ignore. Keep moving.” Because experiences can be traps. People have told me, “Mohanji I had a great experience during a particular meditation. That’s not coming back” and I said, “Congratulations.” (Laughs) It should not come back. It means you have moved forward. That is important. Because in this journey, experiences are the states that the mind is reflecting to or something which you experience for some time. If a state happens, it stays. A state doesn’t change. It is like when you graduate. The next day, you will not become an undergraduate. Graduation is forever. Like that, until and unless experiences stabilise into a state, it is not yours. So experiences will come and go, and they must come and go as road signs. But they are not staying because it is not your state yet. How do you understand the state of bliss happening? You will be like a child. You can see young children, they don’t care about your meditations and stuff. They play. They are happy. They are in the moment. They are great teachers. Small children are great teachers. Be in that moment, whatever comes, experience it and let go, like the meal you had at noon. That experience is over, isn’t it? Now, since you had that experience, does it mean that you don’t need food anymore? You must have dinner. Like that, every situation is evolving. What you experience at each point in time is very important. It is definitely important, but don’t stop there. You may reach a state of complete no experience, where the mind is dying.
Higher states of consciousness
Samadhi is a state where the mind is stable. The third state of samadhi is a state where your thoughts will be outside of you. Thoughts will not be inside. You see your thoughts outside of you and they stop having the power to make a difference or to have an effect on you. Your own thoughts will not be yours. They exist as thoughts, as a kind of possibility, but not a reality. There is a difference here. It exists as a possibility, but not exactly a reality. You think, “Ok that’s mine, but I don’t need it…” like people walking outside along this road. Would you care who is walking? They are walking. You know they are walking, but it doesn’t matter to you, likewise thoughts stop bothering you.
Then the next state is when thoughts die because they can’t do anything to you. Say, someone is abusing you, calling you monkey, donkey, and so on, but you do not respond. If you are not at all responding, what will that guy do? He will stop calling you names, because there is no use. Similarly, when we are not affected by anything, even experiences, progress is very fast because you are not bound by them. Experience is happening, good enough, it is not happening, good enough. Then you are just being you. You will consolidate yourself into a unit, powerful. Then all experiences become yours. If someone cries at a distance, you will know. If someone is laughing at a distance, you will know. If someone is feeling something, you will know – not just human, everything. You will stop having any differences in existence. You will feel even if a plant is in pain. It’s not that the pain belongs to you. It passes through you. Everything passes through you because you are everything. Everything is inside you. When everything is inside you, you are everything. In that journey, small experiences are hindrances, but you can neither really block them nor accept them. They are happening – thank you. Like that, just let them come and go.
Q: How can we accept everything?
Mohanji: The simple and direct answer would be, “Do you have a choice?” Whatever happens in a day or in a moment, it has happened because the configuration has created it. We call it destiny. Something created it, a time, a space, a group of people, an event, and a corresponding experience, something would have created all this. If you do not accept, it can become a pattern. We have seen that the same or a similar pattern repeats in life. Similar effects also happen. And if you go deep inside each pattern, you will see that there was resistance. You have something to do with whatever happens in your life in a particular moment, or over time. At some point in time or at various points in time, you collected that and put it inside as an essence, as a seed, as an impression. The residual memories of experiences become seeds. They are stored as impressions. Residual memories of experiences, such as, you had lunch and you have a memory of the lunch. That is the impression that stays inside. Then it produces likes and dislikes.
It produces situations. There is what we call mind matter or substratum which has three aspects: mind, intellect and ego. Put together, this is mind matter. What activates mind matter is breath. We have a specific number of breaths before we leave, which means duration. That’s why I said that if you live for 80 years i.e. 29200 days, you will breathe. And the breath or the prana activates the mind matter, impressions are the fuel, and they become thoughts. Then they become expressions and later become actions. Many thoughts happen, fewer expressions happen, and even fewer actions happen. This is our life. This is how we are flowing.
Why are certain things coming back again and again? Because at some point in time, we resisted them. So, is acceptance better or resistance? That’s the point. If you look within, you will know, I do not need to explain. I’m not better than you, because we are all in the same journey; we are going towards the same brightness. We know very well that every moment, reality is given – time, space, situation, there is a boundary within which an experience is taking place. Whether you take it in, accept or reject, it stays. It happens.
How do you make all the situations or events or experiences, reasonably edible? Through acceptance. When Ramana Maharishi had cancer, someone asked him, “Is it very difficult?” (laughs) Of course it will be difficult if you have cancer. It’s not a pleasurable experience, right? Ramana Maharishi said, “I have pain because I have a body. But I have no suffering. Because that’s my choice, I refuse to suffer.” That’s our choice because suffering is connected to the mind. Body is there. You will have everything associated with the body. Hunger is happening because we have a body. You have to feed the annamaya kosha (food sheath) so hunger will happen. Because you have a mind, you handle emotions. We talked about a family. But everyone is the same; there is no one apart from you, even though somebody is your wife or child or father or mother. Each of them has a different constitution, but they are the same as us. They have their uniqueness, they have their differences, constitutions are different, maybe the experiences and the assimilation of experiences could be different, but they are all units. It’s all the same. Although somebody is your wife, you cannot own anybody. You own nobody in this life. Although somebody has come to your life as your child, you can’t own that person. If you try to own a child for a very long time, they will put you in an old age home later.
Mohanji: Why do we have so many old age homes today? Because children are fed up of the parents. Because we (as parents) “own” them (children). There is no ownership possible. Nobody can own anything. You cannot own even your body. Everything comes and goes. If you operate with that awareness, everything is pleasure, happiness. You become light. Like a breeze, you flow through life. It’s your birthright, you see? If resistance is the other option, is acceptance better?
(The questioner nods)
Mohanji: It is much better.
Streams of thoughts
Q: How to change the streams of thoughts that we are trapped into? We know that these thoughts should not come but they just come back again and again. How to just change the series of thoughts?
Mohanji: Thank you. Thoughts are coming out of impressions sitting inside and the impressions are coming out of residual memories or fears. Memories can be fears. Memories are probably not from your own experience. They could be fears you have collected from this life or another life or from people or from society. This is the cause for those thoughts. When you look at those thoughts, as if they are children playing in a garden, you are looking at them. You are neither happy, nor sad. You are just looking at them and if you can look at your thoughts like that, they will become weaker. When you are involved in thoughts or when you are affected by them, they stay longer or they keep coming back, especially so when you are affected. We may have experienced, for example, if someone we deeply love, behaves in a very bad way with us, we become affected. We are unable to do anything that day because we feel very depressed. There is an expectation connected to it. When that expectation is broken, we suffer. If there is no expectation, what would be the feeling? Nothing can tilt you. Nothing can destabilise you. Our thoughts are merely our own children. They have happened because there is an impression connected to it; when mixed with breath, it became a thought. These thoughts will keep coming and allow them to come, but have nothing to do with them. You are then watching them. You are experiencing a particular thought. This is one option. Another option is to surrender them, “They are not mine, I leave them at Your feet.” To you guru or God or whoever you trust, keep surrendering, “They are not mine.” Detach from it. One is objective observation, second is detachment. Both will help to reduce the intensity of thoughts.
And how do you know whether it is leading you to liberated existence? Its frequency reduces. It’s not that in one day such thoughts will go away, because there is a habit connected to it. People are habitually thinking, habitually doing, habitually performing. Habit. Thoughts are also connected to certain habits. We are habituated into thinking in certain ways. That will be there for some time, then the habit itself will become weaker because you are not receiving any pleasure out of it. When I say pleasure, even a pain is a pleasure in that context, remember. We always keep thoughts which are painful, even more than the happy thoughts. Happy thoughts are not stored much. Why do painful thoughts stay longer? Because of resistance. We try to push them away, so they stay. So why do we go to a gymnasium? We practise resistance so that we develop good muscles. Resistance is also connected to endurance. Looking at it positively, resistance is keeping it. But now when we are not resisting – it’s coming, it’s going, so what? When you have nothing to do with your thoughts, neither entertaining, nor rejecting them, then they start to weaken. That’s why I said earlier, sometimes they are outside of you, they can’t influence you and they die.
Path is you
Q: So Mohanji, all of us who are here tonight together, we have so many difficulties, so many challenges, we live in the world of duality, in the world of opposites where our emotions get in the way. When we leave here tonight, we need help. So what is out there, to be able to help us? The expectations are so high to be good, to be kind, to be compassionate, to serve our families, to serve humanity, and we are not there yet, we do good a little here a little there. So what resources do we have when we leave tonight to be able to help us on our way?
Mohanji: Can I give a one-word answer? (pauses) …You.
Mohanji: You have no other resources. Actually, it is the honest truth. There is no way any external thing can be useful in any level of calamity inside us. Situations outside have not happened in one day. Something matured into that state, whether it is positive or negative. There is a beginning, growth and a culmination for everything. It’s as an evolution. You can’t change that course, even negativity for that matter. It rises, it stays and it dies. Positivity is the same. What is your best bet here? You. You are the best bet. And how can you be very effective, your most effective expression? Consistency, conviction, expression. You have to be very consistent in what you believe in, with conviction and expression. That becomes purpose, clear purpose, clean purpose. When I say ‘purpose’, it’s a positive purpose. A purpose of regeneration. A purpose of love, kindness, compassion… and imagine you become sun and you become bright, and you inspire other people to be bright, it becomes a movement. That’s the best and most powerful movement.
Centuries ago, say a 1000 or 2000 years ago, there were these writings about all individuals who are going to take birth in this world, we call them Nadis. You may call them astrological predictions. In the Southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu there are many such thesis works. These Nadis had super accurate predictions because they are on thesis works. Masters who consolidated it became one unit and they were able to become the universe and from that angle they have predicted that these things will happen in the future. One of those things which caught my attention, rather, I was told is, there was a small write-up about a person who would live in the future, maybe a thousand years later. It said, “At the time when the world believes in dressing up, there will be a man who will surprise the world with his nakedness and he will change the course of the history of this country.” It was about Mahatma Gandhi, written at least a thousand years before he was born! And that man changed the course of the history of the country – with what? Resilience. Conviction.
He knew what he was doing. He stood by it. By resisting we may not change things. Resistance is good for negativity. It loves resistance. It stays stronger. When you resist something, that stays longer. Instead, express what is the right way. Say for example, you are being LOVE continuously and it is visible in the society, people automatically get attracted to you. Why? Because this is pleasant. To be with love is much more pleasant than to be with anger, hatred, jealousy or revenge, and that is because such an emotion contracts you. It makes you dull, it makes you limited. On the contrary, if you are connected to love, it expands. There is nothing to prove. It expands you. Freedom. Live freedom.
That is why I say, if you are always against something, we are always weak. Therefore you need to bring love into the society and change the society from inside. It’s important at this point in time. When you are looking at things from the outside to support you, what can support you? Nothing is permanent outside. Even people. We ourselves have experienced that with people. Some people stay for some time, some people stay slightly longer, some people come and go, some others stay forever. Very few people stay forever. All these things are unpredictable. What is outside is unpredictable. If you want to make something predictable, that can only be from within.
Q: So Mohanji, what about the concept of guardian angels? And also where does the essence of the Guru principle enter?
Mohanji: Guardian angels are your complementing factors. When you are doing something, it accents you. For example, you are being in a particular state, that state is complemented by factors associated with that frequency. If you are in a particular frequency, similar frequencies support you, protect you.
Then, the Guru principle is a guide principle, which is within you. It’s a state you achieve where you are having the larger awareness. That larger awareness, stability, a state of being a mirror happens to you. That is the Guru principle, which everybody has. All of us have it. That state comes to you from within.
Transcribed by Biljana Vozarevic Proofread by Vidya Rajagopalan