A very warm welcome to all of you. It gives me immense joy to be with all of you today. Today is the third part of My conversations with Mohanji.
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Host: Please explain to us about the time. As average humans, we linearly understand time, but I guess that is not the way it is. Could you please share your insight on this?
Mohanji: Well, time is always multi-dimensional. For a woman who is going to deliver a child, every moment is like 10 hours. But for a person who is experiencing ecstasy, even an hour vanishes in no time. So the concept of time itself is relative; especially for us, existing in linear time, and that means yesterday, today, tomorrow, the day after, and so on, it has different values at each time. We experience different values for time. Time is not static. Time is variable, and time has its effect as per our situation, condition, orientation. It changes as per our mood. A situation changes the effect of time.
But there is one period of time, every day, in 24 hours, where we nullify everything –the deep sleep time. When we are in a deep sleep, all the dimensions end. We do not see anything. We do not have any idea about time; rather, time doesn’t matter. Even in our own life, what values time the most, is the mind-matter – mind, intellect, and ego because it is operating on linear time. The body is being carried by time, from birth till death. But the soul is not affected by time. In our system, there are multiple faculties, with different orientations about time. So you can’t define time in one sentence. It’s a relative term.
Then there are parallel realities. Parallel realities mean simultaneous happenings; only at the soul level, you can connect to them. At the Physical level and the mind level, we can’t connect to those realities, because this is the reality we are occupied with. We believe we are this reality.
Just now you said it’s your birthday. Birthday of what? Birthday for this incarnation, this body; so it’s a relative thing. For the soul – what birthday? It is another day in its existence as a unit. The soul is not affected by birthdays, but the body and mind are affected. The mind is happy that there is a celebration. The body has no idea that this is its birthday. It goes through it. At the time of death, that body is left behind. The body is just a cage we use for an expression or experience.
Time has multiple levels of existence. Time is the same, but what we perceive has multiplicity, dimensional differences. When you are completely occupied in silence, where sound itself is alien for you, then, time doesn’t matter. You became eternal. What you connect to becomes you. So when you deeply connect to the eternal aspect of your own existence, then time doesn’t matter. You become a time rider, like a wave rider. You’ll be riding time because you’re already eternal.
Great masters like Babaji, Sai Baba, Akkalkot Maharaj, Bhagavan Nithyananda, and numerous other masters are examples of this existence. They have become eternal because of their connection or identification with the eternal aspect in you, which is your soul; thus, they became eternal. For them, leaving a body doesn’t mean leaving any story; the story exists; leaving a body doesn’t mean anything. Inside a body or outside the body, they work alike. Consider, for example, Babaji. Babaji is a different dimension; but I’m merely giving an example, to explain that with the body or without, He is very active. Hanumanji is very active; Shirdi Sai Baba is very active. The body could not bind them. The body will not bind you if your identification is with the eternal aspect of you.
If your identification is with your body, your personality, or ego, it’s perishable. Whatever rises will also fall. The ego arises; the ego falls. Everything rises and falls each day; in 24 hours you see the rise and fall; you arise in the morning, you fall in the night. Birth and death are happening every day. Death is the total annihilation of your existence, deep sleep. When you wake up, you rise again. Rise and fall are happening; like sunrise and sunset; every day. Identify this, that this is exactly the existence. Then you start detaching from what seems to be you, to what is you. What seems to be you is what people perceive you to be, as you are or what you project to the world, as you are. What are you, in reality, is beyond your third dimension, to the level of who or what is the source that moves you. The Source is eternal. No change happens to the Source. The Source is permanent. When you connect to the permanent aspect, you become eternal.
Q: Baba, would you like to shed some light on the other dimensions that exist? Is Earth going through an ascension cycle?
Mohanji: Earth is not going through anything. We are going through. We blame it on Earth. Evolution is for the human mind, not for the Earth. Earth is a reflection of what we are. What we project is what you see. We are constantly projecting things to this world, all the time, 7.5 billion people are projecting various things to the world. They can only project what they are. You can’t project what you don’t have. So you are projecting what you are. Another person is projecting what he or she is, and the conglomeration of all these put together, we call life.
So the Earth is a platform. Earth has all that is needed to give flavours to life. It’s like a huge hypermarket. You can go, pick up things from there, and you can make your curry. And that’s what you’re doing. So the Earth is not on ascension or decline; human minds are.
When we talk about yugas, ascension means entering into Satya yuga or the golden age. The golden age is a state of eternity, where you choose the time of your death, you choose when to stay, how long to stay, and when to leave. However, karmic birth is not the same. Karmic birth is a bundle of desires; fulfilment is needed; take a body, fulfil it; and then you carry forward more desires and come back again. This is karmic birth.
When you are in the Satya yuga mode, it means that firstly, you have no desires. You have no connection with the world outside, except that you exist in the world, like an Avadhoota; you are fully in the world, but you are not of the world, or not with the world. That state; a state of detachment is the first aspect. The second aspect is the perfect awareness of who you are. You only exist, revelling in the inside story, your inside story, in your soul, with that aspect. It’s not the denial of existence. It is a full awareness of existence. It is not an intellectual or emotional feeling that you are not what you are; that is an illusion.
What I am saying is that you are fully occupied with your own soul material, and you realize this is your truth. You stay there, totally stabilized, totally still. Then you are in Satya yuga. So, Satya yuga is existing right now, for some people. All people have that ability. This is what Babaji and other great masters are doing. This is what they are giving you, or this is what they are guiding you towards but through practices. However, what happens is that people get stuck with practices. They think that these practices will help you. Practices are only like a bridge to help one go across. Each step, each practice should take you deeper and deeper inside.
More than a practice, sometimes, integration to the Master’s Consciousness helps. Imagine a master who’s well established in Himself, is with you and you connect to that Master. That is what Baba meant when he said, “I just sat and looked at my Guru. I did nothing. I looked at Him; He gave me everything.” He gave it, does not mean that the Master takes (something), and gives it to you. You become the Master because what you are connected to him, constantly, consistently, without doubts, without prejudices, without comparisons, without competition; you become that. You become the Master’s Consciousness. You become the Master.
So true masters make others masters, not disciples. No true Master is interested in disciples. What will they do? What will you do with a lot of people? Instead, true Masters makes others masters. But then, it’s the equation and the orientation and the disposition of the disciple that makes them masters. If there is a disciple who’s constantly doubting, criticizing, competing, or comparing and discussing intellectually, he will only see an object or another personality called the Master. They can’t connect. There’s no connection happening. More than the visual aspect, it is the deeper connection that brings transformation. So what is spirituality? Transformation. So when you talk about multiple levels of existence, it is all simultaneous. That means, definitely we are aware of multiple levels of existence each day-waking state, dream state, deep sleep state.
Beyond that, there are multiple possibilities, depending on the level of illusion that you hold. If you are completely deluded that you are this physical form and this personality, you have only this life. But when you start connecting to your soul deeper and deeper and deeper, then you start realizing that whatever I seem to be, is only one aspect of me. But I can have many more aspects. Then automatically your dimension changes. This is a very broad subject, very big, very deep.
First of all, the time as we see, linear time is only one aspect of time. This is number one. There is a possibility of past, present, and future together, simultaneously. Like Lord Krishna explained to Arjuna in the 11th chapter (of the Bhagavad Gita), when he showed his Vishwaroopa. “All the people who are supposed to die are already dead and gone.” He told
Arjuna, “Look here! You are only an instrument. What has to happen has happened already, in real-time.”
So Lord Krishna showed this to get the idea to the people; showed this because the people understand that past, present, and future are simultaneously existing. But we do not perceive it because we are oriented with this identification, this body, this life, these identifications, these orientations, character, and constitution so that we only see linear time: yesterday, today, tomorrow, the day after. We cannot catch the possibility of vertical time. Again linear, horizontal, and vertical times are just expressions. Don’t think that the time is standing up now. It’s not like that. They are all just to explain the possibilities, so they are all existing simultaneously.
I explained this earlier in another program – When one person asked Ramana Maharshi, “If I die now”, usually they say that it takes about 700 days before you take another birth. It’s a general statement. Don’t take it seriously, because there’s no rule like that. So he asked Ramana Maharishi, “If I die now, will I take another body in two years?”
So Ramana Maharshi said, “Possible, definitely possible. But in that life, you would be already 70 years. That means there is a parallel existence already happening!” So when you leave this body, you merge another body of yours, and you continue. In linear time, you never understand this; it is very difficult.
But that is why through meditations, through connection, contemplation of “Who am I? What am I? Why am I?” and through deep penetration or even easier through a deep connection to a very powerful Master, a better understanding is possible. By Master I mean, not those that you usually see in the world outside, those that talk. They are mostly acharyas, and they are practitioners. That’s not what I mean. I mean somebody who’s really established in Consciousness or has established himself completely within. That’s a true master. So if you are able to connect to somebody like that, then you may connect to this aspect faster.
Again, it’s a big trap. When you connect to somebody who’s already established, that person will look very ordinary; this is the problem. He will have no paraphernalia. He will know, he will not show or state, “Hey, look here! See, I’m a big master.” Once they are fully settled inside, you will not show; they lose all interest in the world outside: nothing to prove, nothing to approve. Then what happens- they’re fully themselves. When they’re fully themselves when they are not showing off, people will think, “What type of a man is he?! I’m wasting my time with him.”
People expect miracles. People expect certain paraphernalia, a certain amount of show. If you don’t get it, then you think this is not the right guy. That is why I said there’s a big trap here, trap or a problem here. You’ve got to see through all these ordinary things and look within to see the brightness inside. It takes time. You should have keen observation and consistency. Most people don’t have consistency. They come with an expectation. “A master will do a miracle tomorrow. I will be enlightened.” You can’t be enlightened when you are a bundle of desires because your desires are all to the external world. You want a job, you want money, you want relationships, family, girlfriend, boyfriend, all sorts of things, everything from the world outside. Then where do you have time for the world inside? When all your processors are focused on the world outside, you have only time to process what is visual, what we can perceive. That is why the Bhagavad Gita said, “Millions of sense objects in the world; to experience them – five senses, one mind. “Mind means – mind, intellect, and ego together; mind-matter.”
At one point in time, you can only experience one thing properly. That has only two results possible: happiness or sorrow. That is it! This is life. So millions become five, five becomes one, and one becomes two, and one you can experience. So basically it becomes one. This is our existence.
Host: Thank You very much, Baba!
Mohanji: Thank you for interviewing me. My love to all those who are listening to us or seeing us.
Host: Thank you very much!
Interviewer: Anjali Kanwar
Transcribed by Nada Rakovic
Proofread by Vidya Rajagopalan