Skanda Vale Satsang – Part 2

In summer 2018, Mohanji visited Skanda Vale ashram in the UK. On 17th August, he did Prana Pratishta to the first idol of Lord Dattatreya in Europe (download discourse – mp3 ) and to Nagaraja murti as well.(download discourse – mp3 ).

Here is part 2 of the satsang he conducted afterwards.

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Q: Can you please explain what is Prakriti and Maya?

Mohanji: The two aspects which the scriptures talk about are Purusha and Prakriti, rough translation is Shiva and Shakti. Purusha is Shiva. His expression is all over. And for him to express he needs Shakti, that is Prakriti. Maya is relative truth. Maya is truth, but it has a relative duration. And Karma’s expressionis Maya. Karma is also relative. Everything is changing. Like when you are 5 years old, when you are 10 years old, 15, 20, … your understanding or your experience changes. Same material would have given you different experiences. Maya works in that way. It’s always relative. Absolute Truth is Matha or Mother; absolute truth. Shakti is the activity aspect of Shiva, and Shiva by nature is full and complete. They say that whole created universe is just like a pimple on Shiva’s space. Shiva is much larger than the pimple (Laughter). So Shakti is needed for Shiva, that’s Prakriti; it is Shakti. Prakriti is the creation, created out of pure consciousness which is Shiva.

I asked the question to somebody recently why Shiva got angry when Shakti/Sathi died? Shiva should not get angry, right? Will Pure consciousness get angry? Pure consciousness cannot accept that Shakti does not exist. That means there’s no creation. The Tandava, the expression, happened in a violent mode, because Shakti was dissolving into Shiva. When Shakti dissolves into Shiva, what happens? Pure Consciousness, no creation. So, Shiva shook up and he fragmented the whole thing again. With a lot of difficulty at one time he created the atom. Now again, that atom dissolving back to pure consciousness, then no creation. So, he expressed himself. It’s not anger; it’s like intensity. Sometime intensity will be considered as anger.

Speaker: Mohanji, I wanted to ask why we’re all separate, why we feel we are separate from God. The idea is that you come to know God, that’s the purpose of life. Why God is one and total and undone, why separate?

Mohanji: That’s only in the mind. See, when you’re in deep sleep, you have no separation, you’re fully in bliss, because you don’t know your time, your space your properties. But when you wake up, you have this mind factor or the mind matter; when I say mind matter, it contains mind, ego, intellect, which keeps the form that reinforces your identifications and all those kinds of stuff. So, you have an opportunity here that you can go, always see beyond the usual and connect to the absolute truth; that option you always have. But what happens is that mind never allows it so easily. Mind is only a reflector. Mind has no flavours. What flavour it is given, that flavour it will reflect. Mind is maintained by thoughts, the thoughts are the pillars which maintain the mind. This mind is constantly reflecting mostly programmed stuff, programmed with a program you’re used to: habitual feelings, emotions, and patterns. That’s what mind reflects. And when mind keeps reflecting it, you completely get diluted from the truth. That you are the consciousness which the whole universe is connected to. And you are the whole universe. Aham Brahmasmi is missed, right?

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That’s why in the Upanishad, the child asks the father, ‘You keep telling I am divine, I don’t feel like I’m divine. Why you keep telling me that?’

The father said, ‘bring some fire’. So, the child brought a lamp lit.

Then father said, ‘I told you, bring some fire. Why have you brought a lamp?’.

The child then went and brought a charcoal with fire on it.

He said, ‘I told you to bring me fire, not charcoal’. To which the child replied, ‘Father, I can’t bring you fire without a medium’.

To which, the father said, “Divinity cannot express without a medium, and that’s what you are.”

So if that understanding is constant, then the Maya will dilute. Maya cannot exist. Because you will only see your reflections everywhere. When you’re when you’re seeing anger in people, understand the anger sits in you. What you are, you see its reflection in everything. Like if you are extremely sick and you are looking at a beautiful sunshine, you will feel nothing. Because you’re not well; it’s not connected to the sunshine. But because how we are gets reflected back to us, or we experience it that way. That’s the truth. This is how it always works.

Three stages every day are given for you to connect to these. One is the waking state. The second is dream state, where your dimensions are different.  Your dreams are coming directly out of your subconscious. This data sits in your subconscious. And in the third deep sleep state, you have no idea who you are – death state. And then you wake up again. Birth state; rebirth in the morning. That’s why some people are lazy to get up. Because we are taking a new birth, it takes time to walk. Immediately you will not walk right; takes time. (Laughter) Don’t take me seriously. (Laughter).

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Speaker: Mohanji, can you talk about, I don’t quite understand yet clearly enough for myself, about the mind, the concept of the mind or the definition of the mind? Or why do we have the mind to create the problem? And in relation to the consciousness.

Mohanji: Mind is like an organ. Let’s look at it… ask the question again.

Speaker: I asked about the mind and to define it more in detail. Mind in relation to the consciousness.

Mohanji: You look at mind as an organ. And what is its purpose? Experience. Experience is the purpose. And mind with your eyes you see, mind with your ears you hear. Otherwise sound will be there but you may not hear. Many times, when people talk, you won’t hear, right? Because mind is not with the ears. Mind with your nose, makes you smell. Mind with your skin makes you feel, with your tongue it makes you taste. And like that… Mind’s job is to experience existence. And it is said that there are millions of things outside, this is all for you. This whole thing is your arena, your football ground. It’s all for you, but then how much can you experience it? Only as much as your capacity. Like for example, you have two eyes. What happens behind you, you cannot see. You can only experience where your eyes can reach. Like that we have limitations. So numerous things, to experience them you have five senses, one mind. Mind with that particular sense makes you experience that particular thing. And what is the experience, broadly classified? Happiness or sorrow. This is human existence.

Total human existence. Millions of things, five senses, one mind, happiness or sorrow. This is how we live. Now this much is okay. Because this is nice. But then, how does mind becomes a botheration. When mind goes into the past, keeps/stores thing of the past and goes into the future with expectations, anxieties, fears, then that’s where the problem is. Otherwise mind has no problem, or mind is not a problem. Minimal mind is always good. Because you have a cool life. You experience every day. And you don’t store anything. Nothing from the past, nor we are going to the future. But does it stay like that? That is when awareness should come in.

What’s the basic awareness? Past is dead, finished. You can do nothing whatever you want to do in the past is impossible. Clear awareness. Future is yet to be. If you mess up today, your future will be messed up. So, we do what is best in this time. And if you stay in that time, that’s what I was talking about these activities here. Guru Subramanian kept it in such a way that it’s a rapid, very fast repetitive mode so that your mind can’t move. You know, you keep the discipline, you stay here, that’s a technique. So when you’re focused on your activity totally, hundred percent here, mind stays here. Then it doesn’t have time to move to the past or the future. And in that point, in that mode, mind is very effective. Mind is your servant. You know you’re here. Future… it doesn’t matter. The past is done. So in that mode, mind is effective.

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But when you’re leaving the mind to roam in the past and the future, and regrets and relationships and problems and all those things, then it controls you then mind becomes the master. That is where the problem is. Otherwise, there’s no problem. If mind is your servant, there is no problem; for which the key, or the rope, or the leash is awareness. Awareness that I am only existing now and I have no idea about tomorrow. We don’t know whether we’d be alive tomorrow. And also, it doesn’t matter. No problem. Let it be. So, that’s the way to be. Is it clear?

Speaker: Yes, the question is as well why we keep a mind and why do we need to have a mind…

Mohanji: That’s what I told you.

Speaker: …then the link to the consciousness which is the state of the mind.

Mohanji: Consciousness is not the state of the mind. Consciousness is a factor which remains the same through waking state, dream state, deep sleep state. That is what we call three states, three cities, Tripura. And then we have fourth state. Like for example, you have all the sensors eyes, ears, nose, all those things. Behind that there’s a mind which is experiencing the world through these things, right? Senses cannot function by themselves, they’re part of your body. Right? Mind uses these senses to experience the world outside. Then mind processes it as happiness, sorrow. Two things. This is good for me, this is not good for me.

Now what is consciousness doing? Witnessing this function of the mind while energizing it. So, consciousness is the minor transformer, which is giving the electricity to the mind to experience life. And consciousness has three states but is the same. But in the waking state mind is more than consciousness or you wouldn’t know the consciousness sits. In dream state, mind and consciousness are more or less equal. In the deep sleep state, there’s no mind. Only consciousness. So, in the three states, consciousness is the same consciousness, but you experience it in three states. Right?

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And there’s a fourth state called Turiya state where that state experiences the three states of consciousness as a detached form. Then there is a Turiyatita state beyond that; that is the soul state where the soul witnesses the consciousness witnessing the consciousness in three states and the mind beyond. Very simple. (Laughter)

Q: I was just wanting you to explain something about a Subramaniam aspect of God which we are worshipping here at Skandavale at the moment, specifically for people who might be new to Skandavale and not understand quite what’s going on when they’re looking at this.

Mohanji: Ah, Swami should tell you that. (Laughter). I should not talk about that. I don’t have the licence to tell everything.

(Group laughter)

Mohanji: I will just brief on this.

Subramanya

Shiva has two sons. Shiva probably has other sons but two that we know. Ganesha, represents a supreme consciousness aspect. That is why he has a huge body, elephant head, etc. because rithambara budhi, the intellect, cosmic consciousness is represented by the head of the elephant. That’s the highest or the largest mammal represented. And the huge body represents the created universe. Shiva is supreme consciousness represented by Shivalinga. There’s no way you can worship supreme consciousness which is un-manifested, beyond dimensions. So, the best form the great Rishis thought of is a Shivalinga. That is why you look at all the atomic reservoirs of the world, it’s in the form of Shivalinga, that form can source or store maximum energy without distortion, without a leak, without losing it.

Shivalinga is representing Shiva, a supreme consciousness, formless, and Lord Ganesha as the supreme consciousness, the larger aspect of Shiva. And Lord Muruga is the knowledge aspect. The pure knowledge; not the knowledge like… it is now morning and evening, and stuff like that. Knowledge which is the truth; that is why Subrarmania explained the secret of Omkara to father Shiva. When Shiva had a doubt as to what Omkara is, Subramania (skanda) explained this to Shiva. Why? Because Shiva is Omkara, he doesn’t know what it is. So, Subramania told him this is what you are. That means he’s knowledge incarnate. And also, there is an aspect of warrior. That commander aspect is because, we now talked about all these four people, four thieves. There are many things Kama, Krodha, Lobha, Moha, Mada, Matsarya, etc. All these are enemies of progress. He is fighting against them. Means he is knowledge incarnate. To keep knowledge, you need to ward off ignorance. Kama is what, uncontrolled desires; krodha, anger; matha, pride; matsarya, competition spirit; lobha is lust that you need more and all that. Moha is desire – I want this, I want that; never satisfied. All these things are against knowledge. So, he is the commander, who is protecting you from these enemies. So that you are with pure knowledge. Pure knowledge is the state of Shiva. And Shiva himself as Dakshinamoorthy is another aspect of this knowledge. Dakshinamoorthy is Shiva who is looking south. Where you can see a lot of Rishis around him. And Muruga has been worshipped mostly by the Siddhas; he’s connected to Siddhas. 18 Siddhas and all those people are connected to Muruga.

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Q: So, what I hear from you is that… when we go inside we have in a way or an answer we have, you know, there you are. But they do seem to be meditations, or this kind of best parts seem to come clear to you as you live this life. So, what I have in mind is to be witness with people when they die. And, actually, it was funny  when you were saying with the boat, and crossing, because it’s as if there’s a moment when you come over in the boat from the other side, I never actually go to that other side, but you are somehow a ferryman. And then you, you move into this other place when you, this is what you do. And it feels that as the years have gone on, and then I mean, well just watching, we move here. And there is no hospice right here. Although I don’t actually have an issue with that part of it, but—

Mohanji: You should.

Q (continued): …that as the years have gone on the whole working or being with people as they leave and the people around that has become more and more, a very real meditation and expression in the world we live in now.

Mohanji: You are in the right track. Yeah…

Yes. Every moment is meditation. If you are aware that is it. That is, “Life is meditation”; not sitting in one corner and thinking you are meditating. And the shift of stages at the time of death, is amazing. Because basically it is nothing. Just leaving the body. No big deal. But then the process, where it is connected to attachment, to this body, attachment to things around us, all these things, everything, becomes completely irrelevant. And then you are leaving. That’s exactly what we are talking in the last part. How much you can raise your awareness at this last part, that becomes the flavour of existence of next life. So when you transcend, you move in that zone. That’s why suicide, murder, and all these things are absolutely detrimental. Because the last part of your life, you are on a level of resistance, then the next life starts with resistance. So, we must always be in a level of ecstasy.

You know, if you can leave with a wow, beautiful.

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Speaker continues: And this is what’s happening more and more. It’s a way that I lived many years in India. And of course, in India years ago, in the 70s, if there was a dead body, then you actually didn’t go near it, and you didn’t touch it. And sometimes that could be very shocking. But even India also is changing in the way that…I guess that last moment, for even, for people that maybe haven’t so much meditated, can be a leap. And I don’t know, this just seems like…

Mohanji: That’s why, I don’t know about now much. But earlier, it was they light only one lamp in the place. So that the person who’s leaving connect to only one flame and there’s no distortion. When you’re connected to a flame, and the flame is going up, and then you’re connected to brightness. Plus, the chanting will be a scripture or something like Sahasranama, so that in that vibration provided through chanting, they leave.

A story about calling the name of the Lord

There is a story of one guy who was very selfish in life. And he hated Gods; he was an atheist. And he hated his children also because they were squandering his money. Then he named them the name of Gods, because then he can remember them more. Because those whom you hate you remember more, right? (Laughter).

One day he was lying down to die, and the lord of death came. It was a very fearsome point, because all that he earned all his life is going. Going to whose hands? To those he hates, his children. So, he wanted to scare his children, he called Narayana, Narayana. His son’s name was Narayana. He called Narayana to witness the lord of death, because he was scared. And when he called Narayana, Narayana, the lord of death left, because he called the deity. So, he survived. Then he was wondering, “How did I survive?” Because he called the name of the Lord at the time of death; Lord Vishnu.

These kinds of stories are there, that say the right names should be uttered at the time of death. But that has to be cultivated over time. You have to practise it. Otherwise, it won’t come at that time. Only think about electricity bill, water bill, credit card, cheques you have signed, and so on. That’s not good enough. You are thinking of practice, right?

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Q: Leading on from that question prompted me to ask another question. The couple of deaths that we’ve experienced here in hospice, or here in Skandavale. It’s been either when what I perceive to be the soul leaving, or after a person has died. The vibration is beautiful. The two of them. Absolutely.

Mohanji: Stillness…

Q (continued): And yeah, and love and beautiful, and especially, you know, special, like you’ve walked into a temple, but you’ve walked into a room with a dead body. But that person is not long left. Actually, somehow you can feel that, that if they’re still there. And I was wondering, what is that feeling? Is that the soul leaving?

Mohanji: Normally, they only leave the body after 13 days. They hang on with other sheaths: the body sheath is the food sheath, then pranic sheath, the pranic layer; then it’s mind sheath, knowledge sheath, bliss sheath, and then the soul. Soul is in the middle and all other sheaths are around it. And that stays except the body, physical body. And they hang on for approximately 13 days.

Speaker: In the same place?

Mohanji: No not necessarily. That’s why in some of the places they keep food for them after they die. Everybody eats, they can also  see but they can’t eat and they don’t have the body but everything else.

Speaker: When one of our sister’s was dying, and I know a few people experienced it, it was as if she hadn’t died. But it felt, I don’t know if this was that the soul was leaving the body, but it was dancing. It was so joyful. It was bliss.

Mohanji: Yeah, when your connection to, or when your ownership levels are less, the moment of leaving the body is beautiful. Because you feel such a relief.

Speaker: That’s what it felt like as well. I’d like to say maybe she didn’t die.

Mohanji: In fact, you know, most of us experience this during the deep sleep state. We get out of the body peacefully and then we enter, some people have that remembrances. People have written about it, that they had an ecstatic state, the same state and there’s a quick rewinding of the major events of life and then it’s stillness, and then it’s peaceful. Shanthi. Perpetual.

Speaker: That bliss is…?

Mohanji: That’s your state. If you have another incarnation to make, then you go ahead with your work. But that transition,  it can be beautiful but that’s where you need to connect to something larger, bigger.

Speaker: …and many people have done that in their life time?

Mohanji: Yeah, yeah. For example, connecting to one object like Lord Krishna or Muruga or one deity all the time, chanting, then that consciousness automatically raises to that level, and it will be an ecstasy to go. And otherwise, connecting to a very powerful master, same thing. Whichever frequency you connect to, that helps you to go out and that energy stays in that same way.

 

Q: But what about people who haven’t had any connection or seemingly any connection to spirituality?

Mohanji:  No, but, it’s not just one life, right? It’s a continuation. What they have done in past to reach here, that person doesn’t know. In this life what they have done, probably they will know. And most of the activities may be unconscious; they don’t know what they are doing. But what brought them to this frequency, they may not know. It’s a continuation. Each life is like a page. You shift the page, another life, then it becomes the full book.

Speaker: And you said you do a quick rewind.

Mohanji: That’s each life.

Q: That’s only for that life, you won’t see the other life?

Mohanji: No, because you don’t see those lives now. You don’t see your past life now. That’s rewounded, then you go to astral plane, then you rework that, and you say okay, this is what you wanted to experience and this is what you have to experience, pending desires, then you take an incarnation. That’s why I said the USB is removed from the laptop, and USB contains your pending desires and your memories collectively. So that includes your connection, relationship, character, etc. Sometimes character also evolves over time. Character, desires, memories – these come together and then the sheaths (koshas) carry these and go, and then the USB is put into the next body and restarted. Then you bring back all this.

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But again, as I said, between a death and a birth there is a shift happening as well. That each page is not that you’re just starting in that frequency but at the evolution, with your awareness, the awareness can evolve and then it comes back to another body differently. So, what you miss most in this life becomes the predominant agenda in the next life. That’s why don’t miss much in this life. Because that becomes a pending desire, agenda, thing to do. When you sum up or you configure your existence of the next life, that will come up as a top thing to do. Like we have our daily agenda: this I must complete today, this can be done later. Like that, and thus, the whole lifetimes are defined. That’s why, masters like Shirdi Baba say you have come to me. Now let me reduce your number of lifetimes. You know, imagine this is to be laid out over 50 lifetimes, let’s make it 20. That way you reduce the total. That’s what great masters do.  They shrink it. So that your merger becomes faster. That’s why it’s the interest of every master that you liberate yourself as fast as possible. And in the interest of soul is to liberate as well, as fast as possible. And even the information, the pattern, the roadmap, that comes only with the right eligibility, otherwise, you won’t get that. You won’t even think that. I mean, many people don’t even think beyond the mind or the gratifications, they don’t even think of a beyond state. Forget about death state. Death is a fear for many people. Death means big problem. One of the greatest fears is the fear of death. I’ve seen that even in spiritually high people. Towards the end they become very jittery. ‘Oh, I may die’. Very good. (Laughter).

But I’ve seen that and sometimes it surprises me. What’s the big deal? However, that remnant of fear sometimes exists without knowing. Not that you store it, but somehow the fear of death comes. It could be also collected, it could be acquired, maybe it is not yours. It can be that you have seen so many people’s trauma of dying, and you may get that impulse into your system, and then you think it’s yours. You wouldn’t remember that it is not original and you forget. For example, there’s some dirt on your body and you forgot to take a bath or wash it away, it stays, right? Like that, you collected from the nature and that has stayed on and then it stays. And at the time of death you have that fear.

Q: In your book Power of Purity you said playing video games especially violent ones and watching violent films or any films, reading newspapers your subconscious takes that on, and doesn’t differentiate between whether you’ve actually committed the act or whether…

Mohanji: Yes. Whatever your conscious mind dwells or subconscious think it’s real.

Speaker: And so, then you said karmically you have to live that out?

Mohanji: Not necessarily. That becomes your flavour, or part of your system. Whatever you consume, enters your system. Similarly, all inputs have effect in the system. Subconscious mind doesn’t know whether you’re actually doing it. When the conscious mind is working on it, subconscious believes that this is real, so it just stores it.

Speaker: So if you’re kind of killing people in a video game, your subconscious thinks…

Mohanji: …thinks it’s actually happening. That’s why I was talking about soap opera. The victimization of people,  very bad people, and people only thinking bad, how to harm other people. When you constantly dwell in that kind of energy, subconscious believes this is what you like. So it creates a life for this, to have this kind of things – emotions, etc.

Speaker: So, it’s not something you have to live out…

Mohanji: Not necessarily, you can go beyond it. If you raise your awareness beyond it all, this becomes insignificant. Yeah, but will you stay there? Because mind likes gravitation quite a lot. Mind likes to come to the lower frequency, we call it gratification. So if we stay beyond it all, it’s very good.

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Q: I just wondering how do we increase will power so that we can become a bit more master over ourselves?

Mohanji: Laughter J. Iccha shakti, will power – center of heart. Jnana shakti – third eye. Kriya shakti – navel. Three shaktis: Iccha shakti, Jnana shakti and Kriya shakti. Three aspects of Shakti. It’s center of heart. If you concentrate on that and chant and…

The main thing which is against the Iccha shakti is tamas, inertia, like laziness, “Okay, I will do it later,” like that. That has to be countered by positive action; action as well as chanting on heart center. Close your heart and chant whatever, any chanting inside the heart centre. This is the place for the Kriya Shakti, action. Sometimes people become lazy. ‘I must go for jogging; okay, tomorrow! Then the day after…’ and then we pay somebody to jog for us.

(Laughter)

There’s a video of one guy who’s got a treadmill; he’s sitting on a chair with a beer and doing it… it’s the height of laziness. Very bad Kriya shakti.

(Laughter)

But understand one thing. It’s never constant. It can never be constant in human existence. It’s always waves. Vivekananda says this, “Life is all waves. Sometimes high, sometimes low. Our ability to accept these highs and lows is very important.” Watch your own life, it can never be constant, right? “I’m inspired all the time” – never happens. It’s not possible because we have a lot of factors connecting to it. So, it has to be high; it has to be low. Our ability to flow through like a wave rider, that is how we become successful. Not that you’re always on low and always on high; it is guaranteed not possible. Maybe when we are sitting and meditating in a cave in Himalayas… still there will be highs and lows.  “Today I don’t want to meditate. I am catching mosquitoes”.

(Laughter). Anything is possible.

We must accept realities as it is. When it is high, understand “I do maximum.” When it is low, “Okay, now this is low, nothing is working, slow down.” It’s like the road is bumpy. But you really want to drive in 120 km/h, is it possible or not? Not possible. You have to drive as per the road. But later the road becomes good, the nice open road, then drive. That flexibility or adaptability is more important than the highs and lows. Recognizing highs and lows is good, “Now I’m very productive,” do your best. “Now I’m not productive,” then “Okay, I slow down, I work on it.” But keep walking. I mean, don’t just sit there, you slowly move. Even 1 km/h speed is also a speed, right?

Speaker: Sometimes you feel like, “Oh yeah, I’m on a good road, doing things well, and then sometimes, it’s like mmehh…oh, why…”

Mohanji: That’s how it is. 7.5 billion people will tell you this is how it is. This is how the whole creation has this thing. Because we are playing duality. This is the drama, we are playing the duality, there’s an up and there’s a down. if there’s no up or down, there’s no duality. So in this duality, there is dark and bright, up and down, high and low. It’s all part of duality. And that flexibility and adaptability makes us successful. Never judge ourselves, then you will not judge other people. Right? And do not criticize yourself. Because we tend to compare with other people and we say we are not good enough. What happens is, even if you have an opportunity for full actualization, because your opinion about you is not so good, you will deny it. This is the problem. Then you take a lifetime to correct. Do you understand what I’m saying?

When you when you judge yourself or criticize yourself, you deny an experience also, without your knowledge. Imagine you have a potential for a really great experience in this life, but you say, “Oh, I’m not Mohanji, I can’t do this or something like that.” And then even if you can achieve it, you will deny it. At the end of the day, who loses? You will lose.

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That is why Lord Ram went 14 years in the forest. He was in Avatar, he could have just shot an arrow from Ayodhya all the way to Sri Lanka, killed Ravana and brought his… he would have probably even prevented Sita from being kidnapped. An Avatar! But he went through the whole process. He took the help of the monkey squad and everybody, everything because he had to demonstrate how an ordinary man should handle life. That’s why. He did not present himself as an Avatar. He presented himself as an ordinary man for the sake of us. Otherwise, there’ll be no Ramayana, maybe only two lights or something.

(Laughter)

Or… He came to kill the demon, so he sat and shot an arrow. Finished.

(Laughter)

Whole chapters are not needed.

Furthermore, have you ever observed why Hanumanji is so powerful, and there’s so much worship, there are so many temples of Hanuman. So many temples. He is worshipped much more than Ram, there are more Hanuman temples. That is because Hanuman’s only object of worship was Ram. Totally integrated into Ram. And these Ashta siddhis (the 8 siddhis) and Nava nidhis (9 nidhis), again all the types of wealth were originally Ram’s. When you’re deeply integrated into a consciousness, which is very powerful, you have all those powers. Hanuman was deeply connected to Ram, unmistakably connected, all the time thinking about Ram, only Ram. And then what happened, he had all the powers of Ram.  The supreme consciousness, Ram is supreme consciousness. So he was constantly integrated into Ram, and he had all the powers. Another way of diffusing the ups and downs, stay connected, deeply integrated, and you experience the supreme consciousness all the time and then you will not judge because “I don’t exist, only he exists”, right? Hanumanji was not an ordinary man, he was a very, very powerful master. He was a great master. He said, “I prefer to be your servant in this existence, I prefer to serve you. Your wish is my command.” Then he said, “My body is always at your feet, to serve you. And let me be like this.” Then third thing he said, “But consciousness wise, you and I are one. Let’s play the role.” Pure awareness, right? Perfect awareness. I am not separate from you, but I prefer to play this role. So I’m outside of you, I can serve you. So it’s easier for me to integrate. Perfect bhakti yoga (bhakti-devotion).

It’s all for demonstrating the aspects of existence. That clearly states that these are possibilities. When you clearly know these possibilities, there’s no way you can be deviated. And as I said earlier, what you should choose is what suits you. What you can practise without effort, that suits you. What you practise with effort is not yours. Understand, you will drop it someday. You will want to wear a dress which fits your body. If it is three times larger or three times shorter, it’s difficult, somehow even if you fit in, you will not like it. Yes, please.

Q: Just one last question. What is actually the purpose of life?

Mohanji: Experiences, what you’re experiencing every moment. That’s it. it’s a moment to moment experience. Purpose of life for everybody is that even if it is a bird or an animal, that moment is the purpose and we have no idea about the next moments. Each moment’s experience is our purpose.

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Q: Why is some of the experiences bad or good?

Mohanji: It does not matter, they are all experiences. That discrimination happens only in the waking state of mind. Mind tells this is good, this is bad. And that’s sometimes or mostly connected to expectations. I expect to be successful every time. But if success doesn’t happen the way I want I reject it. Then we say some, “It’s a bad experience,” things like that. So it’s all connected to the mind. Experiences are experiences. We decided and always, there’s no guarantee that an experience which we term bad is always bad.

A story – Bad is not always bad

There was a king who caught one of his favourite ministers and chopped his finger saying that he had been stealing. The minister was very sad because he hadn’t been stealing. Later on he was caught by tantric people who chop the head, bali, as human sacrifice. They wanted somebody and they caught him, but he had no finger, so they let him go. Because they said, “You are not perfect, your finger is missing.” Then he understood that the finger lost is better than the head lost.

(Group laughter)

So we do not know, sometimes some of the experiences which we call bad, are not always bad, we need to read the full story to understand.

Q: In common with a lot of people, I’m sure. Sometimes you get to a certain point, and you become very aware of a long period of time, some pattern of activities has been governing your life, certain habits, some mentality, your aspirations remain out there, not where they should be. And I was wondering if you could shed some light on how to break down pattern other than diet, (laughter) presumably one way of doing without going to that extreme. You’re trying to turn everything upside down or bring yourself out of that in a dramatic way.

Mohanji: I’ll tell you the nativity of it.

How does a repetitive thing come in life? Not even an activity?

There are patterns in relationships, patterns in money situations, patterns in jobs, we experience so many patterns in normal life. Where do they come from? They come from deep impressions.

For example, imagine that you have been travelling a path of pathless, like an aghori. One thing happens today, a totally different thing happens tomorrow, there is nothing settling. Everything is flowing, flowing in the sense, there is no system.

Then what would be your greatest interest?

To have a system. That would be your priority or top priority, “I must have a system functioning, there is a predictability.” When we dwell too much into unpredictable paths, we will crave for predictability. And then if it didn’t happen in that life, next life will have predictability pattern as a main theme. So, the path will be all predictable. But then predictability also brings monotony. Because you can predict every moment. So it brings monotony, when it brings monotony, you say, “This is crazy, I can’t have monotony, how do we come out of this?”

Thus in this war between unpredictability, an unpredictable path, like the path of Shiva, path of pathless, path of Datta, the way you travel, that’s the path and Avadhoota state, state of Avadhoota, where rain or sun, good or bad, it’s all the same to a state where there is some kind of a pattern. So when that is travel, mind will crave for a pattern. When a pattern happens, we have monotony connected to it, it’s always connected to the mind which expects.

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What is the best way to overcome that mind?

Awareness. Awareness beyond it. Beyond this activity, there is a growth and growth is in awareness. There are so many things probably you never wanted or they were fringes, they were not really sufficient to integrate into a life. If it was sufficient to integrate into your life, it would have happened before taking birth. So, if it is not integrated into life, in this pattern, this was not so important in the original planning. Then, if a pattern is happening, this pattern is actually what is chosen. When you resist the pattern, it stays. When you say, “Okay, this is the pattern happening, no problem.”

A story of a Buddhist monk

There was a Buddhist monk who was giving lectures, and a lot of people respected him. One day, one girl became pregnant in this village. And she said this monk was the father. Everybody came, bet him up. Tore his house to pieces, etc, and brought the woman and gave it to him saying, “You must look after this woman because you made her pregnant.” He didn’t say anything. And then the child was delivered, he was looking after the child and he never said anything, yes or no or anything. After eight years or nine years, this girl started feeling very guilty. She saw his love and kindness and he was looking after them as ever, I mean, as perfectly as possible.

And then she told the village, “You know, actually this guy is not the father. The father of the child ran away. And I did not want to tell this to you to people because I was ashamed that I would be ostracized, that I would be expelled. That’s why I told his name.”

Then they came to the monk to apologize, “We are very sorry that we did not understand.”

“No, it’s okay. No problem,” he answered.

Then, there was no nothing from him. His awareness was above every activity below. Nothing touched him and he was just floating and he was in a state of bliss and all these activities was happening. No expectation of only glory, no expectation of only scandal or slander, no expectation. So what happens is your awareness is above everything and these patterns die by themselves. Because patterns lose their importance as well. If there is an activity, “Okay, I’ll do this activity,” from moment to moment. Moreover, other things do not enter either. Because there’s no “This is not good, then another thing should…” So the replacing doesn’t happen. Replacement sometimes means and the life. If you can’t replace something in this life, it automatically means another life. That means you’re ensuring another rebirth. That also will not happen. Because your awareness is above. And this routine is giving you more and more and more stability and you are dissolved.

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That’s the way to overcome every situation, whether it is a monastic order or actual life. When you see from above, all the things happening, like we said, there are no good or bad, everything is happening and you’re watching it and it’s all happening, it’s flowing. And you’re not binding to it. You’re not even taking ownership. Like this girl said this guy was the father, he didn’t know. And people thought it was true, because he didn’t say that. Nor did he care. Later on when the girl said this was not the father, again he did not say anything. Why? For 8 years you looked after the child and the mother and you did not say anything? He kept quiet. Then they understood that he was a powerful Master. So it sometimes takes time.

Why I said this story is because we have every chance to keep our awareness here (he puts his hand high up). It doesn’t have to be here (he lowers his hand down). When it is here (at that low level), we always have opinions. We maintain the patterns. Because we resist. Maintenance is equal to resistance. We have objection, like human relationship. I don’t like this person, so I keep resisting, that person is always with me. It happened, right?

(Laughter)

We get married like that.

(Laughter)

Not my marriage…

(Laughter)

I put my hand in fire.

(More laughter)

That that’s the way it is. So it’s all about awareness. One word, awareness. Acceptance and awareness are two things which are absolutely fundamental for high speed growth and evolution. Acceptance is to yourself. It doesn’t matter whether you accept other people or the world. Because if you don’t accept yourself, you can’t accept the world. World is your reflection. So every bit of acceptance is to yourself as a full incarnation. Then awareness, awareness, that everything happens will also pass, nothing is yours. Even the body, everything comes and goes. Then this other resistance and other things will automatically vanish. In this life. This is the flow so be it.

Speaker: Does worship of God, let’s say in the form of Dattatreya or doesn’t matter which god, is that the key part of achieving that awareness?

Mohanji: Yes, worship is equal..

Speaker: That is our way of life. That is that process which is happening.

Mohanji: Yeah, worship is integration. Worship means you’re connecting to an idol. Idol is never an idol as it is, it’s an ideal. You know, an idol represents an ideal. Ideal is a state. The state of a master is represented by the form of a master. That is why I said, Mohanji is not the body, Mohanji is a state which is connecting to people. When you’re connecting to the ideal, then you are surrendering to that ideal. Why do we worship different deities? People have different tastes, and why because that ideal suits us. It’s suitable for us, for us to connect and integrate. Like in various places, there are different plug points, different types, so every plug will not accept every socket. You have to sometimes use converters. Here, I’m talking about no converters. The right plug and the right socket.

So you integrate to Bhagwan Ranganatha, or Bhagwan Dattatreya and the integration is equal to surrender. That’s what Hanumanji story I said, I don’t exist, he exists. I exist as his servant, means basically, I have no existence. I don’t need existence. A true disciple is almost like the shadow of the guru. When the guru moves the shadow moves. This is how it works. True, true disciple. There are hardly true disciples today, because people even judge the guru, “The guru should not look like this. He should…” They have opinions. Then all these opinions and doubts segregate. It is opposite of integration. That’s why it takes time. Then when you disintegrate, or you are separate from the truth or the master, you have all the effects. Everything hits you directly, all the pleasures, all the pains, all the phobias, concepts, doubts, everything hits you. Here if you are integrated to the guru, the shield is always there. Nothing hits you. So when you worship Ranganatha, you are Ranganatha. Always remember, there’s no separation. When you’re worshiping Ranganatha, you’re worshiping yourself. When you’re worshiping Datta, you are Datta and that idol is your representation. In that mode integration is just, like a matter of time, a very fast process. It happens very rapidly.

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Mohanji: Yes, please. Yeah.

Speaker: Namaste.

Mohanji: Namaste.

Q: Since we’re talking about this mind and matter, I’ve got one question, suppose the attachment of ones in other’s minds, can that mind be degraded, on upgraded?

Mohanji: If the attachment is from the other person to you, rather than you from other person…

Q (continued): Well, suppose he’s got a high level of mind, he’s attached to some kind of devotion, or he is on the super value, and the attachment of that person to other person can degrade him or upgrade him?

Mohanji: Neither. Neither in fact.

Speaker: The reason I’m saying is that say that attachment of the mother to the son, or the attachment of the devotee to another devotee or to the lord or the master can move him from one place to another place or it will be in the same place?

Mohanji: See, fundamentally, attachment is connected to relative truth, it’s not permanent. We have seen people very deeply connected, and then later bitter enemies, or bitter enemies coming together. So everything is in a relative basis. We cannot say that this stays forever, another one stays forever, we cannot say. In addition, we can’t determine high or low, because somebody who’s deeply connected to the Supreme consciousness, whatever other people think, it will hit them, but it will not be enough to bring them down.

Somebody who’s very deeply connected like a Buddha, for example, who had one focus. He wanted to attain liberation. And his focus was that – he left his family, he did everything to attain that. Many people told him, “You made a big mistake, you should not have done that…” Even after enlightenment he was told that. But nothing moved, because what he wanted with the life with the original agenda, we talked about the prarabhda, part of the karma, which brought forth this existence, the original karma is powerful enough to take you through. In between all the other, the people, the relative experiences, the people coming in life, people going, their opinions, their likes and dislikes, they are all having only complimenting or contradicting whatever it is, as a flavour. Like your ice cream is one, you add strawberry and it becomes strawberry, add chocolate, it becomes chocolate like that. It’s a flow, life is one flow. In the flow of life, all these are relative experiences, nothing is permanent.

Speaker: Yeah, but as you say that in so in in the past, and we have we have seen so many places where the God has to come down to Earth to fulfil the wish of a devotee. In that sense, if you’re saying that is not true…

Mohanji: No, no, that is completely different, right?

Speaker: That is attachment as well.

Mohanji: No, that is a different thing. Devotion matures into oneness. See, when this attachment is what you asked earlier, through emotions between people etc. when you are deeply connected…

Speaker: Sorry, when I said, I said what one’s mind here, if you put one mind to another mind, can that mind be degraded or upgraded.

Mohanji: It depends actually. The state of mind itself is temporary. And the mind we are talking about is only operation during waking state, only when you are awake. In dream state it is not the same mind. In deep sleep, it’s not the same mind. So we’re talking about the waking state mind connection. Is that right or wrong?

Speaker: So if you keep on thinking of the same, the mind is always on the same thing all the time.

Mohanji: Yeah. When are you thinking?

Speaker: In deep sleep you are thinking the same thing, if you are awake you are still thinking the same thing.

Mohanji: How do you know that you’re thinking in deep sleep?

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Speaker: Because you can’t sleep because of that…

Mohanji: Then you are not in deep sleep. It is not deep sleep, it is sleeplessness. Then that’s a waking state.

Speaker: It is not waking state I am talking about.

Mohanji: No, no, no, I’m countering you. No, you want to argue with me?

Speaker: I do not argue with you.

Mohanji: No, no, no, no, in this intellectual thing, I don’t normally engage. Because this is very simple. You’re talking about waking state mind, temporary, dwelling on relative stuff. Correct? Whether I connect with your mind, or you connect with my mind, it is two minds connecting. How long? How long will it connect? It has a duration, right? And this duration is already defined in that life. Some people stay connected longer, some people do not connect longer. Now we have three states. In dream state, you definitely cannot connect to that person. You say you are not sleeping because of another person. For example, you fell in love, all the time thinking about the lover. You don’t sleep, because sleep is not important. Thinking is important. That is not a dream state or a deep sleep state. That’s a waking state, extended waking state. Correct? In that mode, in that intensity, there is an influence between two people, for sure. There has to be connection.

Now second point you asked about is the devotee and God. In devotion, when it overflows, the devotee doesn’t exist. That’s exactly the thing I talked about Hanumanji, Hanumanji and Ram. Hanumanji had existence without Ram. His mind was filled with Ram and Ram has to come down because what Lord Krishna said, “My only weakness is my devotee. When somebody connects to me with heart and soul, I have to come.” That is a different thing. Then the devotee dissolves into the lord, bhakti yoga, height of bhakti yoga. That and two lovers’ relationship are different. That is why I said it’s different things we are talking about. We can argue about this forever. But if you understand this, ask me specifically what exactly you want to know.

Speaker: I want to know when there are two minds, if somebody can degrade another person from his own state.

Mohanji: Only if you allow it. That is why I said earlier, people talk about other people to me. When they start, I say, “Are you talking about this person? Keep this with yourself, you worked hard to get this information, I don’t want to know.” I prevent that information from entering my field so that I remain pure. This is our job. Imagine in your house, who will you welcome? Somebody who’s compatible. Do you think you’ll bring him in somebody who’s going to come and make a mess of the house? So it’s our choice to bring some people into our mind or their thoughts into our mind. It’s our choice. And we should keep our mind pure. Prevention is better than cure. It’s important. Nobody can just walk and make a mess, unless we permit it. It’s definitely our choice. You have another question, ask.

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Q: The thing is that, what you’re saying, I agree with you about our house, but what I’m saying is that, is it possible to bring somebody to your own wish?

Mohanji: Why?

Speaker: I am asking.

Mohanji: We should not try. In fact, nope, I would like to see everybody as powerful as themselves, not as me. Because all the all the expressions you see here are independent creations, original, authentic, why should I expect anybody to be like me? I have all the weaknesses and strengths of everybody and they all have the same, I would like them to actualize into something higher, not become me. We shouldn’t even think that. That is what Hitler thought, “I make men in my own image or I destroy them.” That’s a “beautiful” theory.

Speaker: Most of the people want to be like you.

Mohanji: No, that’s ideological thinking. Somebody wrote to me, “I look at you as a perfect human being,” I said, you’re completely mistaken.

(Laughter)

I said, I have all the weaknesses and all the strengths of everybody. Because when you become not a one, one unit, you are everything, so you contain everything. What I mean to say is that we don’t have to have boundaries. First of all, we are not like that. We are not supposed to be in cages. Main cage is our own mind. Right? Our actualization is our birth right and you are actualized by birth. Only this mind factor, which is analysing and trying to assimilate, is delaying the process. Instead be natural, “I am fine.” And from this acceptance you have to grow to the highest level. That’s why true Masters create other Masters, the different Masters, not more followers. When you have more followers, it’s your burden. But if there are more Masters, it’s beauty in the world. True Masters should guide others to become completely fully expanded and fully like bright suns. So they’ll be brightness in the world, I believe this is the right path.

Q: So on how would you say one’s mother who has got attachment to the son, to relieve how you can separate and advise the mother not to have that attachment, so the son can progress further? How you can explain that?

Mohanji: You know, there are two things one is attachment, the other is ownership. Now you’re talking about ownership. As for attachment, look at every being, a bird or an animal or every being, every mother will have an attachment to the child. This is the way of nature, nature created that. Because this is part of nurturing. Now ownership is ignorance, ownership is part of it, “This child, I own this child.” Nobody owns anybody. So what happens? Through awareness, it doesn’t happen. Because after a while it should happen that the child grows up and then it’s on its own feet and things like that. And then if the child has to still support the parents, there should be freedom. The freedom should be there. If there’s no freedom, there’s no support. That’s why if the ownership becomes too much, ownership, possessiveness, control, binding, etc. happens, they’re put into old age homes. That’s why we have so many old age homes, because they don’t know what to do with parents. So they say, “I am busy, mother, I will come and see you when I have time.” The system is created in that way, because the whole education system has given insecurity to the world. Has the education system given freedom? It is not even teaching freedom. A true teaching is that a child is independent, individual, original, authentic that’s it, but we don’t allow the child to be like that. When I was in school, the teacher said I was retarded. Because the question, “What do you want to do when you grow up?” I answered, “I would like to be alone.” And teacher said, “This boy can’t come to study.” No, everybody wants to be an engineer, a doctor, a pilot, all sorts of things, I didn’t want to be anything. So this is the criteria, the benchmark. Well, that’s all very complicated to talk about because the whole system is moving in that direction. Yeah, but don’t confuse between ownership and attachment. See a child should be connected to mother, mother should be connected to a child that’s natural. But when you have ownership and possessiveness, it is unnatural. These two are different things. That leads to problems.

Mohanji: We have the Pooja, so shall we wind up?

Group: Thank you very much.

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Transcribed by Kishore Mundanat
Proofread by Arvind Ananthan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Skanda Vale Satsang – Part 1

In summer 2018, Mohanji visited Skanda Vale ashram in the UK. On 17th August, he did Prana Pratishta to the first idol of Lord Dattatreya in Europe (download discourse – mp3 ) and to Nagaraja murti as well.(download discourse – mp3 ).

Here is the satsang he conducted afterwards.
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Q: My question is about nature. Dattatreya is nature. During his time, many thousands of years ago, people would have been nature-worshippers. I want to know whether there is any resurgence of that or a need for resurgence of that type of connection.

Mohanji: I would put it as going back home. If you look at all the Vedas, the Sun is worshipped in three aspects. We say

Brahma swarupaya suryaya namaha

which means Sun as Brahma. Because of the Sun’s rays, life happens.

Vishnu swarupaya suryaya namaha

That means the maintenance and sustenance of life is sustained by Sun’s energy.

Rudra swarupaya suryaya namaha

That means whatever is finished, completed, or what gets dissolved or recycled is because of the Sun’s rays.

So our connection to the Sun is most natural, it is the most realistic. What other thing is more realistic than the sun? Likewise, nature and we are the same. What you see as nature are the elements: earth, water, air, fire, space. We are the same. We are a conglomeration of all these this.

Datta represents nature. When somebody asked him, “Who are you?” He just said, “I am a worshipper of nature. I am nature.” Datta is a reminder. Look at him as a mirror. When you look into Datta, what you see is nature. You are also a conglomeration of elements. When we die and leave the body, the body disintegrates into elemental form. This recycling is happening. The soul aspect plus the sheaths, including desires, memories, etc., travel out. The body is left behind. We always had that clarity. As original human beings we had that clarity. Of course, we have had various trials and errors to know who we are. That’s because the mind is in the middle. You have to convince the mind that there is a problem, but that’s part of our existence. We need to make the mind happy to go further. It’s like when Hanumanji was crossing the ocean to reach Lanka to find Sita. There was a huge demon in the middle who was taking care of the ocean. It means that part of the ocean belonged to her. She said, “Nobody goes this way. I eat them.” Hanumanji said, “I must go. There’s no other way.” Then she said, “Ok, I’ll keep my mouth open” and he said “I’ll enter”. So he entered in the form of a mosquito. He entered and exited quite fast. By the time she closed her mouth, he was gone.

Audience: (laughter)

Mohanji: Like that, the mind is like a huge mouth. We have to find some way to enter and also to exit. Then the nature is the best connection for it. Always a reminder that I am the nature. I am nature.

Nature has two aspects for human understanding. One is that you have brought a nature. You have a nature which contains likes and dislikes, your flavours, expressions. We all have unique flavours. That’s what we are expressing into the world. It’s not the same as anyone else’s. It could be similar, but it’s not the same. Our expression comes out of our nature i.e. what we are as a constitution which is the mind, body, intellect, ego, spirit. With this constitution we express into this world. This is also part of the nature. Again, the highest expression is Datta, that’s again a reminder that compassion, kindness, unconditional love – all these are the highest expressions possible of this life. Anger, hatred, jealousy, revenge, are the lowest. We choose to express higher and that becomes our highest expression of our nature.

Nature outside is the elements. We are built out of it. We came out of it and we go back to it. Just like the way sound comes out of silence and goes back into silence. The nature of consciousness is silence. Every sound, every creation comes out of it. It emerges, exists for some time and dissolves, just like every sound. It appears, stays and goes back. Everything is like that. This is the core of Vedas. The Upanishads were explanations to it on the intellectual side – intellectual understanding of life and the operations of life. The Upanishads, the Vedantas are the scriptural aspects. All these are interconnected.

So there is Datta Upanishad. Avadhoota Geeta is Dattatreya’s teachings.  His core teaching is : Be nature, be the flow.

Be nature, be the flow. So if you are constantly aware of your nature meaning , your qualities, your personality, that itself will give you peace of mind. So, understanding our nature is very vital for progress. Then we will not compare ourselves with another person. We will not have comparisons, we will not have any kind of conflicts, because all are expressing their own nature. And that’s exactly what world wanted. Different natures, and diversity of life forms. So that’s what we want.

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Q: Earlier today you were chanting something to sister Gemma. Is there a possibility to explain it for us?

Mohanji: It is called Shiva Tandava Stotram. I don’t remember the whole lyrics, I just chanted only the first three stanzas. I think you know the story of Ravana of Ramayana. The one who kidnapped Sita and then Rama went to rescue her. Sister Gemma was talking about it. Yesterday the priest was chanting something which was so beautiful and powerful. So I said some of the chants which are original cannot have other versions of them. People have tried their best to compose another Tandava but they couldn’t. The great poets broke their heads over this and still nothing happened. So that’s the story. I think you know the story, right? Should I repeat it?

Audience: We love stories… (Laughter)

Mohanji: As Ravana was coming out of the house, he saw his mother worshipping the Shivalinga. Then he asked his mother,

“What are you worshipping?”

His mother said, “This is the Shivalinga.”

Ravana asked, “What does that represent?”

She said, “Kailash.”

“Is that so? Why are you representing an imitation? I will bring the real Kailash to you.”

Ravana always loved to have all the best things of the world in his yard. So he went to Kailash. He was a very strong man, and he put his hand underneath it and tried to lift it. Shiva put His toe on top of Kailash. All his fingers got trapped beneath and it was tremendously painful. He couldn’t let go either, because hands were underneath. And Shiva waited. Shiva is not busy. (Laughter).

So with His toe, He pressed Kailash on Ravana’s feet and waited. Ravana started crying.

(Laughter)

Then he chanted this:

“Jatatavigalajjala pravaahapavitasthale

Galey valambya lambitaam bhujangatungamalikaam

Damad damad damaddama ninaadavadamarvayam

Chakaara chandataandavam tanotu nah shivah shivam.’’

Anybody knows this? (Laughter)

He chanted this and it was amazingly powerful, describing Tandava of Shiva and its various dimensions. Shiva became very happy. He didn’t give Kailash away. But he asked, “What do you want? What can I give you?” So Ravana said, “I actually came for Kailash, but you will not give it.” (Laughter). “My mother worships Shivalinga.”

Shiva then took a part of His soul out and created a linga and gave it to him. And just imagine part of the soul of Shiva going as Shivalinga. All the gods and goddesses became afraid. If Ravana took it to Lanka he would become supremely powerful, because if you give a weapon to somebody who knows how to use it, he will use it. So they were worried.

They told Lord Ganesha, “You must do something before this guy reaches there, we must catch him.”

Lord Ganesha waited on the way, where he was going with this Atmalinga and he told Ravana ,”You have not done your evening pujas. You forgot.”

Ravana said, “I have no time. I can’t do it. I am busy.”

So Ganesha said, “Just imagine how much bad energy you will be creating because you are not worshipping enough.”

Ravana said, “Forget it. And now I am going and solving this matter (of taking Atmalinga to his mother). What’s the big deal?”

Ganesha replied, “You should actually do your sandhyavandana, evening prayers.”

Ravana said, “But you know, I’m carrying something precious and I can’t put it on the ground. Shiva has told me, ‘If you put the Shivalinga on the ground, then you won’t be able to pick it up anymore. It stays there.’ So I can’t put it on the ground.”

Ganesha said, “I will hold it for you.”

Ganesha had chosen to appear as a retarded child, and that appearance was a bit of comfort for Ravana. A very smart child would have been a problem. This was a retarded child so there was no problem to give it the Shivalinga. Ravana told the child, “Okay you keep it. Don’t put it on the ground. I’m going to take a bath. After my puja, I’ll come back and pick it up.

The child said, “No problem – you go. I have no work.”

And as soon as Ravana went to take a dip, Ganesha put the Shivalinga on the ground and today that is the Shivalinga at Gokarna. When Ravana came back after the worship, he found that the Shivalinga was lost. Then he tried to beat the child, but what to do? It was too late. So he couldn’t take the Shivalinga to Lanka.

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This is a story and the point we were discussing is that some of the chants do not have another version or duplicate. You can’t – you can even make it in that meter in that rhythm.

It’s amazing. I don’t know the full lyrics. I used to know them, but what happened is when I chant, something happens outside. (Laughter) So I stop chanting. It creates that frequency, the vibration and immediately after having started, it gets reflected. Thus I don’t chant fully, just a couple of words. (Laughter)

Q: When you spoke yesterday about this story now, you mentioned the lineage karma aspect and also that it can cure skin conditions. I was wondering if you can expand on this a little bit.

Mohanji: Yeah. Naga – it is connected to lineage, lineage karma, usually children and family relationships. You can see that many of the Naga related things are connected to family.

Secondly, many of the skin allergies and those kind of thing, go away when you appease the Naga. Usually milk and turmeric is offered. And traditionally there is no daily puja for Naga. It’s one pooja per year. Then I think, you just light the lamp, that’s what they do. And the day before yesterday was the most auspicious day of the year for the Naga Prathishta. And we did that on that day, Nagapanchami. It was not known I mean, we didn’t know that, right? Not even planned but apparently it happened. In India, there are places where they take the mud from the anthill, which is connected to Naga and they apply it on the skin etc. to work on your skin allergies.

Thirdly, it is knowledge. I think the explanation of Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and the dimensions of human existence to a great extent was probably delivered by Nagas from the Nagaloka. They still visit us. Usually it is said that they are golden – they’ll be like golden snakes, snakes in golden color. And they appear and disappear. They do come. But they come to bless. They are very kind people, they come, THEY BLESS and then they disappear. There are a lot of temples, especially in the south, which are particularly important for snakes.

There’s nothing much to explain about skin disease as such, because it’s connected to mind and mind connected to guilt. Guilt – mind – skin disease, this is the connection. That’s a cycle. The guilt connected to our actions, e.g. you do bad to people, or talk bad, things like that. Or if there are people killing snakes, etc. That destruction, that destruction, talking bad, bad expressions, those kinds of things will lead to guilt. If you talk bad about somebody, your mind gets polluted first, before it pollutes the outside world. Those kinds of things affect the mind. The mind is like a reflector. The mind reflects what you are. That automatically affects the blood flow and the skin. This is the cycle, and snake represents that. Because snake sheds skin, right? So that’s it.

Q: Some people suggest that in 2026 that apparently Prema Sai will reveal? Do you know anything about it?

Mohanji: I don’t know anything about it. Even if I do know, I don’t talk about it. Because any incarnation which has to glow like a sun will happen. Why are we in a hurry?

The thing is that our mind likes to go to the future too much and ignores the present. I also do not endorse any of my past lives – people have written about my past lives. I never endorse that because it doesn’t matter to me. What I was in a past life has no value, because this is my life now. I will die as Mohanji. So if I can’t do anything with this body in this life, there’s no use. Likewise, there are great incarnations right now, and there will be incarnations in the future, for one reason – Dharma, preservation of Dharma. So for that matter, it will come and we have seen that with Sathya Sai Baba. Baba has been powerful, very, very powerful. And also, I don’t believe that that such beings ever leave. Because as I explained yesterday, when you conglomerate and become one unit, then there is nothing to leave. Because from that position, you can only expand. While living itself, they expand. What are the signs? They appear in places. They do so many things. That means they are operating from an expanded consciousness.

What happens at the time of samadhi? The body is left but as a point of contact. Typical example is Shirdi Sai Baba. He left his body a hundred years ago. Today, you see how many people visit Shirdi, millions. And they all get results. People go to Sathya Sai samadhi and get results. But then we can’t really contain that aspect, it means Baba is everywhere. But we still like to go to places where Baba used to be. I’m not against it. I’m not even saying this is right or wrong. I’m nobody to say that. But the human mind is such that you know, you go. Somebody asked me if this was right? I said that if good things are happening, everything is right. If good things are not happening, everything is wrong. If it is something positive, regenerative and kind, it’s good. Whoever does it, it doesn’t matter who. Anybody doing it, is good. So I’m not against it. But I’m talking only about that human mind, we do everything to keep the mind alive. And in all philosophies, we say dissolve the mind, only then you start connecting to the absolute truth.With the mind you can only understand the relative truth. You and me. Because you sit there, that is a separation but consciousness-wise, you and I have no separation. To see that consciousness, the ether that connects us, you have to go beyond your mind. But when you’re chasing all these things, like people, personalities… like I’ll tell you, when after I die, if a lot of people sit and cry, I will feel miserable. You know why? It will mean they have not understood my teachings. You know that this incarnation that I have taken is for a particular reason.

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Each of us, everybody, has taken this incarnation for some reason. And once this is done, we leave the body, there’s no tragedy about it. It’s like we have taken a car for a purpose. Once the purpose is done, we give the car back. Naturally, if you say that you won’t give the car back, the car’s owner will catch you. Or you rent a house. You say, “I like this house, I’m not going.” We often see that happening. Right? Then it’s a legal case. Because the owner will say, “I want the house” and you will say, “I won’t give it to you”. So it doesn’t work in real terms.

We will all leave the body and it is not a problem. It shouldn’t be a problem.

And incarnations I mean, avatars. Avatars do happen, they must happen. Why? Because of preservation of Dharma. Only one cause. Krishna came for that. Rama came for that. Everybody came for that. And they went through the rigors of it. And when did we recognize them? Usually after their death. While living we can’t see them, because they have a form. They have expressions, so they say, “I have expression, I have a form, I’m the same as him.” But after they leave and continue to work, then we realize that this was an avatar. For example Shirdi Sai Baba. There are so many possibilities. Dattatreya has taken many avatars, Sripada Srivallabha, Narasimha Saraswathi, Akkalkot Swami, Manik Prabhu. You know, Shirdi Sai Baba, Tembe Swami – they are all Datta Avatars. He keeps coming back time and again, in various bodies for the purpose of preservation of Dharma, but Datta remains the same. He is still powerful, he is active. That’s the point. Each incarnation, especially a powerful incarnation is only for the purpose of giving you a point of contact, an image to connect, so that you could plug in, and so you could integrate, that’s the only reason. So if another Avatar comes, people will connect to that avatar. There’ll be many avatars at the same time. Datta has also had many avatars. Akkalkot Swami and Shirdi Sai Baba lived at the same time. Akkalkot Swami was slightly older, and when Akkalkot Swami left his body, part of his soul went and merged into the tree and part of the soul went and merged with Shirdi Sai Baba. Afterwards, when Akkalkot Swami’s disciples were coming to Akkalkot Swami’s samadhi, he said, “I live in Shirdi, go there.” They went, looked at Baba, and they saw Swami.

So what is all this drama? I’m not discouraging or encouraging. My point is that do not ever get deluded by external forms, including this form. I will leave the body at some point in time. I’m here only for a certain purpose. So all these forms have a purpose, and we will just do our job, and we will vanish. That’s about it. So there’s nothing greater or nothing lesser than anything in this. What do you want? What do you have to do? You have to dissolve your mind as much as possible and become empty. And then God fills it. See, this book I’m talking about that I’m writing now,  Silence of Shiva, is finished already. The first part in it is Brahmacharya. In that part, the only thing that guru was teaching the disciple was to empty, unlearn and delete. And then he made the disciple to empty completely. Then the guru just filled in and left. So that’s it, there’s nothing to tell this disciple, because he was already that. There’s nothing to give from guru, all the guru did was hold the hands, held them, and delete, and delete, and delete, and delete, and finally you became empty, God filled in, then you are everything.

That is what we were explaining in the morning. The human form is not all human. We have a form but we are not really human always, not these people, but another people. So to be human is to have the ability to share, live together, conglomerate. But when you become a saint-human, you need to have the perfect awareness that you belong to nothing, nothing belongs to you. That awareness should be clear. It means I own nothing, and nobody owns me. It should stabilize, when that understanding stabilizes then you’re a saint-human. Nobody belongs to anybody. Nothing belongs to you, nor do you belong to anybody. You’re everybody’s everything. Then you become a God-human. That state is when you know or you experience, that you are everything, that there’s nothing apart from you, you are stabilized already. So these are the states. Being human is a state where you’re able to share, you’re able to love, you can express even some kind of unconditional love. That’s about it. Then you have to progress to a saint-human, where you’re clear. Clear means absolutely clear with conviction, that nobody can own you, nor can you own anything. That nothing can own you, means the possessions, places, time, people nothing owns you. Neither do you own anything. So that stabilizes, and then you progress towards becoming God-human. That’s the state when you absolutely know, and experience every moment that you are everything. Every being around is you, all your reflection. At that time, you will actually feel the heartbeat of every leaf, every cell, this is a state of that level. This is the progression.

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So in this, why are we chasing human incarnations? Just to understand the state. I am not Mohanji, I’m the state called Mohanji. If that is not understood, then there is no point. You can recognize my image, but what is that? Okay, good to know people. But apart from that, what does this image mean? Unless this is translated into a state – okay, this is Mohanji, just a state. And that’s a state I’m connecting to, or I’m aspiring to. Good enough, then we have a clear roadmap. That’s why I’m saying when we chase gurus, I always wonder why you’re chasing. Gurus run away. And we chase them. (Laughter) That’s the fundamental non-understanding, right? Because the mind loves activity. And the mind wants activity, the mind clings to activity. That mind survives, you don’t survive. This is the mind’s game. The mind is playing the game to keep you in activity.

Q: I was wondering, what I can do when I get angry? Do you ever get angry?

(Laughter)

Mohanji: I think we are all a mixture, right? We have everything. And anger is one of your expressions. Anger is not you anyway. And you’re not angry all the time. Whatever is not permanent, is not you completely. That’s part of you. We all have anger, we all have everything the world has. So let us say that we are fine with everything.

First and foremost, the anger aspect is sustained because we tend to fight it, “I shouldn’t be angry.” So it stays. Because whenever you resist something, it persists. It stays on. Whenever you attend to something or whichever seed you pour water on, it grows. Sometimes you don’t pour water on some seeds, you don’t even know there is a seed like that, we don’t nurture it, then it doesn’t grow. But sometimes we pour water on something without knowing like, “I’m aware that I’m angry,” even though it is only one aspect of your total existence, that’s the aspect which bothers you. So you become more and more aware of it, and in turn you energize it more. Anger becomes happy, meaning the aspect of the mind which entertains anger, becomes happy. And anger has always a root: expectation. Expectation is the root of anger. You look at: it doesn’t happen by itself. There is a residual anger. Residual anger is that somebody talked bad to me. So whenever I see that person, I tend to become angry. That is because I have a memory connected to the person and his potential, or his past response. Apart from that, the usual anger is from expectations. You know, if I expect something from you and you don’t deliver it, I become angry. For example, sometimes we expect things from the government and government behaves in a different way due to whatever reason, then we become very upset, angry. All this situational stuff means there is an external factor which is causing this internal situation. If you’re able to see through these two, the intensity of anger goes down.

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And don’t take anger as an isolated state. It’s just one of your states. This is part of you. Anger is one of your children – okay, you’re also sitting with me. So no problem, you come to terms with it, first of all. And then once you are not against it, it loses its impact. Every emotion, whatever you suppress, or whatever you fight, stays longer. Whatever you allow naturally to flow, it comes and goes. And later on, what happens is that when anger happens, you will express it, but you will not feel it. It means you will express it in an angry way. If you don’t do this, I will do this. But inside, you’re still peaceful, because you’re coming to terms with it. So, every particle called you should be accepted fully as part of your incarnation; nothing is right, and nothing is wrong.

There’s nothing right or wrong in the karmic world. What is wrong is something which binds you further to Earth, and then it is not good for you. Because it creates more of such events. For example, you did something very harmful for the world or to the people. And then a group of people’s energy gets bound to that activity. So, you’re creating a trend there for example, for destruction of some kind – you can see that in the society. People plant bombs and blow them up that kill people and destroy families. All these things leave a mark in this whole life. It’s difficult to get redemption and come out of it. Therefore I would say that you should not enter into any violence in thoughts, words and action. But we must just allow all the other things which are happening within to happen at the same time. We must understand that that’s not us completely. That’s part of us. And that’s okay.

Q: Yeah, no, it just seems so anti-social. Right. (Laughter)  And it seems like there’s acceptable anger (Laughter) and there’s unacceptable anger, things like bombs. So I didn’t know if there’s a meditation or something that you can recommend.

Mohanji: Yeah, it needs to be handled practically by serving the most underprivileged. You know, when you feel agitated and angry with something, go out and serve the most underprivileged, the ones suffering the most. It will get washed away. That’s the best meditation. By sitting in meditation you will only be thinking about anger. That will reinforce it. Instead, go out and you help the poorest, the most underprivileged. Immediately the love will overwhelm you and your anger will be washed away. The antidote to anger is love. Practical. Not theoretical.

Speaker: Thank you.

Q: We are talking about being human and being god-human

Mohanji: Saint-human is the second one.

Q: So, the shift in that consciousness, is that a natural process? Or is there something you can do to make happen, or…?

Mohanji: No, I just told you about the roadmap. This is normal evolutionary process. They say that, in evolutionary beings, that means, beings taking birth and evolving to a level of human, to do that it takes thousands of lifetimes literally to become, or to get a human body, human form. The advantage of the human form is the ability to understand the absolute truth instead of the relative truth. The relative truth is always the truth based on a situation or a person.

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One example of relative truth is to imagine that three people are standing here, one person is five-foot, one person six-foot and one person seven. The five-foot person will say, “These two people are taller than me.” And the six-foot person will say, “This guy is taller than me.” So, each person is right. Or one guy will say, “This guy is shorter than me.” Each person is right in their own way, but it is a relative truth. Nobody is absolutely tall nor absolutely short. Absolute truth means it cannot change through time. That’s absolute truth.

With the human consciousness, you have the potential to touch that absolute truth. That is the advantage of human existence. However, most people do not know it because we are coming out of the relative truth level and we are coming up very very slowly . We’re surfacing to the top. So this relative truth is kind of a habitual thing for us – we know it already, because all of our lives we have experienced it.

It is said that once you take a human body for the first time (raw human), then it takes about 5,000 lifetimes before you become human-human. Approximately that is all, nobody has counted (laughter) but approximately 5,000 lifetimes before you become a human-human. Then it takes about another 700 lifetimes from a human level to become a saint human  or somebody who is completely aware that nothing belongs to me nor I belong to anything. Then it takes about 70 lifetimes more before you become a god-human who knows “I’m everything – Aham Brahmasmi, I am God, I am everything.” This is the usual process they say. Thus this is spontaneous evolution.

And where is the problem then? How do you regress? This is the usual progress and if you’re leading a normal life, slowly, slowly you’re progressing this way. But then when does the regression happen in this? When you do unkind acts, when you talk bad, do bad things, etc. Then the frequency goes down, frequencies reduce. When frequency is reduced, you take birth in that level next time. That’s why the proximity to masters is always respected in that order. Because when you are deeply integrated with a powerful Master, the deviation will be less. The chance to fall will be less since you will be integrated with the consciousness all the time. So, your focus is clear and then at least from that level you can take off. And the job of a Master is only to take you until your mind is dissolved, to Nirvichara or no-thought state. That’s a state when you become a Master. Then there’s no coming back. So there’s no return. So, this is the usual way. Roadmap.

Q: On the roadmap, what challenges could you expect to face and how could they be overcome?

Mohanji: Challenges are two ways: one is external from people, from situations, from expectations, all those things. Internal are your concepts, phobias, your fears and those kinds of things. These two are enemies, both are enemies on the path. I told you earlier in the program, one friend gifted another friend a lamb… Do I have to repeat the story?

Audience: Yes… (Laughter)

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A Story of Two Friends and a Lamb

Mohanji: It’s a fable. Everybody knows this fable. One guy gave a lamb to a friend saying, “This will be useful to you,” with kindness, and a lot of love. And he was taking this lamb home. Four thieves saw this and decided they should have this lamb. They spoke between themselves and said, “We will get this lamb.”

One guy asked, “How do you get it? We will steal?”

“No, he will leave the lamb. We will make him drop the lamb and go. So, we can pick it up.”

Then they worked out a plan. Four of them sat on the way and one guy asked, “Where are you taking this dog?”

The man said, “This is not a dog, this is a lamb. Can’t you see?”

One of the thieves replied, “To me it looks like a dog. Maybe it’s a lamb, but I don’t know, it looks like a dog to me.”

And then things started happening in the man’s mind already. He walked further, when another guy asked, “Oh, nice dog where did you get this, where did you buy it?”

He said, “It’s not a dog. It’s a lamb! Can’t you see?”

The thief replied, “I thought it’s a dog.”

After the second guy, the man’s mind already started to work wonders. Next the third guy said the same thing, “Amazing dog, would you like to sell it?” (Laughter).

The man thought, “What’s wrong with all these people!? Either I am blind or everybody is blind!”

However, by then his mind was already saying that this friend of his had cheated him, saying it was a lamb, “I don’t know how I got fooled. Maybe at that time, I didn’t look.” And he was looking and it looked like a lamb. (Laughter)

Then the fourth guy said, “Oh, amazing dog!” (Group laughter)

He dropped the lamb, cursed the friend, and walked away. He said, “I will not meet this guy again.”

This happens in our spiritual pursuit. We would probably have a lamb in our hand but when the fourth person says that’s not the right practice, that’s not the right Guru, he is a very bad Guru or it’s a very bad practice, a very bad tradition, we will change our mind. This is one of the most detrimental things in the spiritual path. We go after popular masters, popular time-tested things, but we forget one thing: by birth, you are unique, you are authentic, you are original. So how can there be a general medicine? Something which suits you is what you should follow.

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How do you know what suits you?

Something which you can do without effort, that is your benchmark. Some activity which is natural for you to perform. Something which is forced, compelled, or it’s a pressure for you to perform, is not yours. It’s not good for you. So one of the main problems in the spiritual journey is this trap. People say, “Are you sure this is what you want to do?” And even if we are progressing, we will think that is not true.

One example is people read a lot of books on Kundalini awakening. (Laughter) And they are all crazy about Kundalini. You know Kundalini awakening is ecstasy. But because all these concepts are filled into the mind, the whole thing gets distorted. And you know what? When you are not ready for the awakening of Kundalini, and you jump-started the kundalini shakti energy, this three and a half coiled serpent (that’s also one of the aspects of serpent) progresses to the top which is its natural expression. To meet Shiva. Shakti’s natural seat is with Shiva. Whether you like it or not, Kundalini will rise. When will it rise? When your karmic weight is less. That is why we are doing pilgrimages, we’re going to Kailash.  We’re going to various places so that our karmic weight is dropped, reduced. Because our karmic weight is not just our weight, it comes from the lineage also. So we go to places, we do worship… Why are we doing all these pujas, all these things here? To wash and wash and wash, clean and reduce the weight. So when that happens after a lot of effort, it automatically rises.

But when we jumpstart it, what happens is it either goes to the moon or to the sun side. If it goes to the moon side (through Ida), there is depression, tamas, anger, etc. If it goes to the sun side (through Pingala), there is madness, hyperactivity, restlessness, etc.

Therefore, it has to rise beautifully, peacefully and when you stabilize, for which you need to give it time, you need to reduce the karmic weight, you should be deeply integrated into a good master, a stable master – somebody who has stabilized. Then it becomes the master’s job to take you there.

Thus it’s not possible to read the books and do all these things. We must understand. So much of information congestion is not good. It means you eat a lot of knowledge. Mind gets clogged. It really affects you because you are filled with concepts and undigested food. And indigestion happens with undigested food. Just like when you overeat and can’t sleep well. The same thing here.

One is people’s opinions.

When I was practicing for four or five years, even when I met Devi, I never told her what I was practicing, she did not even know that I was doing some practice. I never used to tell people, it used to be my private space. I used to meditate, I used to do my stuff from 3am to 8am. My practice was very simple: connecting to the spine. Well, when I’m walking, I am feeling the spine, when I’m talking, I’m feeling the spine. Automatically your dimension changes when you’re connected to the spine. We are usually front oriented, right? That means all our senses are in the front and we tend to operate in the front. 120 degrees from ear to ear. But then the 240 degrees are missing. So when you’re always aware of the spine and you’re connecting to the spine, the breath becomes vertical, and your awareness becomes vertical. It just keeps going and then it stabilizes, so there’s nothing to tell people. If I had spoken to people, they would have given me 15 opinions or even a hundred opinions saying, “You should do it this way or you should do it that way.”

Now when I give something to people, I understand the person and give – I don’t give something just like that. So we tend to take something from other people and like the sheep became a dog in the story here, so many people make us dogs, even though we are a sheep, we wouldn’t know (laughter). And once you drop the sheep, then it takes time. So, people deviate from the path and they don’t know what to do. Being realistic is very important.

Furthermore, you should always look within and talk to yourself, “Is this comfortable for me? Is it making me fine and stable? It’s okay.” If it is not making you fine and stable, then drop it. Don’t say it’s okay. Moreover, understand that we are all individuals and we have to go through the processes.

Like I was talking today. I was discussing with Swami Surya about the programs here. Very systematic programs. I asked, “Why did Guru Subramanian create this program this way?” The main purpose is concentration, you are all concentrated, focused, focused, focused on one thing.

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What happens when you focus, concentrate on one thing?

That energy becomes you or you connect to that energy consistently. In usual life we don’t do that right? Here one by one, there is no time to think or there is no time to reflect. Just keep doing. So, Mahavatar Babaji has said the same thing, concentration has to be stabilized before you progress. It’s the same principle: you focus on one thing over and over and over and over, then it becomes… See, that’s when the mind gets beaten, the mind gets bored, “I’m bored. Are you doing the same thing? Why can’t you do something else?” Once you cross over the tedium, then the mind starts dropping. That’s a technique in the Vedic tradition. You repeat it, repeat it , repeat it, and the mind gets dropped. Mind has to drop off, mind cannot be thrown away. Mind doesn’t go that way. So one of the methods is that you repeat it, repeat it, repeat it, the mind become really agitated, angry, it shouts at you, then it will walk out. That’s a technique.

Everything has a purpose.  When a Guru gives something, he gives with clear purpose, “This is what you should do.” And then the system is made in that way, that the people connected also come into focus, into one channel. Discipline is very, very important. When there is discipline, nobody can really take you for a ride. Nobody can push you from your path. Discipline is very important. And concentration is important. These two things are achieved with these activities of the day. We need to understand what makes it happen. Otherwise, it’s all people’s opinions and whose opinions? Opinions of minds that have not found the truth. This is the beauty of it. Most people who give opinions have no idea what they’re talking about. And those who really know will not talk. (Laughter). You see.

One benchmark, I will tell you: if somebody criticizes somebody, understand they are minds. That’s why when people criticize about somebody, I always tell them, “This is very precious information, you have worked hard to get it, keep it with you. Don’t give anything precious outside, I don’t want it. You know, I don’t take anything, anything precious from anybody, you would have worked hard to get this bad information about somebody? Why do I need it?” So, prevention is very important.

We should believe in ourselves. At the end of the day, it’s you, you and you, whether you are rising or you are falling. That is why if that factor is not understood, nobody else has any responsibility over it. Nobody else can. Because all are individuals that we can call husband, wife, son, father, mother, this is okay. That’s all in the social structure. But are you an individual or not? You are an individual, your growth is pertaining to you.

Q: You spoke about consuming knowledge, making sure it is not congestion. Yeah, I’m studying Sanskrit. And so, I’m consuming this type of knowledge. How do I make sure it doesn’t become purely congested?

Mohanji: If you are learning Sanskrit, Upanishads have clarified it very beautifully. They said what you can digest is good enough, that means when you consume something as a theory, it remains a theory. It’s good that you’re learning Sanskrit, because you can directly understand the mind or the expression of the people who uttered it or explained it. So that’s better, not an interpretation. That’s an advantage.

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If you crush all the scriptures of Upanishads into one glass of juice, it’s called Tatvamasi. You are that. That’s what I was explaining. It’s you, you and you. So, every Upanishad that you put together says, “You are that” and then from there, this journey starts. The journey starts to find out “Who am I?”

Then we ask the questions:

Who am I?

What am I?

Why am I?

These questions are asked so that you start going within, these are the drills drilling the holes into ourselves. Then you start going within and realize,

Am I the mind?

Aadi Shankara said right:

Mano buddhyahankaara chittaani naaham

Na cha shotrajihve na cha ghraananetre

Na cha vyomabhoomir na tejo na vaayuh

Chidaananda roopah shivoham shivoham

That awareness is the final. That’s the end of the story. Starting with you are that. Gurus’ job is only that. Gurus say “Welcome” and “What is truth? You are that.” Gurus’ job is over. Then YOU have to find out, “Am I the mind? Am I the intellect? Am I the body? Am I the ego? Am I the Spirit? Am I the things which I am connected to? Am I the relationships I’m connected to?” All these questions, and then you come to a place where you start thinking “This is what I am.” That becomes your meditation. Wherever the mind stays longer, that is meditation. Not what you think meditation is. Mind establishes itself on something for some time. Right? That’s meditation. From point to point to point your meditation increases. Minds get stuck here for some time, then, “Oh no, this is not me,” mind goes elsewhere. This is in the beginning, then it all gets connected, “I am this, I am that and I am that further…” So, expansion starts. Like this, you progress. In that mode, whatever you have eaten will all dissolve. Only remember one thing, whatever you have consumed from outside, cannot stay inside. Either it goes out or it dissolves.

Whatever comes from inside, stays forever. So true knowledge is knowledge that happens from within. For that, you need to be totally empty, to unlearn. Until you reach there, you can use this knowledge. Until you reach yourself, use the knowledge. Once you reach yourself, you don’t need this knowledge. That’s why all practices, all knowledge and all Gurus are only until you become that – everything. That’s why I keep saying that I am not the ultimate, you are the ultimate. I have repeated many times, “If you like me or dislike me, there’s no problem. But if you don’t like yourself, there is a problem. If you hate me there’s no problem but if you hate yourself, there’s a problem.” So, integration is very important. Integration into yourself as a full incarnation. From there you start growing. Every practice is to reach a stage of no practice. Initially you need all this, all the practices, all the knowledge, but with a clear awareness that this is a boat to cross over. After you cross over, why would you need the boat? If you want to carry the boat, it is fine (laughter), but other people will have a problem.

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Transcribed by Kishore Mundanat
Proofread by Arvind Ananthan and Geeta Iyer