Mohanji Speaks Zoom satsang
on 09th June 2019
Q: Mohanji, I am emotionally drained and in a rut. I want to get out of it, but I don’t know how. Please guide me.
Mohanji: Be useful to the society. Go out, help the helpless. Whenever you feel you are stuck, go out and see the world. There are so many things you can do in this world. What you can share is what you have in abundance. You have time in abundance, share time; if you have wealth in abundance, share wealth; if you have love in abundance, share love. Don’t sit at home and think that nobody is loving me. You go out and love the world, love the people, love the beings of the world, the children of the Earth. You will get love in abundance. Whenever you feel stagnated, whenever you feel emotional, get out and do something in life. It will completely change your entire perspective. Your whole life will blossom.
Q: What is the difference between poor self-esteem and insignificance?
Mohanji: Well, both are connected to expectations. The other important thing is acceptance, in the right way. Accept yourself more. Say, you have fluctuations in life; one day you are very happy and very productive, another day you are dull and unproductive. If this wave of life is happening, that only means you are living. There is nothing more to it. Don’t try to analyze why it is happening. It is happening, it is happening. Thus, when you have good energy, when you have high momentum, do your best. Go all the way, do your best. When you have very little momentum, are feeling low, slow down, take it easy, take a back seat. You attend to yourself. Look within. Don’t do anything. So, if you really look at yourself as this vibrating organism which has its relevance you will be fine with your life. So whenever we resist something, have plenty of expectations and corresponding disappointments, we will have low self-esteem. Insignificance is the effect it creates.
There is no insignificance in life. Everybody has significance. Even the ants, the insects and the beings you see around our house, have significance. They are all doing their job. Don’t worry about their size. Whatever be their size, they have their relevant existence. Even an ant is relevant to its own family, just as we see everyone in this world has some relevance somewhere. It need not necessarily be everywhere. Hence we have our significance; that significance is based on how much you give to this world and this you can decide. Lack of self-esteem can be easily handled by accepting yourself.
“Alright, I am like this – with this given capacity, this incarnation, this time and space, I perform.” That is all you can do and that’s all you need to do.
Q: Some great siddhas like Atmananda, Lahiri Mahasaya have cast out their sacred body in the sacred fire of cremation. How can we connect to these masters who have not left their powerful vibrating jivasamadhi state?
Mohanji: That is based on purpose. All these great masters have complete clarity of their existence and they come (into this world) based on what is needed. After a while when they have crossed the mind, when the mind dissolves in the state of Samadhi, their entire existence is connected to purpose, dharma – not karma. Karmas are over. When this happens, they will only do what is necessary. It is not for sensory pleasures, emotional pleasures or pleasures of the mind, intellect and ego. They are not bound by these any more. Their entire purpose of existence is what they are sent here for or what they are supposed to do. Their operating level will be an echo of Dharma, which means, operating Sanatana Dharma, perpetual ground rules of operation. In that mode, if they have to leave their body for the sake of larger population or future generations, they will do it.
As Atmananda says, “I will walk on this Earth, as if I have never walked.” That means he will empower people, he will do things, as if he were alive at that time. In future, there should not be a reminiscence of Atmananda, everything should be burned. But Atmananda still proved that he has not left. This is the operating level. He is telling people, “I am not bound by the body.” Even while existing I can be everywhere. Now when I am leaving the body, a body is not that significant because the point of operation like a siddha leaving the body is like a 100,000 prana prathishtas, which is to say that continuously, energy will flow out of that. Examples are Shirdi Sai Baba, Satya Sai Baba – samadhis of great masters are power centers now. However, every one need not do that and each person does what he is supposed to do. Name and fame are not important.
The entire operating level is purpose; once the purpose is accomplished, they dissolve. Just like a bird or animal, their existence is completed and they don’t care. When it is time to leave, they do; there is no emotional binding to it. So a true master will only obey the rules of the tradition. They will say, “This is what I am supposed to do, I will do the same and leave.” They don’t expect anything from anybody. Nobody’s applause or criticism can redirect them to something selfish; never, it’s not possible. They will stay with their path and if people don’t understand them, people leave them. The masters don’t leave their path. The path is very clear. And the path of liberation is the path of fire. It’s not easy to understand. It burns your feet, if you are not eligible. So the path itself drives people away (chuckles). For a person who is fully occupied in consciousness and only operating on Dharma, it really does not matter. But if it is needed they will definitely keep their body in a place or they will say, “Burn it.” Vasudevan swamy wanted his body to be cremated. We did that and I myself immersed the ash in the Ganga. It is as per the wish of the master. Nobody can say anything about it.
Q: Pranaprathishta on Vigrahas has happened down the ages by Maharishis and Siddhas, but a Pranaprathishta in a recorded version as felt in Power of Purity meditation is indeed an incredible contemporary phenomena. Can you elaborate on this?
Mohanji: Well, Pranaprathishta is inducing energy in a particular way, using a method, into an idol. That has to be maintained as well. In the Indian tradition, we have the tradition of Sanatana. Great masters have recognized the Supreme Consciousness as all-encompassing and they have derived 330 million varieties from it. Why that particular number? It signifies 33%. So 330 million deities – deities means potential gods, which can have a form, which has a circuit- yantra, which has a frequency – mantra and it has a duration and a purpose, in fact, a clear purpose; each one has a flavor and an ideal behind it. And the form is created based on the ideal, the circuit is created as per the intensity requirement, frequency is created as per the effectiveness. All this has been done by great masters.
How do you worship these 330 million deities? The masters said, worship the 33% of you, which is the soul element. When you worship the soul element, when you connect to your soul element, you will see no differences then. You can’t see people; you cannot see birds or animals. You only see the soul in you and the soul in everybody. That is “Namaste” “I am not me. The existence in me bows down to the existence in you”. So the me or mine factor or I factor dilutes. We see only the existence factor. What maintains us is the soul element and we bring into the idol that soul element using a certain system. As per the idol means as per the ideal. An idol is thus created. It has a size which can retain the energy, it has its worship methods to maintain it and also it has its bhaavs or flavours which is maintained.
Power of purity is a meditation basically to unhook – unhook from the past, where you are in a capacity to bless. That means your level of purity increases every moment, because when you unhook from the past, you are in the present. When you have nothing to do with the past, the people, the situations, the time and the emotions, you are pure. The purity inside will stabilize you and that stability will make you bright. So why is the power of purity spreading? Because it creates a remarkable difference in people’s lives and they feel it. I felt it is priceless. That’s why I kept it free so that everybody can experience it. And I don’t claim it to be mine. It came to me. I have no other claim of any kind, either to say that it is mine or that I created it. It happened through me and it came to the world, it is as simple as that. So how are the effects happening? I would say don’t analyze. Analysis automatically takes the fragrance away. The beautiful flower is smelling nice, but it will not be that nice if you start looking at where the fragrance is coming from, the flower will be destroyed. So I feel it is better to not analyze. Experience it, enjoy it and be liberated. That is best.
Q: what makes one mountain such as Kailash or Arunachala more important than other regular mountains for seekers and how are they related to Shiva? Did Shiva physically live at this locations? And did Maa Parvathi physically meditate in the Gourikund?
M : Well, whether they physically lived there or not, whether the effect is there or not, these are for the individuals to experience. If I say something it will become a concept, but let us look at why certain some places are so important. It is because of the energy conglomeration there. Places have their frequency and energy or power. Every part of earth has its vibratory level. Everything is different, just as it is for people. Each of us has our vibratory level. When we become more and more into ourselves, mind, intellect ego is turned inward and we are completely aligned, we become powerful. Then we start expressing more and more brightness. Similarly, we have all these places that have their frequency and conglomerated energy, saturated energy, which attracts people there.
So what is Shiva? Shiva is a state, a state of complete detachment. Detachment here implies one who is fully occupied with himself and is completely in a state of being complete or still. Stillness is connected to completion. He also represents the human aspiration, the highest potential. So that place can attract that kind of energies. Whether Shiva as a form lives there, is not significant. But the state of Shiva is experienced there. The state of stillness. The Kailash effect. That is experienced there. So that is probably attracting people.
As for Arunachala, I am not sure if I spoke about my experience earlier, but I have written about it in Yogi Ram Suratkumar’s journal, which was released recently. So I had this experience where I was going inside this Arunachala Mountain and this Swami with bare chest, wearing only a dhoti, said “Come in and keep walking”. I entered a cave and it became darker and darker. He said keep walking. He was behind me and he urged me to walk. I could not see but I walked in and I walked all the way inwards and then slowly the brightness started. I walked further and he was asking me to keep moving and I reached a place where it was open expanse, a big space, like a small basin, bit curved in the middle, lot of platforms like stools although not stools, it was like rock formations, where people were meditating and everybody was glowing in golden color. Then I realized that this color is not them, it is the color of the space. The space is golden and when the golden light falls on everyone, everybody looks golden. Also I could feel that they are all like crystals, transparent, big beard and very lean. Everybody looked very similar and they were meditating. At first, I thought it was the golden age, rather the symbolism of golden age. Later I understood it to be Siddhaloka. Then he said, “Let’s go.” And I came out with him. That was an experience! Later on when I spoke about it to Deviamma, Deviamma said this is actually Sidhaloka; what you see outside is just the shell. Actually, the parikrama is going around the Siddhaloka and I could also see that the root of the idol of Arunachala Shiva, is inside this portal. There is a huge world there. I could experience this state. That effect stayed for a long time. Even now it stays, when I talk about it, I feel it. So these things exist. Various levels of masters operate from various planes. These are all timeless spaces, spaces where you cannot measure time and space. These are places created for a certain effect. The next day our people were going to visit the Arunachala Shiva temple. I could not go because I was immersed in this vision. When I reached Bangalore later, a certain person contacted saying that a swami wanted to meet me, so I met him. Swami said, I wanted to tell you Arunachala Shiva is waiting for you, you could not go but you need to go. Immediately I went back the next day to have darshan of Arunachala Shiva. And at that time everything was well organized. When I went there one of the priests came to receive me and we went inside, we had darshan and we came back. Everything is interconnected.
This is slight deviation from subject, but what I am saying is that each place has its frequency. Each place has its relevance. And based on your frequency, your connection, you will get attracted to that place. Otherwise you will not feel like going there. What attracts you to a place is the compatibility of frequency and that is there for all of us. And as I said earlier nobody is higher, nobody is lower. You can’t compare. It’s all individualistic. So if you are getting attracted to a person, a personality, a time or a space or a place or even a hill or mountain, understand that there is frequency compatibility. So that is the reason for all these. But definitely in this world there are numerous frequencies in operation. They all have their spaces which are like expressions of those frequencies, conglomeration and that attracts you. And some of our people in 2016 went and touched Kailash physically. This is very, very difficult, very rare, very difficult, very dangerous, but they did it. How many life times does it take to reach there? So what made it possible? Only one thing – eligibility; eligibility, over a period of time. Of course purity of intention has a great value, but more importantly you earned it. The time came, when it all fell in place. The time was right for that. You can’t define all these. There aren’t strict rules to create these. Hence every place has its value and I would say that wherever you go feel the place, experience the place not just take a picture with it in the background. It should be felt. Every place should be felt. Every person should be felt. When you connect with your heart, whatever it is, whether it is a person or a place, it stays. It always stays. Whenever you connect to anything with your mind it can change, because our mind can’t contain something for long. Whenever you connect to something or somebody with your mind understand it is temporary. Whenever you connect something with your heart, whatever happens in the world, it will stay, always; by heart means I would say connect with awareness and then it will stay forever.
Q: Is it possible for me to have an intention carry along the souls and dear ones with me for the Kailash Pilgrimage?
Mohanji: Automatically it happens so. Because a pilgrimage of that intensity where you are travelling, you are not travelling alone. You are taking the whole lineage, ancestry. All those people who wanted to go and could not go or people who are connected to you through relationships, you are carrying everybody. We used to do this earlier and even now we do it in our Kailash yatra – we ask if you would like to sponsor somebody in case you cannot go. Many times if people can’t go, they sponsor someone on behalf of themselves and their families. This is usual practice in India. Earlier it was Kashi or Varanasi. Kashi is very easy to reach now, there are flights. Earlier it was very difficult to reach there. So when somebody can’t go they would hire somebody or help someone else go. It’s almost as if they visit the place. We still do that – the form provides for it; ”Would you like to sponsor somebody?” It is customary. It is not that one has to sponsor, but then we provide the option. If you can’t go, you help someone else who is poor, visit, and then that effect comes to you also. They will carry everybody.
When you go to a place of power, whenever you worship, it’s always for you and your ancestors. The lineage gets the benefit. Likewise you do good work, say, you help the helpless, feed the birds, animals, fishes and other beings in nature, everybody gets benefitted, all the people in the lineage are benefitted. That will release karmic weight from your shoulder also. The karmic weight of the lineage is reduced. This is a practical example- many have told me that when they started feeding beings such as birds and animals, things have cleared up, blockages were removed. It may sound very simple, but it has its effect.
Q: If a person’s brain is damaged and person is not aware of normal self, what is the state of soul and the mind?
Mohanji: The connection to relationships is part of soulmateship, where a group of souls decide to exist together in the same time, in the same place, in certain relationships, to experience certain flavors. Thus, a person who is not available to the society, as a full person, is in a way keeping the connection to a relationship, it is continuing and the person has time till next birth; so they keep the body, they keep the existence and also keep the relationship; so the connection remains. Also the experience of love or care or experience of whatever kind they want to do or have happens, even without the mind existing, since the body exists. At times, you never know, they may be aware of it too and science has proven that persons apparently brain dead or in coma, in certain ways, understood everything happening around them. That is possible. So, anyone living with awareness, connection, love, it finally boils down to the experiences you wanted to have in a life time. At which level, how much or how long, one can’t say, it depends on karmic boundaries.
Q: Why is it not that all sincere prayers are answered?
Mohanji: That is again Karmic allowance. Sincere prayers are all answered means many are desires… (chuckles). You know, you only get what you deserve. What is delivered to you is what you deserve. There are plenty of desires and all of them can’t get fulfilled. Of course, if the desire is strong enough, it will get fulfilled, maybe not in this life time. It could go onto another life. All that is happening in this life is within the boundaries of Karma and has Karmic allowance, that’s why it is happening. Everything does happen in its time, its own time, which we must remember. So it may not happen right away, because the whole plan was not there, the whole agenda was not there. When the original desire happened, the wish happened, which created this life, it was not there. The new ones will be added up; they are all kept as pending desires. In another time and another space, it will happen and at that time you may say I don’t want it. But you will have it.
Q: When any member of the Mohanji family asks me something like, are you going on a pilgrimage to Peru or Kailash, I immediately take it as a sign from you and I go out of my way, beyond my affordability to make it happen. Am I being naïve? How can I know when I am truly getting a sign from you?
Mohanji: Well, when anybody comes to you, of course you have a relationship, anybody asks you give me something, there is a connection. Whether it is from Mohanji family or the global family or anybody, you have to look at it objectively. What is affordable to you? What is possible for you? You are only supposed to deliver as per that, not as per what others need you to do. Many people have many expectations from you. But what you can deliver is as per your time, space and capacity. This should be very clear. And you should be able to say clearly, “Look here I heard you and I will do what I can. I cannot guarantee the entire expectation”. If that is made clear, you are free and the other person is made free. I always make sure I tell this, I don’t promise. I try to deliver more than they think but I don’t promise. When I promise, it becomes a commitment. There is an emotion connected to it too. But I listen, I understand, I deliver as per what is possible, as per what is karmically allowed or without violating the karmic structure. That is how we operate. That is how the people of path of liberation should operate. We don’t manipulate. We should not promise that which we cannot deliver. We should only deliver what we can or within our capacity and the capacity of the receiver so that everything has it’s synchronicity and harmony. It is very important.
Q: May I request Mohanji, the compassionate, honest, selfless human being to talk about Mohanji the contemporary Avatar more explicitly and elaborately?
Answer: This is too much of flattering I think… (Laughter J). I would rather say that I am you. You look at me as you are. Whatever I am has no value in fact. Each person looks at me and sees how they are. That is the only relevance in this life time. Because I could be anything and I can say I am something. That has no value because my value in your life is your only reality with me. I mean we can talk many things. All these things are how you see it. You could look at me as you said. Some look at me as a crazy person, an eccentric, as a person who should not be dealt with, a bad guy… so these thoughts are also there. World has all varieties. So why talk about who we are? What was our past, what is our lineage, it has no value. I feel that my net worth is how much I deliver to the Earth. That’s about it and that is also based upon my effective years when I am performing something, delivering to the earth. Tomorrow I don’t know what I will be able to do, how I will operate. I don’t know. I don’t keep agendas. I never bind people. I like to see you free. This is my wish and the way I operate. I want to see you perfectly free, fully charged, fully powerful with the ability to deliver a lot in the world. This is my desire and this is what I try to empower.
So I try to do what I can, I don’t know how effective I am. Maybe some will say he was effective, some may say he was not effective; some may say he was good, some may say he was not good. So this is the world. People look at you with their own eyes and they may partially understand or even hardly understand. Very rarely, they completely understand but that is life. Only one thing I would like to say, “Don’t look at me through your ears”. Your eyes have been given for you to look at me. When I say do not look at me through your ears, I mean through the words and opinions of others about me. That can be very wrong. People can give any opinion about anybody, but that is their own opinion. Not just me, understand that you should not use that to look at the world. If you look at the world through your ears, you don’t see. That is a big mistake you will be committing. Otherwise the world is fine; if you are fully charged, if you are very bright, the whole world is bright. So I am not big deal in this world, I am doing my job and after my death someone else will do the job, before me, so many others have done this job. So we all have our relevance in various degrees and I like to remain in that understanding. If I have touched your life positively, I am grateful to the existence, to the tradition. I never made any plans in the past. I will continue to shine bright, as much as I can; irrespective of the clouds, I try to give light but people accept me or reject me as they are, not as I am. So I don’t say anything about it. I really appreciate and I think it is a bit of flattering but I respect that and I bow down for that thought and those words. I like positive discussions so let us keep it positive. And one more thing, if you really love me, I would like you to be shining bright light for this world. If you are really connected to me, if you feel Mohanji, then express it to the world. Give this light to the world and let the world be brighter and lighter. We can’t do much else. We can only deliver ourselves to the world. Earlier in 2003 when the ACT foundation started somebody asked me a question, what is your investment into this foundation? This is before Mohanji Foundation started. I answered that the investment into ACT foundation is Mohanji, myself. So the best investment you can give into this world is yourself. That, you should always remember. Any money, wealth or other object has come to you at a certain point in time and it could leave you too. But if you invest yourself into this world, that will remain forever. I think that is the best investment possible and I wish you success. I wish you great success. Shine bright, brighter than the sun, brighter than a million suns and then life is worth it. You have the right to do that, you have the power to do that. Then we have something to do together. Wish you success. Thank you!
Transcribed by Kishore Mundanat
Proofread by Vidya Rajagopalan
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